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Persona Community Thread |OT5| Pull up a chair! [NO PQ OR P4U SPOILERS!]
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Spectrasonic
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I still think it's crummy to charge the full $60 when the majority of the game is just reused material from the prequel.
LelouchViBritannia
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in all fairness this is ASW we're talking about. They normally have DLC for their games before they begin development. 
On the other hand, Arena had no character DLC, so it may be the same for Ultimax.
If this is the last entry in the persona fighting series, i think they should just go all out. Add
etc.They dont have to be in the story, just include them into the versus mode.
On the other hand, Arena had no character DLC, so it may be the same for Ultimax.
If this is the last entry in the persona fighting series, i think they should just go all out. Add
Makoto, Adachi, FMC, Theo, Margaret, Fuuka, the odd p1/p2 character,
Lollipop Dave
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in all fairness this is ASW we're talking about. They normally have DLC for their games before they begin development.
On the other hand, Arena had no character DLC, so it may be the same for Ultimax.
You should probably spoiler tag those names [see previous page]
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p.s I agree, some all out silliness would be much appreciated.
LelouchViBritannia
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Done
Reanimatoin
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Ultimax will have; 6 completely new characters,
Shadow types for most of the cast,
New stages,
New music,
New movesets,
Character balances,
New story/stories which will be voiced with new dialogue (I assume some new dialogue for fights as well),
New game type (Golden Arena),
Changes to old game types (Score attack and Challenge mode).
I'm probably missing some stuff but that's what I recall off the top of my head.
All that plus the majority of the content from Arena (Arcade mode, Practice mode, Versus mode, Network mode, Old music, Old stages etc etc), and I think you have a fairly good justification for a full price tag.
Especially if you compare it to other games where all they include is a roster update and still put full price on it year in year out.
To be quite honest, I highly doubt this will be the last one. Maybe the last one for a couple years but not the last one entirely. Especially since they want to make Persona a staple in the fighting game genre. I can see maybe 2 or 3 years after P5 releases, a new game encompassing P3, P4 and P5 characters.
Shadow types for most of the cast,
New stages,
New music,
New movesets,
Character balances,
New story/stories which will be voiced with new dialogue (I assume some new dialogue for fights as well),
New game type (Golden Arena),
Changes to old game types (Score attack and Challenge mode).
I'm probably missing some stuff but that's what I recall off the top of my head.
All that plus the majority of the content from Arena (Arcade mode, Practice mode, Versus mode, Network mode, Old music, Old stages etc etc), and I think you have a fairly good justification for a full price tag.
Especially if you compare it to other games where all they include is a roster update and still put full price on it year in year out.
To be quite honest, I highly doubt this will be the last one. Maybe the last one for a couple years but not the last one entirely. Especially since they want to make Persona a staple in the fighting game genre. I can see maybe 2 or 3 years after P5 releases, a new game encompassing P3, P4 and P5 characters.
Aside from the story mode and the Shadow characters, this is all completely standard for a fighting game update, most of which charge $40.
I think that if people are okay paying that, then it's fine, but personally I think it's kinda pricey.
LelouchViBritannia
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Yep, the game should definitely not be $60. I can see that price dropping very quickly 2-4 weeks after its release
I think Story Mode really justifies it. It's a whole new Persona story that's gonna be several hours, so it's not that crazy for it to cost more.
Arena 1 dropped real fast.
I bet Ultimax drops faster.
I think it depends how interested you are in the story mode. The first game had like a fifteen hour story mode, but a huge chunk of that was unspoken internal monologues, and the rest was two portraits talking at each other.
To a large extent it's basically a drama CD.
Reanimatoin
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I suppose to each their own, I can (in my head) justify buying Ultimax full price but I cant justify buying another version of, lets say, SF4.
Completely agree with this, Arena had so many hours of story content, granted it was a jumbled mess which prolonged the time, but if Ultimax has 10-15 hours of story then that warrants the price for me.
If it's anything like the first one's story mode, as in a visual novel with so much reading involved they might as well just released a companion book, then no I don't think that is worth another 60 dollars
LelouchViBritannia
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I just hope story mode isn't two portraits talking back and fourth to one another.
Would be nice if they could incorporate some sort of unique gameplay mechanic, like free roaming around the city (p3p style). Also cut the internal dialog down by 90%
Would be nice if they could incorporate some sort of unique gameplay mechanic, like free roaming around the city (p3p style). Also cut the internal dialog down by 90%
There is a zero percent chance of this.
The presentation of the story mode will be identical.
Reanimatoin
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Maybe in P4DAN though, since we've seen full character models eh?
To be honest the price of Ultimax isnt going to affect me anyway since I live in the UK and we will never get it here.
Kappa
Yep, just without all the nonsense repeating scenes we had to deal with like in Arena, which already is a marked improvement.
And I'm going to stop talking about the game's price, because after just buying the P3 movie poster and remembering I have at least $100 worth of PQ stuff I'm importing next month, I'm in no place to talk about it.
Spectrasonic
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That's all good, but we're getting less new content in P4U then we got in P4A. Not to mention that all the most costly and time-consuming aspects (engine and netcode) are already completed.
