SloaneRisette
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Plot twist: Shadow Ken is actually really cool and he wears a leather jacket and everyone loves him
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Persona Community Thread |OT4| The Golden Number
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Plot twist: Shadow Ken is actually really cool and he wears a leather jacket and everyone loves him
buddha0991
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Well that kind of falls in line with the veteran/newbie dynamic they were going for
The sad part is that the backstory stuff that relates to FF1 and Shinryu is actually fairly interesting.
I don't read these words.
Red The Hunter
Member
Awesome, though it doesn't help that I don't know a lick of Japanese. so it's all just a bunch of random symbols to me.
I can't use Chrome's translate on that, dammit.
Hi PersonaGAF.
Next week I am going on a conference trip, and in my free time I wanted to tackle my backlog. So I decided I'm finally to get around to Persona 1 PSP (eventually followed by the two Persona 2s of course as well). I don't really know anything about the game, other than it's quite different from Persona 3/4.
So basically I am asking for any advice or tips before I get started. I have played SMT3/SJ/4 if it's anything like those. Thanks.
Next week I am going on a conference trip, and in my free time I wanted to tackle my backlog. So I decided I'm finally to get around to Persona 1 PSP (eventually followed by the two Persona 2s of course as well). I don't really know anything about the game, other than it's quite different from Persona 3/4.
So basically I am asking for any advice or tips before I get started. I have played SMT3/SJ/4 if it's anything like those. Thanks.
Personae that I have found helpful in P1:
Phaleg. Gozu Tennou. Illuyanka. The first learns Mediarama and the latter two learn Megidola. Rockin' those three most of the game now.
hipsterpants
Member
Yea, but by the end of P4 they should have enough confidence in themselves to recognize that something like that is fake. Or at least not immediately think that its their fault that the fighting is happening in the first place.
I guess the fact that their own Persona's aren't "evolved" could call into question the canonicity of their S. Links (and the "resolve" they gained from them). That seems like a really strange way to do things though since those are like 80% of the characters' development.
buddha0991
Member
But they also mention things that happen at the end of slinks, like
Chie wanting to be a cop.
Naoto's pretty levelheaded about it, at least.
hipsterpants
Member
I was trying to come up with a comparison to a P3 character to illustrate my point about how the cast of P4 should have grown enough to conquer those issues (ie. I'm pretty sure Junpei would agree if his Shadow called him out on his problems post P3) and noticed that. I agree that my suggestion doesn't really work.
It's probably just poor writing, since it felt like they had no idea what to do with Yosuke, Chie, or Yukiko in the first place.
Cool. Thanks Corvo.
This is all you need to know:
I understand this.
you're a goddamn liar
The only context on "how they have chosen to live their lives given the events of P3" comes from Persona 4 Arena. Persona 3's ending as I see it is about
learning to move on and finding reasons to do so, not letting death haunt you, enjoying life while you can.
the deaths of Miki and Shinji, essentially penance for being too weak to protect them
Likewise, Mitsuru's bit in Persona 3 was wanting to, in a sense,
atone for the sins of her grandfather by erasing his horrible mistake (Tartarus and the shadows). Tartarus and the Dark Hour are gone, and we have no reason to believe the Kirijo Group's mad science experiments had anything to do with the events of Persona 4, so why do the Shadow Operatives exist? Are there still Shadows around? If so, what did they even accomplish by eliminating Tartarus and the Dark Hour? Why is it Mitsuru's responsibility to deal with them? It seemed like all this stuff was over and done with at the end of Persona 3 and now it isn't. That's why it sometimes feels like P3 never happened at all.
That doesn't change the fact that I think a lot of the writing isn't very good. Like, just the general quality (or lack thereof) of the prose (particularly in the interior monologues) bugs me, and there's an awful lot of it to read considering how little I care. A random example culled from Chie's story: "Everyone stands up excitedly, ready to show that we're all prepared." That sentence is just ugly. Try reading it out loud! That's just me, though.
