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Persona Community Thread |OT5| Pull up a chair! [NO PQ OR P4U SPOILERS!]
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Reanimatoin
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People saying that Ultimax will connect to P4DAN somehow. Would hopefully make sense as to why Rise is fighting in the future if she can fight now.
I guess she has to start somewhere.
(P3 Late Game Spoilers)
"Huh, now how did we get in this situation twice?"
LegionAgent
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That part about the fapping I never knew, guess you learn something new everyday
Red The Hunter
Member
Oooo, the ad looks awesome.
It's referring to the "additional scenario" that will be coming with first-print runs of game, though what this "additional scenario is anyone's guess.
Could even be Rise's for all we know.
buddha0991
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Who cares? Are you really buying P4DAN for the plot?
You're really concerned about that?
I thought you'd already written these games off, narratively.
SpacePirate Ridley
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Just saw the scans. Everything looks great! Rise looks amazing in the game. It's this the first time we see Inoue as a hq image?
RedGraveXIII
Neo Member
It's because everyone knows that character reveals are the hypest shit lol.
Reeeeeeeaaally looking forward to seeing how Ken looks.
I hope he has arguments with Naoto over who's shorter, that would just be amazing.
Reanimatoin
Member
What do you mean? That game is going to be full of plot.
I'm sure someone will post a gif of what I mean.
Where is this crowd?
And that comparison doesn't work, because Yukiko fights in Persona 4 and Rise does not. Precedent; it's that simple.
LelouchViBritannia
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Yukiko has fire.
Reanimatoin
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Is it ever explicitly said that she *can't* fight? I always assumed that she just took on the helper role as it suited her.
Yes, small but it's there.
Yes, but Yukiko didn't exactly have a martial arts background in P4, she just knew how to fight somehow(like most of them). Just seems weird.
RedGraveXIII
Neo Member
In my mind Rise's fighting style will be visually similar to Platinum's from BB.
I'd just rather it was stand alone, is all.
If it has a story mode, I'll play through it, and if it references Ultimax to a large degree then it will be most likely referencing something I haven't played. And I'd just rather it was a fresh start.
I haven't seen anyone complain about this post-reveal. All I've seen is people complain about these supposed complainers.
Yukiko has a Persona that can cast powerful flames. In P4, I don't think it was common for players to simply attack with Yukiko and not use her skills, because that's where her power lies. If you look at her fighting style in P4A, it's based on interpretive dance, which was done on purpose because, yeah, she doesn't have any martial art techniques.
Not to mention that gaining a Persona naturally enhances an individual's combat aptitude, explained in EP's Tatsuya scenario.
Shame Ryotaro Dojima with Nanako as his Persona didn't make it onto the cast of playable characters this time around.. Woulda been glorious.
Several people I follow on twitter voiced this concern recently, thought it was weird.
Maybe they can apply something similar with Rise then, she can used her mad idol skills to shoulder roll her way to victory.
Several people I follow on twitter voiced this concern recently, thought it was weird.
Maybe they can apply something similar with Rise then, she can used her mad idol skills to shoulder roll her way to victory.
Seen the scans. That Rise is Dantis-tier.
They're that, but more the "It doesn't make sense!" crowd. I mean, shit, none of it makes sense if we're keeping it real.
They're going to give her a move set. She will fight. This is simple math.
They're that, but more the "It doesn't make sense!" crowd. I mean, shit, none of it makes sense if we're keeping it real.
They're going to give her a move set. She will fight. This is simple math.
I think the comparison DOES work though. Yukiko doesn't seem like the kind of person who would know how to fight pre-Persona, then she gets rescued by the IT and all of a sudden can kick ass with them. I mean, I know she gains a persona, but it doesn't really make sense that she all of a sudden can fight in Persona 4. Rise randomly being able to fight (I'm sure there will be SOME story explanation) isn't much more of a stretch.
Oh that's neat, I didn't know about that
Everyone can all of a sudden fight in P4. That's the thing.
No, the comparison DOESN'T work. I'm not arguing that it doesn't make sense for Rise to be able to fight in P4U2. I'm saying that Yukiko fought in P4, but Rise did not fight in P4. That is an undeniable fact, which is why the comparison between them as playable characters in Arena does not work.
buddha0991
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I will let it be known to the general public now, aside from my avatar bet with PK, I am also running one with Levito.
If I lose, I will have to use the dreaded
If I win, Levito is gonna get his david cage rage on.
If I lose, I will have to use the dreaded
for two days after PK torments me with his avatar choice.
If I win, Levito is gonna get his david cage rage on.
I just realised that the first print DLC is probably an attempt to solve their reverse importation problem. Or at least, I bet that is a largely contributing factor.
Huh?
Huh?
P4A2
The DLC could be the villains story mode since they apparently don't have one unless sho and SHO count as P4 characters.
buddha0991
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well a long standing one with PK, but then this random one with Levito just sort of happened real quick like on Twitter a few hours ago lol
This is for if Adachi will be playable or not
Yeah. In Persona 3, they at least made the effort to have it make sense for each of the cast(barring one or two exceptions). I mean, Yukari's in archery club, Junpei swings the damn thing like a bat, Akihiko boxes, Ken's self-trained since you know what, Makoto can be in Kendo club, etc.
