This is AMAZING. @_@
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Persona Community Thread |OT4| The Golden Number
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This is AMAZING. @_@
I did it to confuse you.
I was thinking, it would be cool if Naoto's hair in P4D was like halfway between PxD and P4G's epilogue.
Might as well post my picture.
Lollipop Dave
Member
PxDN is one year after the epilogue. Would be nice to see her with longer hair in the P4D.
I meant sequel in the strict sense and not in terms of narrative. A P4A3 with P5 characters 2-3 years down the line, I suppose, wouldn't be too surprising, but given the nature of a fighting game and the community the game's already engendered, as well as the assets they've already created for P4A and P4A2, I heavily doubt they'd throw away all of the characters, music and stages and start from scratch.
Noooooope. PxD is one year after the end of P4. The epilogue is like six months after P4. P4D is in between the two.
buddha0991
Member
This pic is killer, as is DDS.
I wonder what Hashino means when he says that Persona 5 will be "more thematically approachable"?
I felt the themes in P4/P3 were pretty blatant, but does he mean that this will be less grim? He does mention that the players are out to directly destroy a lot of the factors that make people apathetic to the world around them.
I'm pretty excited, it sounds like they're pretty sold on their own themes.
I also thought it was interesting that he said that the red tone brought up some difficulties in designing menus due to how intense red is.
I felt the themes in P4/P3 were pretty blatant, but does he mean that this will be less grim? He does mention that the players are out to directly destroy a lot of the factors that make people apathetic to the world around them.
I'm pretty excited, it sounds like they're pretty sold on their own themes.
I also thought it was interesting that he said that the red tone brought up some difficulties in designing menus due to how intense red is.
Sounds like he wants a theme that can resonate with a lot of players, rather then something just deep for the sake of being deep. So more along the lines of P3 and P4 and less like Xenogears/mainline SMT.
Lollipop Dave
Member
Meh, that's what I meant...
Wiki says P4D takes place half a year after the murders were solved. I always thought it was a bit more than that. Though I can't find a source for it anywhere.
I thought he specifically said that the themes will be less blatant/heavy-handed this time around?
Well, the translated quote is literally:
(thanks Pepsiman)
He's referring to the themes as being more approachable in relation to previous Persona titles. I just don't know what approachable means. Either way, I really love the stuff he's talking about, it sounds right up my alley, thematically. Really resonates.
SloaneRisette
Member
Probably has to do with it not feeling/being forced but more natural.
Yeah, I was reading it again to check, and what I should have said is that he'll keep the concept of the themes simple for P5 like he did with P3 and P4.
For the "more thematically approachable" part, I'd think it's kind of what Sophia said and that he'd want to tackle themes that possibly more people can relate to than in the past.
I imagine "death" and "reaching out to the truth", while universal concepts, can possibly be something people can't immediately relate to in their everyday lives.
And yeah, the quote I originally posted makes me think this might be the Persona game I can relate to the most. The simple image of the school chairs and the ball and chains already resonates with me:
That one is AWESOME!!!!
animaSerah
Member
That's true. Then again, according to Hashino, the core theme for P3 and P4 was "that by banding together and forming a community with other people, you can get a sort of freedom that you couldn't just by being completely on your own."
Obviously, that ties in to the whole Social Link thing. If P5 won't be as much about how banding together as a group makes one stronger than going at things alone, I wonder how the party interaction will be and if the Social Links will have a different dynamic as a whole.
Hiding secrets from everyone and learning to open up to people are pretty resonant themes, I feel. Particularly in Japan where there's words and concepts devoted to society repressing secrets and blemishes. "Memento Mori" is the more surprising one. P3 was about learning to deal with death and finding a reason to live.
Instead of "maxing" a social link, you'll be "breaking the chains" that make people feel immobilized. For every chain broken, you can fuse new personas. Gameplay wise it's the same, but thematically it's different.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
I like this idea, very much in fact. Maybe the S.link is "chain strangling the individual." Every level you earn is one step closer to the destruction of said chain. Ultimately, you free the person from whatever is immobilizing them, or consuming their life in a negative manner.
Example:
Maybe you meet someone who is addicted to drugs. Slowly but surely, P5MC talks things out with said druggy, encouraging him to quit because it's ruining his life. Over the course of the S.link you see him improving. Finally at max level the "chain breaks" and he is free from his addiction. You make an awesome new friend, can now fuse the ultimate persona, and learned a valuable lesson. Winners Don't Use Drugs.
As you said, gameplay wise, still the same. Thematically fits with the whole "You are slave, Want Emancipation?" concept.
I think the thing that really stands out to me from the bits of the interview I've read is that Hashino seems really concerned with speaking to and inspiring the player, as much as the characters. Just think that's interesting (and awesome), not many games really try to do that.
This is a really cool idea, I could see them doing it.
Actually, the way Hashino talks about chains, it sounds like they're self-inflicted. It's less "these external factors are holding me back" and more "I don't want to try to be active in the world around me"
I could be misinterpreting that though. Either way, it's a neat theme and it sounds like they're really passionate about it. As was said before, it's fun to hear that he want to "speak to the player" and not just the characters in the game. It's what I loved about the other games they've made.
