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Persona Community Thread |OT7| P5 is nyaow. (Mark all PQ and P4U spoilers!)
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and party members willing to die for you at SLink level 2 instead of a later level.
Persona 1 is secretly the best game in the old Persona trilogy.
Agreed. My favourite parts of both Persona 3 and 4 were how personal they felt with the silent, nameable main characters. I was over the moon when they kept the MC you chose in PQ mute.
That said, getting Jun to speak at the announcement makes me think they're gonna take a Mass Effect approach, which is alright I guess but I'd vastly prefer a mute MC. Any other games with a mute MC do it terribly.
Just like Tatsuya and Maya (and P3MC to a lesser extent), this protagonist is looking like one who has a defined history that defines who he is and how he acts instead of playing the role just as a player insert (like P1MC or Yu), so that makes the prospect of him not being mute even less bothersome to me.
Part of the reason why I don't like P3MC is because there's a history dump midway through the game about his childhood and his powers. Why create a blank slate only to draw on it afterwards?
P4MC was a departure from that in that he was a complete blank slate and that was totally appreciated. P5MC clearly isn't a blank slate and having a voice would only make sense.
BassForever
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This pretty much sums it up perfectly
Aadrian1234
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This can be looked at both ways. My reaction was along the lines of
"Holy shit. That happened to ME?"
I would totally rob a casino if I woke up with crazy superpowers one day.
If that's the case then then I'd prefer they go the full mile and make him his own character. Specifically, naming a fully voiced, pre defined MC just makes voiced dialogue awkward. I can accept other characters dancing around a player insert characters name but if this dude on screen is clearly his own man it's just weird. Like if they opened up Catherine by asking you to enter your own name. Bleugh.
This is how I saw it too, and it was awesome. I actually didn't have a problem with Tatsuya either. It's fun to impart yourself on to a character who's not all that much like you. Escapism 'n all that.
Yet everything that happens in the story is directly connected to your past.
The very first character you meet is Pharos, the different shadows are all parts of you, and by being connected to Pharos, Ryoji is directly involved with you as well.
Whereas in P4, when you get to Inaba, nothing from your past matters at all. It's a blank slate. I was wary of similar shenanigans but it never happened. The design choice made sense in their second attempt.
Not necessarily. Tidus in FFX was handled well.
P1 is a rad little game.
I agree. I'd be a bit disappointed if he only says Persona! and the names of them again.
Eh, dodging his name is fine, but Tidus is the perfect example of what I don't want from a nameless MC. Not only does he have a backstory, but he won't shut up about said backstory, you don't choose anything he says and he has a pretty cleary defined personality. I've played a good chunk of FFX so far and I still don't understand why they let me name him. The game would have been better off giving him a preset name from the beginning so they didn't avoid to avoid saying it.
Sure, P3MC and Tatsuya had pasts but you could wiggle your way into the role since otherwise they were blank, less so Tatsuya since he did have that delinquent thing going on.
Anybody else notice he actually seems to get busted in the OP? I think MC is the Phantom prior to the game starting. He gets busted, sent to the new school, whatever event Hashino teased happens, and then he gets his Persona.
He's already guilty of something and that's why the Velvet room is a cell.
This is a good point. I also noticed that the scene at the end of the trailer (when he was engulfed in blue flames) could take place in a prison. It has a red brick wall and some chains at the bottom.
But then, I also think that he obtained his Persona in the Scramble Crossing.
Yeah, they should have just given Tidus a name, but I'm talking about the writing actually dodging his name and that was done well. That's what will likely happen in Persona 5.
There's still a degree of self-insert if Social Links make a return, and we'll likely see a similar convention because of that.
Precisely what I think happened as well. Gets busted, sleeps in a jail cell, awakens in the velvet room before "moving" elsewhere beginning his journey.
I do wonder if this MC is going to be silent though. We've seen FAR more personality out of him so far than either modern P3/P4 protag at the start of their journeys combined. Trailer is just full of him posing and stuff to just *look cool*.