They are assumptions, yes. But are you saying that those aren't at least suggested or implied possibilities within Elizabeth's story mode? If they aren't, what's the point of that entire subplot about
rescuing Makoto and receiving the Fool Arcana/beginning her Fool's Journey
You can be academically smart and still be a bit of an airhead. Yukiko sure seems that way sometimes. Remember that time "Strange Student" (you know who) was getting all creepy on her and all the kids started talking about how impossible the Amagi Challenge is and it's completely obvious to everyone in a thirty foot radius that he's asking Yukiko out on a date, and Chie still has to straight-up inform her that's what just happened?
As for Kanji, that's my point: If the entire story mode is going to be impossible for me to take seriously, then I'm not going to get too bothered about an individual story that refuses to take even itself seriously. It just means we're on the same page. In a perfect world we'd get a rad Kanji Story Mode that does absolute justice to his character and contributes to it meaningfully but a majority of the cast don't get that much, so it seems silly to expect it. It sucks to see Kanji reduced to a punchline, but at least if Kanji's story mode is going to be a poor reflection of Kanji as we know him, they're going to try to elicit some laughs. All of the other stories are poor reflections of their characters seemingly just for the fuck of it. At least as I see it.
I don't know that it's necessarily a matter of "accepting" glaring inconsistencies in characterization. Kanji's story is bad, too. They're all varying degrees of bad. My original post was a tiny-bit-facetious and mostly just trying to sound all clever by turning the phrase that I did-- the whole story mode is a joke anyways so at least one of them tries to be funny etc etc-- but I didn't mean to suggest I "accept" Kanji's story mode. I just don't think it stands out as being particularly bad. Every story is all part of a great big sea of mediocrity, each with their own glaring flaws. Singling Kanji's out as some sort of monumental achievement in badness upsells the rest of the package way too much for me, and it didn't seem like anybody else was gonna say it!
Space☆Dandy's quality? Debatable.
Space☆Dandy surfing in space? It's the stuff of dreams, baby.
♪
Holy shit, haha!
I agree with most of what you say. I didn't like Arena's story mode at all. To me, it felt shallow and bloated, and closer to fan fiction than a Persona 4 sequel (which is how it was advertised).
On the other hand, I do really like that it is entirely inconsequential in the scheme of things, because it means that fans can choose to ignore it if they are so inclined.
Kinda the same with KLK for me. Maybe loving TTGL kinda messed with my expectations.
I don't mind P4A's plot so far in some ways, but one thing I do find kinda not really meshing is that everybody's internal voice sounds the same for some reason. Like, I dunno. So far I've just done Yu, Yukiko, Yosuke, Chie and Kanji and the only one who hasn't had pretty much the exact same thought patterns as the rest of the gang is Kanji, and that's because Kanji smoked a TON of weed and spent the first half of the P-1 Grand Prix completely stoned.
I thought the internal monologues were just a complete waste of time that were there to fill some space anyway. Removing them (or significantly cutting them down) would have actually improved the story mode somewhat, I feel.
I thought the internal monologue worked for Yu, since he's supposed to be a somewhat quiet, thinkin' kinda guy or whatever, but for everyone else I agree. A lot of story mode has felt like bloat so far, especially since the story modes, rather than provide a unique look of "what was Chie doing while Yu was solving this case?" have instead sort of deteriorated into "Enjoy seeing what the case would be like if Chie solved it instead!"
On the other hand, it's all so inoffensive that I don't mind it terribly, either. By the end of the game I expect I'll be fully lost, though. Hopefully at least Elizabeth mode's monologues will be entertaining.
The humor just felt like LCD crap to me. I stuck with it for about five episodes, but I was busy one weekend and missed one and never looked back.
It put a bad taste in my mouth to start with, with that T&A bullshit in the first episode.
I like KLK a lot, but I'm just going to wait for them to dub it, 'cause I've come to the realization it just moves way too fast for me to watch it with subs. And I'm looking forward to that. If they follow the subs Aniplex put in themselves, they already have a fantastic script, from what I've seen.
I tried TTGL again recently. Goddamn that show is obnoxious. Gonna try to finish it after this Fate binge though.
I genuinely thought the individual story modes (with the exception of Kanji and Yukiko) were fairly decent for the most part.
