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Persona Community Thread |OT5| Pull up a chair! [NO PQ OR P4U SPOILERS!]
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Let's take a moment to discuss Atlus' glorious decision to design this final boss the way it is in Persona 1.
Oh, oh fuck this. FUCK THIS. Randomly changing your weakness midturn is one thing, but using BOTH OF YOUR TURNS PER TURN TO SPAM BUTTERFLY STORM IS UTTER BULLSHIT. I AM NOT REWALKING 2 FUCKING FLOORS OF AVIDYA WORLD TO DIE TO A CHEAP ASS MOVE LIKE THAT AGAIN.
FUCK IT. I'M WATCHING THE END OF THE GAME ON YOUTUBE. NOT EVEN TRYING SNOW QUEEN NOW. STRAIGHT ON TO PERSONA 2. FUCK THIS FINAL BOSS FOREVER AND EVER. HOLY SHIT.
Maki's face coming out of a giant penis protruding from between the six legs of a greyish woman's body. I get that this is Pandora but like, when you say Shadow Self representing a girl's desire to be free from a hospital and live with her friends THIS IS NOT WHAT COMES TO MIND AT ALL.
And then the Penis explodes into a beautiful butterfly and Maki goes "It's beautiful!" WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON GIRL.
And then the Penis explodes into a beautiful butterfly and Maki goes "It's beautiful!" WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON GIRL.
Oh, oh fuck this. FUCK THIS. Randomly changing your weakness midturn is one thing, but using BOTH OF YOUR TURNS PER TURN TO SPAM BUTTERFLY STORM IS UTTER BULLSHIT. I AM NOT REWALKING 2 FUCKING FLOORS OF AVIDYA WORLD TO DIE TO A CHEAP ASS MOVE LIKE THAT AGAIN.
FUCK IT. I'M WATCHING THE END OF THE GAME ON YOUTUBE. NOT EVEN TRYING SNOW QUEEN NOW. STRAIGHT ON TO PERSONA 2. FUCK THIS FINAL BOSS FOREVER AND EVER. HOLY SHIT.
hipsterpants
Member
I'm incredibly bored right now, so I'm going to post some more P4 impressions. I'm
- The entire sequence with the team believing
was incredibly contrived. They were simply too dumb to be believable, and it's made worse that, as the player
yet you can't bring up anything questioning what happened.
- Yukiko is the best girl in the game. She reminds me of every airhead/awkward girl I've ever met, and her problem determining what to do with her future is very relatable. Great character, I don't understand why she's the least popular.
- Rise is like wish fulfillment: the character. She's cute, super nice, has a giant crush on you, and is super dependent on you to help her with her S. Link. It's almost embarrassing.
- Yosuke is a twat, and I would never actually hang out with someone like him in real life. Unfortunately the game seems to think we're best friends.
- Kanji is the best character in the game. I'm pretty sure he's actually smarter and has more common sense than the other morons in the Investigation team. Every time someone berates him I dislike them a little bit more.
- For all the complaints about P3, a lot of "nothing" happens in this game too. Instead of plot development we get random wacky scenes that are just there to entertain. And when everyone gets together to "solve" the mystery they don't actually accomplish anything. Even if they figure something out, it doesn't matter because it has no bearing on the story. Especially when they do the aforementioned and totally
edit: I guess it does affect the story, but they suck at life and it doesn't change anything anyway lol.
- I'm really, really not a fan of limiting character development to S. Links only. It just doesn't work. Not having relationships or character development from S. Links represented in the main story is incredibly jarring and destroys any immersion. It also creates the problem of characters feeling "static," where if I don't do their S. Links the characters feel like they aren't changing at all throughout the story which is equally awful. The S. Links are really well written though (for the most part). It is insane how much better they are than the ones in P3.
- Combat is waaaaaay too simple. It's literally just spamming ma- spells. If P5 doesn't return to the P3 system I'll be disappointed (which means I will be disappointed).
right before fighting shadow Naoto.
- The entire sequence with the team believing
they caught the killer
you know it's not over
- Yukiko is the best girl in the game. She reminds me of every airhead/awkward girl I've ever met, and her problem determining what to do with her future is very relatable. Great character, I don't understand why she's the least popular.