In Persona 4, you have Chie who's self-taught, Naoto who has a gun license, and Kanji is a street fighter. Just because Rise suddenly joins the crowd of the others(how the hell does Yukiko even know how to use fans as a weapon), doesn't mean it's something to complain about, as it's been that way all along.
Poetic.Injustice
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No deep explanation required for why Rise fights I think.
An avatar bet among honourable folk. Let it be known.
Again, fair enough. I just don't think it's a massive stretch, Rise didn't fight in P4 but that doesn't mean she *can't* fight, who's to say her Persona can't strengthen her as well? It's fantasy, most of what's in the games can't be explained logically.
Didn't know about the Tatsuya thing, that's cool.
Again, fair enough. I just don't think it's a massive stretch, Rise didn't fight in P4 but that doesn't mean she *can't* fight, who's to say her Persona can't strengthen her as well? It's fantasy, most of what's in the games can't be explained logically.
Didn't know about the Tatsuya thing, that's cool.
Spectrasonic
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I know I'm out of the loop, but what's this PSC? Multiple people said it'll reveal Ken. Is that what the official Japanese P4U website is referencing?
I will let it be known to the general public now, aside from my avatar bet with PK, I am also running one with Levito.
If I lose, I will have to use the dreaded
for two days after PK torments me with his avatar choice.
If I win, Levito is gonna get his david cage rage on.
Would be nice to know what the bet is.
EDIT: nvm.
Obviously it's not the EXACT SAME situation, no one is arguing that, but you don't see the similarities? How the precedent is set? Inorigo is right, almost all of the characters don't know how to fight, gain a persona, then can fight. We also see Persona's evolve and gain new abilities. It's not outlandish that Rise's would gain the ability to fight depending on the circumstances. I think that's what Levito was saying, and that is what I'm saying.
It's not "HEY GUYS YUKIKO CAN FIGHT SO RISE CAN TOO", it's "Hey, it's not that different from when this happened in a previous game"
Love Deterrence
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It's perfect! Rise is best girl. <3
Green Mamba
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I feel Rise's Persona's new form seems to miss the entire point of a playable Rise. Would have been interesting to see her fight with her actual Persona, but to invent a new one on top of already having to invent an entire moveset, eh, I don't know. Might as well just make a new character. Feels like a wasted opportunity.
buddha0991
Member
There will be no backing out unlike some OTHER avatar bets made in the past
only honor.
There will be no backing out unlike some OTHER avatar bets made in the past
only honor.
I'm cheering for you.
Spectrasonic
Member
I disagree, since people wanted playable Rise, not playable P4-form Himiko.
Okay? Did you actually read the first comment I replied to? It was in the context of people saying that "it doesn't make sense", which I tied into the fact that Yukiko actually fights in P4 and Rise does not, thus Yukiko would be a playable character in P4A with basis, especially with plenty of skills and animations to use as a reference while Rise had none and they essentially had to start from scratch, with the sole concepts of music and analysis to use as fundamental points.
Like I said, I'm not arguing that Rise as a fighter doesn't make sense. That is not my stance here, so I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve by telling me the above.
Additionally, I'm going to cite Tatsuya's EP scenario again for reasons as to why Persona users are able to fight.
I still think it's going to be completely insubstantial like that BB Beach scene scebario, Myc mentioned, haha.
And I was just trying to rib you about your art.
Seriousky speaking though you imitate Soejima well enough and you mostly do sketches. Rise's new promo art looks like that. I'd expect something cleaner for a promotional piece.Yeah. In Persona 3, they at least made the effort to have it make sense for each of the cast(barring one or two exceptions). I mean, Yukari's in archery club, Junpei swings the damn thing like a bat, Akihiko boxes, Ken's self-trained since you know what, Makoto can be in Kendo club, etc.
In Persona 4, you have Chie who's self-taught, Naoto who has a gun license, and Kanji is a street fighter. Just because Rise suddenly joins the crowd of the others(how the hell does Yukiko even know how to use fans as a weapon), doesn't mean it's something to complain about, as it's been that way all along.
Yeah.
I think Flux' point about EP is interesting. Getting a Persona raises one's combat aptitude - that doesn't mean you automatically learn how to fight. I can throw a punch, right? I'm still no boxer.
Obviously P4 doesn't hold to this logic and never did. So...
Yep. But here we are! *shrug*
Jeez, just forget the whole who's a capable fighter thing, sorry I bought it up.
You don't want playable Adachi?
Ready:
You don't want playable Adachi?
Ready:
SloaneRisette
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You sure know I am
TurnipFritters
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It says that Dancing All Night is a rhythm game coming out for the Vita, it is also a spin-off of Persona 4 about Rise and that there's no doubt that the stories are related.
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