That makes sense, I would love it if he was the phantom before getting a persona. Once he gets a persona he decide to use it for his own interests, and only later, and maybe unknowingly, he ends up using it for the greater good.
Here is my guess of what is happening.
Once he gets the scramble crossing he sees someone else turn into their Persona. For whatever reason when someone turns into their Persona, time freezes, except for those who have the potential to wield Personas. I do think he will get his Persona at that point for whatever reason due to this other person.
Assuming that time freezes during this it would also explain how the heists are done and maybe he is trying to escape from people at that point.
sackboy2197
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May I ask you from what you guys noticed that he got busted? I didn't think of that honestly, but it does seem to make sense though.
I think this is it.
The beginning animation in the trailer and the epilogue to it are connected and sequential.
MC trieS to rob that casino, gets busted, and awakens to his Persona while in the slammer that night.
Presumably it's what he finds inside the casino that triggers this. We can tell he's leaving, as he breaks through that window. The helicopter is going to the casino: We can read that as the police having being contacted after an alert. MC is captured just before he can make his escape.
Oh yeah no doubt that's easy to do well. I worded my problem poorly. What I meant was it's awkward in the sense that the entire time, I'm asking myself "Why doesn't he have a name they can speak? This guy is clearly not meant to be me, so why doesn't he have a name"? That's what's going to bug me about a voiced but nameable MC in Persona 5.
Don't get me wrong though, this isn't gonna stop me getting or loving the game or anything. I'd just enjoy it a bit more if the MC was mute or full on his own person, instead of tip-toeing somewhere in between.
I'm pretty sure that the MC already has his Persona on 4/11, which I'm guessing is the day the casino heist takes place. I doubt he'd already be a master thief capable of leaping across chandeliers and warping from cover to cover. I'm guessing that the heroes awakened to their Personae before the game began. Since they're already planning a heist and Morgana is present as well. That's if everything we saw in the trailer actually does take place on 4/11 as it indicates.
DryEyeRelief
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So if the MC is the phantom at the beginning of the game, perhaps Anne/Anzu, Morgana and guy who's name I forget aren't persona users until later in the game? Like the development and gathering of characters follows Persona 4 more than Persona 3, where the main character is thrown into a group of established persona users.
Tidus being name-able was just a holdover from older FFs that had no voice work and could accommodate that feature as such. The script handled that really well.
Tifus is a surrogate for the player; he asks the necessarry questions you would to get explanations on culture and custom, typically coming from Lulu; He's not an avatar though. You're never meant to actually think you're him. It's more that you're ment to empathize with him in his position as a stranger in a strange land. Tidus is a set character and FFX is a very deliberate story tailored to him.
I'm betting P5MC is voiced. We'll probably get a definitive answer on the matter on Tuesdsy, so I feel I may as well go all in.
If this is the case, we're probably talking about an MC much closer to the ones BioWare makes. The background of the character is set and authored, but how the player behaves/responds to characters within those set boundaries is their choice.
I don't think everything in that trailer happens on the same day; I think they just wanted to indicate to people that the basic game flow of P3/4 has been maintained. Remember the starting events in both those games don't progress that quickly, they move naturally. We're very likely discussing someone who's artiving to a new home and new school, in a new town meeting and dealing with new people. Both P3 and 4 give their MCs time to acclimate. These games take place over a school year; there's really no reason to rush.
So yeah, I think that was just for show and the stuff in the trailer happens over the course of at least three days.
I also see no reason to doubt this character was a master thief pre-Persona. Not in a franchise that has a family like of detectives in it, the most recent one being a 15-year-old. Also, question how much of a master he is anyway. We see him get caught in the trailer.
The Phantom is probably good, but clearly not perfect.
Reanimatoin
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I highly doubt it, you see all of the party members with an SP gauge, so unless the characters themselves are literally magic, they already have personas that can use skills at that point.