- Rise is like wish fulfillment: the character. She's cute, super nice, has a giant crush on you, and is super dependent on you to help her with her S. Link. It's almost embarrassing.
- Yosuke is a twat, and I would never actually hang out with someone like him in real life. Unfortunately the game seems to think we're best friends.
- Kanji is the best character in the game. I'm pretty sure he's actually smarter and has more common sense than the other morons in the Investigation team. Every time someone berates him I dislike them a little bit more.
- For all the complaints about P3, a lot of "nothing" happens in this game too. Instead of plot development we get random wacky scenes that are just there to entertain. And when everyone gets together to "solve" the mystery they don't actually accomplish anything. Even if they figure something out, it doesn't matter because it has no bearing on the story. Especially when they do the aforementioned and totally
drop the case even though it completely goes against all the evidence they've found. Yep.
edit: I guess it does affect the story, but they suck at life and it doesn't change anything anyway lol.
- I'm really, really not a fan of limiting character development to S. Links only. It just doesn't work. Not having relationships or character development from S. Links represented in the main story is incredibly jarring and destroys any immersion. It also creates the problem of characters feeling "static," where if I don't do their S. Links the characters feel like they aren't changing at all throughout the story which is equally awful. The S. Links are really well written though (for the most part). It is insane how much better they are than the ones in P3.
- Combat is waaaaaay too simple. It's literally just spamming ma- spells. If P5 doesn't return to the P3 system I'll be disappointed (which means I will be disappointed).
Someone just got MegaTen'd.
Every fucking time I think I know what I'm doing in a Mega Ten game suddenly the bullshit factor increases exponentially. I steamrolled my way through that dungeon. Nothing could put a dent in my entire team.
Final boss rapes and murders the whole lot of them. Fuck walking back up those two incredibly annoying floors and their stupid high encounter rates. I'm watching this shit on Youtube and moving on to P2. For all I give a fuck I beat this game.
Red The Hunter
Member
Oh God that one, there are some things in this world that can never be unseen and this one of them.
Welp, this was a fun new experience.
I can't wait to see your reaction to Innocent Sin's final boss.
Probably I will throw down the PSP again and then just youtube that shit, too. I don't have the patience for luck based final boss fights and luck based demon persuading, and I tip my hat to those of you who do.
It took me a few tries to beat that piece of shit. Butterfly Storm can eat a dick. That was the first attack that boss used on me multiple times.
buddha0991
Member
I can't wait to see your reaction to Innocent Sin's final boss.
He is playing the PSP version remember? The final boss will just sort of tickle him and then wonder why its not able to hurt the crew almost at all.
Ljrivarola
Banned
I just read the first three paragraphs and I had to stop. This is one of those things I don't want to have burned into my mind.
TurnipFritters
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Edit: Nevermind, someone wisely pointed out this might not be appropriate for NeoGAF.
DryEyeRelief
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P3FES: The Answer
I agree with you on the characters. Though I had more forgiveness for Yosuke. It's not like he was immune to karma, so I found myself laughing at the situations than seeing it as a fault of his character.
Given the story structure, I'm not sure how they would approach the character development differently. In P4, there weren't many instances where you could put the spotlight on a character, beyond their "arc." More was dedicated to just showcasing the group as a whole. It's definitely different and I'm not sure if I prefer P3 or P4's approach.
Well this was a nice resolution to the story. Although thinking back on The Journey, I liked the ambiguity of P3MC's fate more. Him becoming a seal gives the ending a different feel.
The whole part of the story where SEES has to fight each other, and Metis just happens to know the location of a coliseum...it was too elaborate. I wished they solved their group conflict in a different way. It just seemed like a story from a fighting game.
The whole part of the story where SEES has to fight each other, and Metis just happens to know the location of a coliseum...it was too elaborate. I wished they solved their group conflict in a different way. It just seemed like a story from a fighting game.
I agree with you on the characters. Though I had more forgiveness for Yosuke. It's not like he was immune to karma, so I found myself laughing at the situations than seeing it as a fault of his character.
Given the story structure, I'm not sure how they would approach the character development differently. In P4, there weren't many instances where you could put the spotlight on a character, beyond their "arc." More was dedicated to just showcasing the group as a whole. It's definitely different and I'm not sure if I prefer P3 or P4's approach.
