Lollipop Dave
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P4G and the Ultimax games have been on sale in my local store, but it's an independant store.
CeX has had them a few times too.
Granted, not alot of copies, like 5 max.
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Persona Community Thread |OT7| P5 is nyaow. (Mark all PQ and P4U spoilers!)
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P4G and the Ultimax games have been on sale in my local store, but it's an independant store.
CeX has had them a few times too.
Granted, not alot of copies, like 5 max.
It's getting better where I live. I wanted to buy P4 when it first came out in 2009 in Europe, but it wasn't available in any local store and it was constantly sold out online. Nowadays, I can actually walk into a shop and buy those games.
headofbowl
Neo Member
I managed to get Persona 4 when it first came out in store and I live by Liverpool, albeit there was only one copy... I remember there being 3 copies of P3fes in store when it was released too, so probably depends on region?
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
When I first bought persona 4 it was the only copy at the store.
Came with the soundtrack too.
Best SMT get was finding nocturne in the used section though.
Came with the soundtrack too.
Best SMT get was finding nocturne in the used section though.
Even Narukami can't understand the logic behind the spin-offs.
Too many feelings, how can they still make one song better than the other?
Now I'm expecting the inevitable kimi no kioku remix for movie 4...
emperorspride188
Member
That's surprising :| considering how much Japanese guys like high school setting I thought it'd sell something like monster hunter.
I feel like anything less than a million(world wide) would be a huge disappointment to atlus. That's just my guess though. I am excited to see how much the series has actually grown.
EDIT: Do we have sales of Ni No Kuni? I'm curious to compare.
this is REALLY good.
TheMrPliskin
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They're going to hit 1 million sold WW, I have zero doubts they'll do that. I just question if they can hit 1 million by the end of 2015, even then I think that could happen if things align properly.
TheMrPliskin
Member
a lot of people didn't play it cuz they didn't have a Vita. altho the cheaper PSTV alleviates that issue.
TheMrPliskin
Member
P4 vanilla sucks compared to Golden, imho. I hope they reconsider and port it over to PS4 just to get more people to play it.
ShadowSoldier89
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TheMrPliskin
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P3 Blueden and P4 Golden collection for PS4!
TheMrPliskin
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A Dead Diehard
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Aadrian1234
Banned
Oh man...this brings back so many sad feelings...
I wonder if there'll be a Memories of the School remix too...
That 700k P4G number comes from December 4th, 2013, and the last official one we had heard was that 350k copies were shipped just in Japan, on April 8, 2014. Over time, with sales boosts like it had during the start of P4GA, or the "the Best" re-release, and simply given the period of a year, I wouldn't be surprised if P4G has sold over a million copies worldwide. I think that would be the first Persona game to achieve that on its own.
Yeah, 1 million worldwide is a given, sooner than later, but by the end of 2015 is the question. I would say the prospect becomes much less likely if the game releases after August/September in either Japan or NA.
Really looking forward to Persona 5 to truly show how the series has grown since its last mainline release, through its sales.
Yeah, 1 million worldwide is a given, sooner than later, but by the end of 2015 is the question. I would say the prospect becomes much less likely if the game releases after August/September in either Japan or NA.
Really looking forward to Persona 5 to truly show how the series has grown since its last mainline release, through its sales.
I think P5 will break out to a much wider audience. So many guys I know who haven't played a single SMT or Persona game are interested in P5. i'm trying to get some of them into P4G.
DryEyeRelief
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TheMrPliskin
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Yeah that's why I'm not too sure, coming out after September not only means less time on shelves but it also puts it up against lots of competition. It could still happen depending on word of mouth and advertising and being on two generations of console will help. I also think the lackluster playstation exclusives so far will work in it's favour.
If they don't hit 1 million sold by the end of 2015 I'm confident it will happen by the end of Q1 2016. Regardless the game's going to well and I'm glad as it's well earned.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
So, I got PQ for christmas but haven't been able to play it up until yesterday. Don't worry, this post does not contain spoilers (not that I'm far enough into the game to spoil anything anyways.)
I'm posting to say that I'm really fond of the Sub-Persona system and how it's used to avoid that typical SP drain and my resulting avoidance of Persona skills in the main games. I'm not sure if I "got it" 100% yet, but what I do right now is use skills so that as many party members as possible are boosted. Most of the time this still leaves characters with a little "white SP" portion so that whatever SP they get from their sub will fully recharge them in the next battle. In the next turns I try to maintain the boost using the appropriate skills (not using SP at all due to it) and occasionally drop the boost to heal another member back to "white HP" or deal with ailments. Having every member back at "white HP" will then fully charge their HP at the stat of the next battle.