This is my first fighting game, so maybe I'm not used to it, but I can't imagine this amount of asset reuse would be acceptable in any other genre's sequel. (besides sports)
Reanimatoin
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I'm probably misunderstanding you but of course P4U has less new content, P4A was a brand new game, everything was new. Plus I doubt the netcode is done yet since they still cant answer about region locking, but thats just a guess.
Spectrasonic
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Naw, you're understanding me. Let's take a series like Uncharted. Uncharted 2 had way more new material than the first one. Totally redone textures, music, etc. No where near the amount of recycled content.
With the fifth game looming on the horizon and no sign of a PSN release in the EU region, I borrowed a friend's copy of Persona 4 and have finally played through it on the PCSX2 emulator after learning it was finally stable enough to do a run-through with.
Damned good game, despite a few niggles (Repetitive nature of the dungeons literally sent me to sleep on some sessions, really steep learning curve in Yukiko's Castle and no explanation given as to which branch of Personas suits particular playstyles without trial and error unlocking the abilities) and I've got Persona 4 Arena ready to go on my PS3 too.
I take it those few sentences on Wikipedia are all we know about Persona 5 so far?
Damned good game, despite a few niggles (Repetitive nature of the dungeons literally sent me to sleep on some sessions, really steep learning curve in Yukiko's Castle and no explanation given as to which branch of Personas suits particular playstyles without trial and error unlocking the abilities) and I've got Persona 4 Arena ready to go on my PS3 too.
I take it those few sentences on Wikipedia are all we know about Persona 5 so far?
We know next to nothing about P5, really.
I'm really looking forward to seeing more Dancing All Night. So many questions!
Lollipop Dave
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What sort of questions?
Spectrasonic
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Oh my god, I'm adding that word to my vocabulary STAT.
Reanimatoin
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Ahh I get ya now, I suppose the main difference is that Atlus has nowhere near the resources, staff or money to be completely re-doing everything. I tend to forget myself that the Persona staff is a small division of a relatively small company to begin with.
Lets think about it like this, it took them 6 years to make a new game between P4 and P5. I would not like to be waiting that long between spin-off incarnations, so the asset re-use seems justified in my head.
Ah well, I suppose something in the world has to maintain the karmic balance with Ubisoft's two-year marketing campaigns.
Look forward to it though regardless, especially as we've had Ni No Kuni in the interim showing us the PS3 is capable of nearly-anime graphics.
Everything, really. I want to know what everyone looks like (this is the thing I'm probably most interested in right now); I want to know what the music sounds like; I want to know what the gameplay modes are like (particularly the story)... We barely know anything.
Spectrasonic
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That's true. I think what's really rubbing me the wrong way is reusing the same character art and theme songs for returning characters in the sequel. That just screams laziness to me.
LelouchViBritannia
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At the very least they should cut the internal dialog down, and make sure no two scenes repeat themselves.
I think there'll be a lot less repeated scenes, but I bet there's still a lot of internal dialogue.
It's cheap and easy filler content.
*Game delayed 6 months in order to add redundant storylines.*
*Game then pushed back a year to feature 15 hours of steak and boxed lunch gags.*
Well, it's not having individual character stories so that probably won't happen much.
Lollipop Dave
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I'm interested in seeing what alternative costumes they are going to add. as for gameplay modes, I assume it will be VN style cut-scenes in-between songs for story.
Hopefully it's not long till we get some news.
LelouchViBritannia
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id rather have a solid 10 hour story mode than a 15 hour story with 5 hours worth of filler. Im hoping Atlus and ASW have taken the feedback from Arena very seriously.
Spectrasonic
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Huh, General Teddies is back. Very curious considering the events of the first game.
LelouchViBritannia
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Thanks pan. I find it amazing that Ken is taller than yukiko. 13 year olds these days
BISHOUNEN AS FUCK.
And Koro is cute as usual.
LelouchViBritannia
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Happy to say his mouth looks normal, unlike some of the others.
You're just hoping for swimsuits.
I'm interested in the alternate costumes too. Really hope they just have casual outfits. The uniforms would be nice, too.
LelouchViBritannia
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Hate to be the one to say this, but there will be NO additional costumes. Its not as simple to change outfits in a 2d fighter like it is in 3d. They'd have to redraw all the animations again with the new design. With 3d models, this process is not required.
Would love to see Akihiko put his p3 outfit back on though. His new one is WTF??
Would love to see Akihiko put his p3 outfit back on though. His new one is WTF??
We're talking about Persona 5.
LelouchViBritannia
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ahh my bad.
Lollipop Dave
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I personally think that all the characters, other than Rise and the new chick, will be wearing school uniforms by default.
I think they'll be pop star versions of their uniforms, like Narukami's and Rise's are.
Lord Scrambles
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I feel like they are all going to be variations of the school uniform. I have the feeling that Narukami's is simplistic by design because of the whole MC thing, but if you look at Rise's costume, you will see that its also a heavily modified version of her uniform
Reanimatoin
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Isnt the game being made by the same people who did project diva? If so then it'll be costumes aplenty, that game has like 20 costumes per character.
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