I could be misinterpreting that though. Either way, it's a neat theme and it sounds like they're really passionate about it. As was said before, it's fun to hear that he want to "speak to the player" and not just the characters in the game. It's what I loved about the other games they've made.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Oh definitely, I really hope the game fulfills his vision. It would be awesome having a video game that inspires and speaks to the player as well as the characters. I want it to have Gurren Lagann levels of inspiration where (TTGL spoilers)
Simon breaking out of his depression, caused by Kamina's death, the goes on to say "Who the hell do you think I am!?" and saves Nia. Yeah! That would be badass.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Everything would be better if it were more like Gurren Lagann.
Additional non-P5 interview stand-outs:
-I like how Hashino says that they intended Arena to be a game based in Soejima's art, and they want Dancing to be a game based in Meguro's music. I'd never really thought about Arena like that, but it does make Dancing make more sense.
-Hasino seems surprisingly serious about Dancing's plot and describes it as "a game about show business as Rise experiences it".
-It's a long quote, but he talked a bit more at the end about he (and SMT as a whole) strives to make games that are intellectually or emotionally stimulating in addition to just being pure entertainment. Really great to see these kinds of opinions from a developer.
-He says that it's not just games the Persona team is working to bring to fans this year.
Okay I'm hyped now! I'm ready! BRING IT ON!
-I like how Hashino says that they intended Arena to be a game based in Soejima's art, and they want Dancing to be a game based in Meguro's music. I'd never really thought about Arena like that, but it does make Dancing make more sense.
-Hasino seems surprisingly serious about Dancing's plot and describes it as "a game about show business as Rise experiences it".
-It's a long quote, but he talked a bit more at the end about he (and SMT as a whole) strives to make games that are intellectually or emotionally stimulating in addition to just being pure entertainment. Really great to see these kinds of opinions from a developer.
-He says that it's not just games the Persona team is working to bring to fans this year.
Okay I'm hyped now! I'm ready! BRING IT ON!
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Fantastic, I never thought of the symbolism behind the color "red," very interesting. Stop doing the things that are chaining you down. Stop doing the things that harm you, be it physically or mentally. Stop being a loner all day and go out, make friends. Yeah I can totally see why they chose "red" based on the information we have.
Damn right, I hope the main characters weapon is a drill.
HANDS OFF MY BELOVED LITTLE MARA KIIIIICK
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Lol, that's right. The final battle will also happen in
Space
Galaxies
It's just as on topic as when I was telling everyone to watch F/Z on the last page.
I like F/Z a little more, but Madoka's great, and it (along with Baccano!) played a big part in getting me back into anime last year.My man. Watched it some weeks ago, it was excellent.
I agree Fate/Zero is a little better though.
Also, I was watching old fights on UFC.tv last night and saw this:
Atlus used to be so hardcore that they sponsored the MMA promotions. Now Look at them, stooping to dancing games. #savemegaten
Fate/Zero is one of my favorites, and an incredible show too. Only thing that drag it down, is ironically... The Fate franchise. (IE: first episode is a bunch of boring exposition explaining the rules of the universe)
Like I said though, still need to see the last two Eps of Madoka before I'll say it's better.
Atlus used to be so hardcore that they sponsored the MMA promotions. Now Look at them, stooping to dancing games. #savemegaten
It's just as on topic as when I was telling everyone to watch F/Z on the last page.
Fate/Zero is one of my favorites, and an incredible show too. Only thing that drag it down, is ironically... The Fate franchise. (IE: first episode is a bunch of boring exposition explaining the rules of the universe)
Like I said though, still need to see the last two Eps of Madoka before I'll say it's better.
SloaneRisette
Member
#savemegaten because MegaTEN is a bigger number than Persona 5
Ugh, don't remind me about Fate.
The ultimate Urobuchi twist of F/Z is that nothing else in the franchise is nearly as good.The ending of Madoka is really great, so I don't think you'll be disappointed.
When are we getting our marriage of DDS and Persona?
P3 Fes and P2 EP is now on sale on the US PS store for those who had been waiting (me).
Madoka really is great but I would also put Fate/Zero above it, and not only for it's superior animation (holy shit those battles).
But also because Kiritsugu might be one of my favourite protagonists ever.
Madoka really is great but I would also put Fate/Zero above it, and not only for it's superior animation (holy shit those battles).
But also because Kiritsugu might be one of my favourite protagonists ever.
Off-topic, but if you liked Fate/Zero and Madoka Magica, you should look into Kamen Rider Gaim. It's a live action TV Show, but the storywriter is the same writer as the former two shows; Gen Urobuchi.
I don't know why, but your comment makes me want another Devil Summoner game.
I don't know why, but your comment makes me want another Devil Summoner game.
Oh yeah, I've been meaning to check this out. Heard good things.
snow in jamaica
Member
more like devil summoner and persona. a union of dr. victor and assistant igor.
It's a much needed breath of fresh air after the disappointing Kamen Rider Wizard, and while it isn't as dark as his other works, it is as much an Urobuchi show as it is a Kamen Rider show.
I dunno if putting a madman with Igor would work out so well.... >_>;
Green Mamba
Member
Is it possible to save in Persona 3 at places other than the dorm and Tartarus?
animaSerah
Member
Which version are you playing? In P3P you can save at your desk in the classroom at Gekkoukan.
Green Mamba
Member
FES.
animaSerah
Member
Then yeah, just the dorm and Tartarus lobby.
The final two episodes are some of the best. Madoka is a great anime.
something something Persona
Is it approachable for someone who hasn't watched any previous Kamen Rider stuff?
How about them Personas amiright?
Yes. It's standalone. No need to have watched any previous ones.
Being able to save at the desk is a blessing. Before you had to plan out ahead of time or you'd end up wasting time. >_>;