Is that the general modus operandi with Sub-Personae? I've been using this basic strategy up to and including Wonderland Floor 3 now and I'm really liking this system. Before I used it properly I had frequent runs to the nurse's office, wasting a lot of money, but now I can remain in the dungeon for quite a while. Shows that simple things can still give an interesting twist on regular turn based combat.
Though I must admit I'm a filthy casual that has auto mapping on. Not because I don't like the concept, but drawing walls myself was just tedious, especially since all you do is trace that blue outline they display. Luckily, I can still mark spots, treasures etc. myself.
I'm posting to say that I'm really fond of the Sub-Persona system and how it's used to avoid that typical SP drain and my resulting avoidance of Persona skills in the main games. I'm not sure if I "got it" 100% yet, but what I do right now is use skills so that as many party members as possible are boosted. Most of the time this still leaves characters with a little "white SP" portion so that whatever SP they get from their sub will fully recharge them in the next battle. In the next turns I try to maintain the boost using the appropriate skills (not using SP at all due to it) and occasionally drop the boost to heal another member back to "white HP" or deal with ailments. Having every member back at "white HP" will then fully charge their HP at the stat of the next battle.
Is that the general modus operandi with Sub-Personae? I've been using this basic strategy up to and including Wonderland Floor 3 now and I'm really liking this system. Before I used it properly I had frequent runs to the nurse's office, wasting a lot of money, but now I can remain in the dungeon for quite a while. Shows that simple things can still give an interesting twist on regular turn based combat.
Though I must admit I'm a filthy casual that has auto mapping on. Not because I don't like the concept, but drawing walls myself was just tedious, especially since all you do is trace that blue outline they display. Luckily, I can still mark spots, treasures etc. myself.
You've pretty much got the right idea. Later on, you'll gain SP skills that use your entire SP buffer, and then some. Don't shy away from doing that since the end result is losing 5-10 SP per battle, which isn't much by the long run. Definitely don't shy away from using expensive HP skills, considering how easy it is to replenish HP in this game.
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
On the subject of PQ, wouldn't mind a little help.
I'm on the 4th floor of the Evil Spirit Club, at the stage where I'm trying to solve this puzzle with the string of letters/plusses/minuses.
I'm not going to Google it, because I don't want to flat out read the solution, so I wanted to ask: Is there a way to turn the lights on in the last two rooms? Is it obvious (just trawling the floor wall humping)?
Failing that, can anybody give me a hint that doesn't spell out the solution?
I'm on the 4th floor of the Evil Spirit Club, at the stage where I'm trying to solve this puzzle with the string of letters/plusses/minuses.
I'm not going to Google it, because I don't want to flat out read the solution, so I wanted to ask: Is there a way to turn the lights on in the last two rooms? Is it obvious (just trawling the floor wall humping)?
Failing that, can anybody give me a hint that doesn't spell out the solution?
CrimsonFist
Member
You can't turn on those lights.
Get stuck for long enough and the game will spell out the solution for you. As a hint:
Think of the four rooms like a plane
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
I'd rather not have the game spell it out. I don't remember if it was prompted, but Naoto folded really quickly on the schedule puzzle a few floors up, giving the solution after failing a few times just trying some ideas out.
Made me feel like I should have a dunce cap on while playing.
Made me feel like I should have a dunce cap on while playing.
Cannon_Fodder
Member
If it makes you feel any better, I had the game spell out the solution for the puzzle you're stuck on, and it didn't really help any. To be fair though, I had already figured out what the solution was, I had just completely over-thought how to implement it. So maybe the game spelling it out for you might just point you in the right direction?
I don't mind the idea of puzzles, but if you feel you need to have a character in the game you can turn to to solve it for you, you're probably going in the wrong direction for what you should be doing in terms of design...
I mean, it's neat that it gives more character to someone like Naoto who just solves things right away, but if there's no reward for doing it on your own, why bother having player agency when it comes to solving it begin with?
I mean, it's neat that it gives more character to someone like Naoto who just solves things right away, but if there's no reward for doing it on your own, why bother having player agency when it comes to solving it begin with?
The combination of the obtuse puzzles and the extremely fast enemies in the third dungeon really derailed the game for me. I was flying by on Risky until I hit that part.
The schedule puzzle in particular really threw me off because it's done in way that doesn't easily let me organize it in my head. It basically requires you to write it down in a more organized manner
The schedule puzzle in particular really threw me off because it's done in way that doesn't easily let me organize it in my head. It basically requires you to write it down in a more organized manner
in order to see the pattern.
Personally I don't like the dungeon puzzles. I like the gameplay of the games because I can think of a solution to the problem and fly with it. Puzzles have one answer. Which is boring because requires a specific line of thinking. Sort of like the difference between open world and linear. I can get why people like puzzles, I just don't. Too restricting on what I'm trying to enjoy. At least, the puzzles loose their appeal when they become more about the puzzle than the rest of what's going on.