LegionAgent
Member
Then how did you beat
Nyx Avatar?
PD: I still have to beat it on new game +, but I'll go armed to the teeth
Worth it for Heartful Cry, though.
P3 spoilers and super-loud volume warning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsoBNs_mNsM
For some reason I agree with most of these points (I still like Yosuke though!) but this is still one of my favorite games of all time. Yes, even with the weird and kind of badly done murder mystery plot. It's just one of those games where the whole package is greater than the individual parts.
I will say though, I think a lot of people's enjoyment of P4 and P3 comes down to which one they've played first. I find that most people who played P3 first enjoy it more than P4 and vice versa.
Also, I really really like Yukiko too. I don't get why people say she's boring. I think her social link is one of the more relatable social links. I also agree that Kanji is the best character.
LegionAgent
Member
My exact feeling, multiplied by 3
P3's final boss didn't use charm attacks on me once in the two fights against it. That might just be a P3P thing, though.
LegionAgent
Member
That my friend, is what I call luck, something you apparently lacked when you faced P1 final boss, I totally understand you, I mean, losing because your strategy was flawed and you didn't had a balanced team is something I can live with, but losing to a chance based move is something that makes want to punch stuff.
Twilightzoney
Member
I really shouldn't have looked that up. My picture of Fuuka is ruined now.
Apparently my team does suck, but I've been doing just fine, finishing fights in a single turn in the final dungeon, until I got jobbed. I could've even coped with Butterfly Apocalypse but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. 2 in a row is more than I could handle.
hipsterpants
Member
To be honest my dislike of Yosuke more comes from the entire camping scene, which really does make him just look like a huge asshole. Otherwise he's usually okay.
I am having a ton of fun though, but right
now I think I prefer P3 because I absolutely love the music, (most of) the characters, and the general aesthetics of the game just appeal to me a lot more. If P5 can combine both games' strengths, it could easily be my favorite game of all time.
LegionAgent
Member
I literally just typed "persona 3 fanfic fuuka peanut" on Google and it appeared as first option, I read it and now I'm really debating myself whether or not to play P3 tonight, I'll probably do it anyways but it'll be weird for like, five minutes.
buddha0991
Member
why did you people remind me of this thing's existence,WHY
100% agree. There are different things I like about both games.
DryEyeRelief
Member
Heh, you're right about that. I was actually introduced to this series through P4A and Aigis' theme was one of my favorites. So hearing this in game I was like, "whoa, so this is where it came from!"
P4's cast is filled with hammy, larger-than-life personalities. It was fine when the IT was just a group of four, because Yukiko would play off of Chie. But as the group got larger, she lost her voice within it.
Ljrivarola
Banned
It always amazes me how there are people who willingly write (poorly) about things like that.
Also, don't do it Corvo.
I also really liked Yukiko on my first playthrough. I'm from a shitty small town and always wanted to escape as a teen, so yeah, I definitely related, and was kind of let down when (Yukiko S-link spoilers)
A lot of P4's social links
she decides to stay in Inaba and inherit the Inn. I mean, I understand why she decided to do that, it made sense for her, it's just not something I can relate to.
A lot of P4's social links
end in the characters returning to status quo (Yukiko inheriting the inn, Rise returning to showbiz) or at the very least any character changes aren't made evident outside of the social links. I'm guessing they didn't want to make the social links hugely consequential, otherwise it'd A) require lots of branching plot paths and B) make it very difficult to follow up with a sequel story that doesn't disregard player choices in the previous game.
Even as I attempt to cheat at this final boss it is a load of bullshit. This is Spirit Tracks level of terribad final battles. By which I mean this final boss is suddenly highlighting how much I hated every boss battle in the game and poisoning my love for the game.
As in fuck the man who made this final battle with knives.
As in this is NOT a good final boss.
It isn't even a matter of strategy. There's so much about this fight that's entirely luck based. If she changes her hair color (AND THERE IS FUCK ALL WARNING FOR THAT) you can wind up undoing all your efforts thus far. If she decides to start spamming Butterflies you're fucked. If you get hit with an incureable status effect that's that.