You know, in some visual novels you can name the MC, but if you leave the default name then other characters actually call them that. I hope Atlus does something like that, and the reason why he's not named is because they want it to be a surprise.
I know people like the blank slate characters, and while I find them fine, I prefer someone a bit more defined. Unless a blank slate character means you can actually choose their sex.
I know people like the blank slate characters, and while I find them fine, I prefer someone a bit more defined. Unless a blank slate character means you can actually choose their sex.
CrimsonFist
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I don't like this theory because it means that he's a master thief doing all that absurd stuff in the real world without a Persona. Hashino said that they're going to be grounded, realistic characters, so I can't really see him doing something like robbing a casino and jumping through windows in the Phantom costume before he even gets a Persona.
I think that scene is either edited misleadingly or a dream like sequence.
Cipher Cat
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Since you haven't replied in the trailer thread:
The cat puns on your podcast came pretty late. But then again.Totally worth it. (ಠ‿ಠ
Good podcast pretty much everything mentioned. Maybe a bit too long, in my opinion.
Haha, there'll probably be more! We used to make bear puns all the time.
Thanks for listening!
Yeah, that's why it bugged me they let you name him at first. I know now that he's, well, him, but going in it initially presented him as another player avatar.
Bleeeeugh, I don't even want to think of Bioware style MC's. I finished Inquisition a little while back and I couldn't have cared less about my character by the end of it. I barely even remember him and I cared way more about my DAO character than either Hawke or the Inquisitor. I'm leaning towards the P5 MC being voiced too but I'm still holding on to that sliver of hope 'till Tuesday.
Cipher Cat
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They have cast Sutherland for Big Boss, though he has almost no dialouge.
There's really no direct confirmation that Jun Fukuyama is voicing the MC. Could be his shadow for all we know.
A Dead Diehard
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This dub peasant needs educating. Who is Jun Fukuyama and why is he so special?
He's most known for voicing Lelouch in Code Geass.
Just saw he also voices Shinra Kishitani.
Yeah, he's... a rather dynamic actor to cast as a mute.
A Dead Diehard
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DryEyeRelief
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Yeah it's probably an entirely different scenario. My fault assuming it has to be similar to the past.
yeeeeEEESSSSSS
I just started listening to the podcast, so I don't know if you discuss this more, but I'm having a hard time seeing it. He burglarized a major casino, demonstrating that he not only has the ability to premeditate a crime of that scale, but also to enact it to some degree of success. It's not some petty crime or a crime of passion, so considering he's old enough to be tried as an adult, I don't see him getting shipped to juvy. Plus, he's extra screwed if he had a gun at the time, considering Japan's firearm laws.
You also see them walking around the city, but someone undergoing reform would only be allowed to do that if their crime was minor enough that it could be "treated" with routine appointments. Organized burglary wouldn't really fit that bill, though, so he'd almost certainly get sent to prison for some period of time.
The only thing I could see is if he gets busted, and then breaks free while awaiting his trial in jail before getting sent to prison. In which case, law enforcement would still be trying to find him.
Though, looking up info about Japan's criminal justice system did reveal a neat fact: larceny seems to be the most common crime in Japan nowadays, so maybe that's what originally gave them the idea for thieves.
BassForever
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We're going to get Bryce Papenbrook as the voice of P5MC/Phantom and you're all gonna like it
StarSketch
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This is probably what will happen. though i dunno if he can do flamboyant.
...does this guy even do voicing for games? It would be really cool though.
Most of what I've posted today, I hadn't thought of at the time we did the podcast. Sophia and Arue put a lot of these things on my mind.
I do think you're looking at things a little too literally though, haha.
I've been forced to listen to him so much I probably wouldn't even mind by this point. Why is this happening to me.
He did a pretty sweet Nagito tho
Right?
JYB is like the perfect match for Jun. It's a shame.
Question Time: Who do you think should voice P5MC and why?
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