Cannon_Fodder
Member
Kinda related, but one of my favourite things about my PQ run was trying to get 100% completion on every floor. Some of the later FOEs made it pretty interesting to do, and I never really felt like there was just one solution.
CrimsonFist
Member
The only puzzle I really disliked was the dungeon 3 floor 4 one. All the others I found pretty manageable, but I think they want too far with making the solution too obtuse, and I do hate that the game gives you the solution without even asking, it just completely defeats the point.
The dungeon 4 and 5 puzzles were much better since they were actually built around the dungeons, rather than just being logic puzzles, and if you don't want to do them you have the option of killing the FOEs to make them easier.
The dungeon 4 and 5 puzzles were much better since they were actually built around the dungeons, rather than just being logic puzzles, and if you don't want to do them you have the option of killing the FOEs to make them easier.
Aadrian1234
Banned
same here. I had to write everything down on a notepad
before i could see a visible pattern
Grim Patron
Member
man, not a fan of that. i bought it strictly for the story/characters. guess i'll just guide through it lol
Cannon_Fodder
Member
Yeah, the sky's totally clear where I am, so the full moon really stands out. It'd be cool to have a P3M#3 trailer tomorrow.
I do have a question about P3, actually, if anyone here knows the answer off hand. (Mid-to-late P3 spoilers)
Does Ken join SEES because he knows Shinji is somehow involved with them, or does he only find out about Shinji later? I seem to remember that he joins SEES because Shinji is there, and while I've been able to find scenes in the script implying that's the case, I haven't found anything definitive.
A Dead Diehard
Member
He knows who Shinji is, though he doesn't know his name until he overhears Shinji and Akihiko talking.
Aadrian1234
Banned
Cannon_Fodder
Member
Here's a full list of (undocumented) differences between Persona 4 and Persona 4 Golden. There's a ton.
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- = Vanilla exclusive
+/- = Changed between versions
+Added meet up with Marie at the beginning of the game
+Added extra dialogue with Dojima asking you if you're ok (dialogue prompt)
+Added walk sequence where you get to explore Inaba (The shopping district is introduced)
+Saki and her brother can be seen fighting in the central shopping district
+Saving no longer boots you out of the save menu
+You can now load your game from the pause menu
+Added night time events
+You can hear yourself walking up / down the stairs at the Dojima residence now
+You can check the calendar in your room
+Dying no longer boots you to the title screen
+Aika is now referenced when eating at Aiya's
+HD sprites
+You can set skills during fusion
+Added a fastforward option to skip through scenes
+Added fusion search
+The game now tells you the amount of times needed to finish a book beforehand
-Chie is voiced by Tracey Rooney
-Teddie is voiced by Dave Wittenberg
-You can "skim" through books or read through them thoroughly(???)
-The TV that leads into the real world are red and have pink screens
-In the save menu, Saturday & Sunday are "colored" blue and red respectively
-Shadows that appear in dungeon overworld come in 2 variants; flying and grounded. (P4G only uses the grounded variant)
-There's a save point in front of the boss
+/- The burning beetle reflects physical instead of simply resisting it (not 100% sure)
+/- Shuffle time is completely different in both versions
+/- Pop quiz questions are completely different!
+/-Grounded shadows have a different design in P4G (they now wear masks)
+/- Nanako's "hmmm" voice clip is different. In P4G, it's a long "Hmmmmm" whereas in P4, it's a short "Hm."
+/- Value medicine heals 100HP in P4G (up from 50HP)
+/- Many shadows have had their weaknesses/resistances. For example, the heat balance enemy is weak to wind and lightning skills in Golden. In the original P4, it lacked a weaknesses.
+/- Golden hands are more common in P4G. They now give out a ton of EXP
+/- They changed some of [spoiler]Margeret's[/spoiler] lines during [spoiler]her[/spoiler] boss battle. All of her "new" lines are voiced by Karen Strassmen.
+/-Shadow Chie now resists physical and has more health
+/-Shadow Yukiko is now weak to Bufu, and responds to being hit by it by casting White Wall
+/-The Charming Prince in the Shadow Yukiko fight is now weak to electricity, rather than Ice.
+/-Shadow Kanji's two flunkies now have weaknesses. Nice Guy is weak to ice, and Tough Guy is weak to Fire.
+/-The optional boss now gets two turns in a row. The bosses's skills have been renamed too. Narukami is now Jihad. Divine Wind is now Divine Vacuum. Meltdown is now Prominence.
+/-The mechanics of The Reaper have been changed. You can now encounter him on a first playthrough, and his presence in a chest is indicated by rattling chains.StarSketch
Banned
+You can hear yourself walking up / down the stairs at the Dojima residence now
...Huh. never noticed that.
...Huh. never noticed that.
No, it was in the original (and P3) too. It's the only way to get
Izanagi-No-Okami and fight Margaret
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