This is a terribly designed boss battle in a game FILLED with terrible boss battles and terrible, awful mechanics of numerous other sorts.
In the end, I love Persona 1's new OST, and I love its plot, and I like Maki, Mark, and Nanjo.
But as an actual game this ranges from mediocre to sometimes downright awful to play, and I wish to God I'd picked Elly instead of Reiji. So much of the way this game plays is what was absolutely wrong with PSX era RPGs. Fucking menus everywhere, a hilariously high encounter rate, gameplay mechanics buried beneath gameplay mechanics etc etc.
At the same time, I have to applaud the game for its truly unique monsters, interesting status effects, compact if backloaded plot and excellent score.
But goddamn this bossfight fills my soul with an unholy hatred.
As in fuck the man who made this final battle with knives.
As in this is NOT a good final boss.
It isn't even a matter of strategy. There's so much about this fight that's entirely luck based. If she changes her hair color (AND THERE IS FUCK ALL WARNING FOR THAT) you can wind up undoing all your efforts thus far. If she decides to start spamming Butterflies you're fucked. If you get hit with an incureable status effect that's that.
This is a terribly designed boss battle in a game FILLED with terrible boss battles and terrible, awful mechanics of numerous other sorts.
In the end, I love Persona 1's new OST, and I love its plot, and I like Maki, Mark, and Nanjo.
But as an actual game this ranges from mediocre to sometimes downright awful to play, and I wish to God I'd picked Elly instead of Reiji. So much of the way this game plays is what was absolutely wrong with PSX era RPGs. Fucking menus everywhere, a hilariously high encounter rate, gameplay mechanics buried beneath gameplay mechanics etc etc.
At the same time, I have to applaud the game for its truly unique monsters, interesting status effects, compact if backloaded plot and excellent score.
But goddamn this bossfight fills my soul with an unholy hatred.
Huh? It's pretty much exactly the same lineart:
You're right, I'm dumb.
For some reason I was thinking it was the IK art.
Fucking Japan. I bet the EXP gain rate is stupid low then, too.
AHAHAHAHA SHE'S FUCKING INVINCIBLE.
FUCK THE MAN WHO MADE THIS AND HIS WIFE TOO.
INFUCKINGVINCIBLE
UNFUCKINGLIMITEDPOWER
AND NOW MAIN GUY IS A FUCKING ROCK. DOIN SINGLE DIGITS TO A 15K HP BOSS AND MAIN GUY GOT TURNED TO STONE. THERE IS NO CURE FOR ANY OF THIS SHIT. JUST AS THERE IS NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR THIS INSUFFERABLE FINAL FIGHT.
GOD.
FUCKING
DAMN
I HATE THIS GAME.
LegionAgent
Member
He is playing the PSP version remember? The final boss will just sort of tickle him and then wonder why its not able to hurt the crew almost at all.
Lies, its not that hard but I still need to get back to prepare better.. the hike is weird lol
Persona 1 Final thoughts
As in I've seen the ending and I'm not touching this video game again for a LONG ASS TIME.
Now let's move on to what was good, shall we?
Looking forward to Persona 2. I get that Megaten games beinghorrible difficult is a thing and all, but everybody and his mother has hyped this game's plot up nearly as much as Persona 3, so I have to at least experience it. Frankly P1 wasn't that hard until it decided to go batshit insane at the very last second.
As in I've seen the ending and I'm not touching this video game again for a LONG ASS TIME.
Let's talk about the bad, or at least what I did not like first, shall we? Like the vile canned green beans we so quickly devour before turning to the edible portions of our dinner. Some of these are slimy and cold, some are merely tepid and mushy. None are hot and tasty.
First on our list is definitely Reiji. I don't HATE him, mind you, but he was an enormous letdown from every angle. He rarely spoke and when he did it was just some "Blah I love you guys but I'm not gonna show it" shit. I appreciate it, but frankly he somehow managed to feel even less involved in what was going on in the game than the main guy, whose personality was made up entirely by yours truly. In battle Reiji was fucking useless. He had terrible affinity with every Persona I ever did manage to create, and the ones he had acceptable affinity with had useless skills. He was mostly geared around dealing physical damage in a game where dealing physical damage is the worst option ever in battle. I wish I'd chosen Elly instead of him. What little he added to the SEBEC route was nifty, I suppose, but considering how thoroughly disappointing he was otherwise, it's baffling that you have to go through so many hoops just to hire the guy. That said, I do think that his backstory about the way his mother was treated is a fairly interesting tidbit that was handled mostly well. It's a shame that Reiji really didn't expand beyond shouting from the very back of the party "HEY YOUR DEAD DAD ABUSED MY MOM YOU BASTARD!" at Kandori every three dungeons or so.