To each his own, I suppose.
buddha0991
Member
This is pretty much what I meant a few posts back. On release I was really angry about how it was, but now I'm fine with it. Like you say, it's inoffensive.
Last four eps of Dandy was really, really good, you should check on that especially eps 13.
I think a lot of people just expect too much from what is ultimately a fighting game first and foremost.
People Atlus does the story and supervises the project and let their expectations get out of hand. They're not trying to deliver a new story that's as thematic and moving and compelling as P4 (or P3), they're just making the game is faithful.
I've been telling you this for ages. You used to be soooooo butthurt.
buddha0991
Member
Actually she totally wants a cape.
I do like the story, but I guess people were really expecting P4-2 from this I guess.
Dandy gets a lot better after... I dunno, episode 6 or so.
It's definitely an animation priority kinda show though
That's not how I see it. The end of Persona 3 was also about
a nascent desire from the P3 team to restore hope in humanity, so as to lift the burden P3MC carries by blocking Erebus.
Huh? Of course there are still Shadows in the world at the end of P3. What are the main enemies in Persona 4? The P3 world isn't happening in a bubble; their task might have been complete, but the Persona world extends beyond that. Did you not play Mitsuru's story mode in P4A, where the whole aspect of the Shadow Ops' origin is touched upon? What do you think the conflict in P3 entailed?
The whole ending was about how as long as humans have hopelessness, Shadows will continue to exist and the risk of Nyx bringing about the end of the world is present. Thus, P3MC's sacrifice.
It's Mitsuru's responsibility because she's the head of the Kirijo Group and, as a result, the Shadow Operatives.
Labrys and Sho are products of the Kirijo Group, tying into her desire of wiping away the sins of her family.
Or the possibilities you're thinking of aren't what that scene is actually setting up? Again, you're basing this off of assumptions of where you think the scene might be building towards, but that might not be where they plan to take it. I don't disagree that the P4A story is unfocused because it is—very much so—but this isn't an example of it. It is a cliffhanger. They are used to set up future story development, and that is all. It's useless to say that it's unfocused or not on that point when we don't even know what the cliffhanger is actually leading towards.
What the cliffhanger entails could be very far off from what you typed.
Red The Hunter
Member
Confirmation from ASW about patch update
There is some guessing as to what it's saying I'm no expert on Japanese so it's up to your own interpretation on the new mode thing.
I change around some things to make it a bit more clear since there was butchering in the translation when using Google Translator.
There is some guessing as to what it's saying I'm no expert on Japanese so it's up to your own interpretation on the new mode thing.
Full list of balance changes: http://pastebin.com/eb7aQRds
I wonder if ver. 1.1 will also come with the new characters. We know there's at least one thing they haven't disclosed, which is what that new mode will be.
I wonder if ver. 1.1 will also come with the new characters. We know there's at least one thing they haven't disclosed, which is what that new mode will be.
Red The Hunter
Member
The only story modes I really found interesting were Elizabeth's, Naoto's, and Mitsuru's. Naoto's and Mitsuru's cool because they logically tied two casts together, and Elizabeth's awesome because she was just stormrolling shit. It's all kind of fan-fictiony though.
I think it just comes down to people taking it too seriously. Getting too caught up in what's canon, what isn't, yadayadayada.
David Hayter tweeted maybe an hour ago to "remember it's all in good fun". Boy, are those words to live by.
It's a beautiful show, for sure. I make no bones about that aspect.
But weren't you just complaining about Space Dandy because of its absurdity?
buddha0991
Member
But I enjoy discussing canon ;_;
Looks like Yu mostly got off scot free, outside of the Issen Shiden nerfs. It's for the best, honestly (though Issen Shiden A is still absurdly fast...)
I'm going to miss using 2C in blockstrings...
EDIT:
-The Labrys axe level buff is much appreciated
-BOO at Chie's 5A blockstun buff
No, Space Dandy is unfunny, moronic, and pandering.
I like absurdity, but when it's well done. Space Dandy isn't that.
To be honest, who doesn't want that cape? I want that cape. See the torn ends? Those got ripped when he was participating in the UFC against a cyborg crocodile made entirely out of raptor teeth.