The cast itself reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaally needed more time to develop, and I'm willing to say that Reiji falls mainly into this same problem, a problem I'm largely overlooking since this is, after all, an early PSX RPG. I only comment on him because I started over TWICE to recruit his Chibodee Crockett Cosplaying ass.
Next up is demon negotiation! It is a horrible piece of shit and I mean that in the most vitriolic, damning, violent, vehement, vicious, hateful, spiteful, petty, childish, cruel, mean-spirited way I possibly can convey it to you. To acquire new Personas in 3 and 4 I need only win a fight and draw a card in shuffle time. To acquire new Personas in 1, I have to win a completely random insane troll logic quiz game, have two separate levels be higher than the demon (by which I suppose I mean EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER MUST HAVE THESE LEVELS HIGHER TO RECRUIT A DEMON) and then have a higher level than the persona I am fusing before I can fuse it and then a higher persona level than the persona so I can equip it. Which is quite a fucking bit more work than winning a fight, drawing a card, and fusing away. And last I checked this was a game, not fucking work. And to complicate things, there's no compendium, so I cannot just rerecruit personas or spellcards the way you would in SMT4 or P3 and 4. That's all well and good, and I shouldn't fault this game for not having things that future games would have, except I cannot stock multiples of the same card. I can only ever have one card at a time, and a limited number at that, so if I ever did need another of that card I would have to go through that piece of shit conversation minigame again to acquire another one. Which is a horrible process whether there are Compendiums or not.
The encounter rate is terrible, but that's what I get for playing a PSX era RPG.
Boss battles are uniformly awful in this game, but let me take this one last moment to reiterate that the final battle in the game is the single worst final boss I have ever faced in any video game ever. I would sooner replay the final battle of Sonic 2006 than ever fight that fucking nonsense piece of shit waste of my goddamn time that fight was. I swear to God I'd have better chances of winning against KH's Mysterious Figure than that fight. If, after a full game's worth of playing the player reaches the final boss chamber with no difficulty whatsoever and yet cannot defeat the final boss even after applying cheatcodes to render himself invincible, there is a serious problem with your piece of shit boss design.
First on our list is definitely Reiji. I don't HATE him, mind you, but he was an enormous letdown from every angle. He rarely spoke and when he did it was just some "Blah I love you guys but I'm not gonna show it" shit. I appreciate it, but frankly he somehow managed to feel even less involved in what was going on in the game than the main guy, whose personality was made up entirely by yours truly. In battle Reiji was fucking useless. He had terrible affinity with every Persona I ever did manage to create, and the ones he had acceptable affinity with had useless skills. He was mostly geared around dealing physical damage in a game where dealing physical damage is the worst option ever in battle. I wish I'd chosen Elly instead of him. What little he added to the SEBEC route was nifty, I suppose, but considering how thoroughly disappointing he was otherwise, it's baffling that you have to go through so many hoops just to hire the guy. That said, I do think that his backstory about the way his mother was treated is a fairly interesting tidbit that was handled mostly well. It's a shame that Reiji really didn't expand beyond shouting from the very back of the party "HEY YOUR DEAD DAD ABUSED MY MOM YOU BASTARD!" at Kandori every three dungeons or so.
The cast itself reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaally needed more time to develop, and I'm willing to say that Reiji falls mainly into this same problem, a problem I'm largely overlooking since this is, after all, an early PSX RPG. I only comment on him because I started over TWICE to recruit his Chibodee Crockett Cosplaying ass.
Next up is demon negotiation! It is a horrible piece of shit and I mean that in the most vitriolic, damning, violent, vehement, vicious, hateful, spiteful, petty, childish, cruel, mean-spirited way I possibly can convey it to you. To acquire new Personas in 3 and 4 I need only win a fight and draw a card in shuffle time. To acquire new Personas in 1, I have to win a completely random insane troll logic quiz game, have two separate levels be higher than the demon (by which I suppose I mean EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER MUST HAVE THESE LEVELS HIGHER TO RECRUIT A DEMON) and then have a higher level than the persona I am fusing before I can fuse it and then a higher persona level than the persona so I can equip it. Which is quite a fucking bit more work than winning a fight, drawing a card, and fusing away. And last I checked this was a game, not fucking work. And to complicate things, there's no compendium, so I cannot just rerecruit personas or spellcards the way you would in SMT4 or P3 and 4. That's all well and good, and I shouldn't fault this game for not having things that future games would have, except I cannot stock multiples of the same card. I can only ever have one card at a time, and a limited number at that, so if I ever did need another of that card I would have to go through that piece of shit conversation minigame again to acquire another one. Which is a horrible process whether there are Compendiums or not.
The encounter rate is terrible, but that's what I get for playing a PSX era RPG.
Boss battles are uniformly awful in this game, but let me take this one last moment to reiterate that the final battle in the game is the single worst final boss I have ever faced in any video game ever. I would sooner replay the final battle of Sonic 2006 than ever fight that fucking nonsense piece of shit waste of my goddamn time that fight was. I swear to God I'd have better chances of winning against KH's Mysterious Figure than that fight. If, after a full game's worth of playing the player reaches the final boss chamber with no difficulty whatsoever and yet cannot defeat the final boss even after applying cheatcodes to render himself invincible, there is a serious problem with your piece of shit boss design.
Now let's move on to what was good, shall we?
I love the OST in this game. In particular, the townmap song is quite catchy! The battle music and several other songs are, too. I've talked a lot about the pieces that reminded me of P4 today, too, and that's great in the best way. So hooray for you, Mr. Composer man! Unlike Mr. Boss Fight Designer Man, you are not a living piece of shit!
Nanjo, Maki, and Mark are great characters. In particular I love Mark. Definitely a proud sire to the likes of Junpei and Yosuke. Frankly I was kinda miffed that Maki fell in love with me, since without Mark I wouldn't've even known she existed. Mark was a truly stellar, honest, straightforward character and I found myself most sympathetic to him as the game progressed. Kandori was sort of so-so as a villain, but after the revelation that Maki herself was the problem, I stopped worrying about that.
One thing I'd like to point out. While I love this game's storyline. And I mean I really do love the game's plot, and how it all comes together as the archetype for Shadow Selves and Shadow World Dungeons that Persona 4 would employ in its plot and blah blah I love this game's plot a bunch you guys, but I do have one huge nitpick: It's not that Philemon or Igor are never really explained. It's Nyarlothep. As in, you beat the shit out of Kandori, then Nyarlothep possesses him, then vanishes. Except that this Nyarlothep character is never introduced and never heard from or explained after this fight. As a standalone, that's very unusual. Frankly, though, that's the only thing about the game's plot I disliked.
Well, that and that Persona 1 spends its first half rather empty. That said, I feel like Persona 1 would almost make for a great Hollywood style movie, because of the nice, compact feeling the plot has. The game still manages to not lack for memorable moments, however, which is very much so to its credit.
I should also add that I LOVED that the ending allowed the player to determine the fate of the protagonist. That, to me, is very much so the "make your own damn canon" that Persona fans ought to embrace. I don't have any problems with the way Atlus has forged Yu Narukami into a character, mind you, but for me, it should definitely always be about making your own canon around that silent protagonist. So I loved that.
Nanjo, Maki, and Mark are great characters. In particular I love Mark. Definitely a proud sire to the likes of Junpei and Yosuke. Frankly I was kinda miffed that Maki fell in love with me, since without Mark I wouldn't've even known she existed. Mark was a truly stellar, honest, straightforward character and I found myself most sympathetic to him as the game progressed. Kandori was sort of so-so as a villain, but after the revelation that Maki herself was the problem, I stopped worrying about that.
One thing I'd like to point out. While I love this game's storyline. And I mean I really do love the game's plot, and how it all comes together as the archetype for Shadow Selves and Shadow World Dungeons that Persona 4 would employ in its plot and blah blah I love this game's plot a bunch you guys, but I do have one huge nitpick: It's not that Philemon or Igor are never really explained. It's Nyarlothep. As in, you beat the shit out of Kandori, then Nyarlothep possesses him, then vanishes. Except that this Nyarlothep character is never introduced and never heard from or explained after this fight. As a standalone, that's very unusual. Frankly, though, that's the only thing about the game's plot I disliked.
Well, that and that Persona 1 spends its first half rather empty. That said, I feel like Persona 1 would almost make for a great Hollywood style movie, because of the nice, compact feeling the plot has. The game still manages to not lack for memorable moments, however, which is very much so to its credit.
I should also add that I LOVED that the ending allowed the player to determine the fate of the protagonist. That, to me, is very much so the "make your own damn canon" that Persona fans ought to embrace. I don't have any problems with the way Atlus has forged Yu Narukami into a character, mind you, but for me, it should definitely always be about making your own canon around that silent protagonist. So I loved that.
Looking forward to Persona 2. I get that Megaten games being
No one's mentioned Koromaru is involved. I feel this important to know.
Had fun reading your impressions, Corvo! P2IS Portable, at the very least, isn't a particularly challenging game, although the encounter rate is still totally fucked. Negotiation is still a thing, but there are pretty robust guides on it.
Just something I feel like I have to mention with regards to P2, after every single major (occasionally even minor) main plot development, I suggest visiting every non-dungeon zone in the game and talking with your party members there. Like shops, restaurants, clinics, whatever. Even rooms in the dungeons that let you talk with your party members have a bunch of dialogue that changes every time something big happens within thar dungeon. There is just a totally unbelievable amount of dialogue in that game stowed away in these side-conversations, and at least half of why I enjoyed the game and its' cast so much.
Just something I feel like I have to mention with regards to P2, after every single major (occasionally even minor) main plot development, I suggest visiting every non-dungeon zone in the game and talking with your party members there. Like shops, restaurants, clinics, whatever. Even rooms in the dungeons that let you talk with your party members have a bunch of dialogue that changes every time something big happens within thar dungeon. There is just a totally unbelievable amount of dialogue in that game stowed away in these side-conversations, and at least half of why I enjoyed the game and its' cast so much.
RockderBanja
Member
Off topic, but....is anyone going to EVO this year? I think me and some of my friends are about to book a room, and I was wondering if anyone here is going.
I just saw this theory on my tumblr dash and I thought you guys might be interested. Some Persona 2 spoilers are in there, so be aware.
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While I don't think that this is necessarily true, it's certainly an interesting observation that those characters some similarities. Also, Sho's Arcana is Sun - just like Tatsuya's.
I am pretty convinced that Sho Minazuki's Split Personality is actually Tatsuya Suo.
I mean, look at Tsukiyomi (Sho) and Apollo (Tatsuya).
These arent simply Design Similarities. Its the same friggin Persona, except with a different color scheme and coat. And well, his brains exploded out.
Plus, Sho keeps talking about a girl he doesnt want to suffer anymore in his Win Quotes. Could he be talking about?Maya
Also, he seems very disillusioned with bonds If this is the Tatsuya who had to give up on all his friendships for good and be alone, it would really make sense he ended up like this.
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While I don't think that this is necessarily true, it's certainly an interesting observation that those characters some similarities. Also, Sho's Arcana is Sun - just like Tatsuya's.
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I have always related Heartful Cry to Yukari tbh and always will.
I think in the P3 movie, Yukari x MC is canon
CrazyTank940
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Looks stellar as usual Mamba, love looking forward to these
Everyone's going to have some characters in P4 they relate to. If you relate to someone, you have a tendency to like them above the others, and wonder why no one seems to "get" them. I kind of have this problem with Fuuka from P3, but that's another story.
Fuuka and peanut butter. Without seeing the post mentioning Koromaru, it's probably a bad thing that my mind went there immediately and shuddered. I blame the comedians I listen to regularly.
Once again, Corvo's reactions never cease to disappoint.
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Yukiko is def awesome. I feel as if her social link is greatly expanded upon in the anime compared to the game.
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