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Persona Community Thread |OT8| Coming Winter 2014
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A Dead Diehard
Member
Keep holding out hope for that Nyarly comeback!
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I will be giddy if Futaba can like summon the Old Ones or something using her Persona. =P
Agreed. I'm less a fan of trying to gatekeep which interpretations are valid.
Fwiw, Hashino himself would almost certainly disagree you. Any artist that tries to impart a specific message(s) in their work is absolutely going to take a step back from it and consider the ways in which it could be interpreted/misinterpreted. Otherwise, what's the point? It's the reason we know Persona 3 is about seeing the value in the life we're given and making peace with the fact that life - and all else - must end, as opposed to just being about despair and nihilism, for instance.
What do you mean by that? I'd imagine the implication is just that it gives ginger girl a lot of power.
I'd be willing to bet you have absolutely no evidence for this whatsoever.
You should step back and say "Is this going to be an issue?", but you shouldn't step back and say "A minority of fans will want Naoto to be trans. Let's make Naoto trans or change her plotline entirely."
You'd lose that bet.
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And of course that isn't the first time he's more or less said that exact same thing. There's a thematic goal at the core of Persona's narrative. If they want it to be successful in that regard, they definitely consider different ways it can/will be viewed.
Edit: I see you walked back your comments.
Edit 2: I'm curious what you mean though? They shouldn't concern themselves with... specifics? Why?
That quote is completely different to what you said.
And I elaborated, I didn't backtrack. No need to be so hostile, dear.
The Necronomicon is a grimoire of knowledge used to summon ancient gods into this world. So it being a UFO (that is, out of this world) being used by a navigator character with all sorts of knowledge and characters written over it is pretty neat in design.
I'm... not being hostile? You backtracked. You should avoid calling people things like "dear"; that's snarky, but it's gendered too, which isn't great.
What I said applies pretty well, but if you can't have the discussion, fine. Do what you always do and "agree to disagree" or just drop it or whatever.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Maybe just enemies you've defeated?
I... guess? And I'd be willing to bet that Soejima took that into account when creating it. I don't like the idea of it being a Persona though, and I find its design rather boring.
the nercomoniom contains all kind of knowledge that may as well could be used for very bad thing if used by the wrong person. Some may even see it as an evil book.
This would fit quite well to Fubuka. She appears to be an hacker something that is mostily scoffed at by the general Public and gets shuned by the same. yet they have an huge amount of knowledge in the Field, Which in turn may as well makes them fearsome for most people since nearly everything in todays world is more or less controlled by the vary devices they are "toying" with.
In that regards its an good fit. Just the ufo design is questionable.
well it looks like an ufo in the data sheet but we have seen before that the persona you fight against can look very different then the acutal persona. So until we know more we can just assume it will be close to it.
edit:
and an ufo has something in common with hacking from the look of an normal person. Both are things they can imagine how the work.
StarSketch
Banned
Where are people getting that Sakura starts out antagonistic? I know she says something to the effect of "looks like I have to save them" but that could be a lot of things.
A Dead Diehard
Member
She's got that evil, cackling "bubble bubble, toil, and trouble! Fire burn and cauldron bubble" look when we first see her.
It's probably not the case, but you never know.
Right. I'm thinking it might be a drone as opposed to a UFO, in the space ship sense. Drones are far more explicitly tied to hacking and also surveillance, of course.
For what it's worth, I kinda agree with both of you. An author should be aware of ways there story or writing can be interpreted and whatever unfortunate implications there can be. That said, even if that is the case, that doesn't mean it should necessarily be changed depending on factors such as if the interpretations still fall somewhat in lines with the message the author is going for or if the interpretation is something that only a minority of people who stretch things out to see what they want to out of it would see it.
Also, the UFO has a gargoyle on it.
Oathkeeper
Member
I was watching the recent subbed Hashino interview just now, and he mentions
, then says something about 'the dilemma of choosing whether or not to do it'. I wonder if that hints at choices that actually affect the story like in Catherine? Or optional dungeons maybe?
breaking into a bank
A Dead Diehard
Member
Will you choose to be a gutless do-gooder, or a criminal consumed by their pathological greed?
That actually doesn't sound like too bad a pitch...
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
I just noticed Alice. Must be the new "Die for me!" spell.
StarSketch
Banned
This actually ties into my theory that the Velvet Room is what it is as a warning. If you can play the game in a way where the cast abuses their power, it might lead to a bad end. Given how Protag looks like he's absolutely estatic about his power, this is totally a possibility.
the_sun_king
Member
There's a new fansubbed version of the PV that translates nearly all the UI text and at the 3:10 mark if the translation is correct,
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the percentage meter refers to "Do You believe in the hearts of the Phantom Thieves?" - I'm guessing that perhaps the public notoriety of the Phantom Thieves plays as some kind of gameplay mechanic. Maybe whether you choose to steal more than just hearts contributes to this in some fashion? Here's a direct link to the scene in question; definitely pause it as it goes by quick
A Dead Diehard
Member
Igor does mention "your rehabilitation" at the end of the trailer...
Well shit, now I need to see fanart of Sakura decked in witch outfit saying that
I like that my hope for a party member is close to becoming a reality.
Always wanted a Hermit arcana party member.
StarSketch
Banned
Yeah, and I think the only other persona user with that arcana is Jin, right? It's about time.
StarSketch
Banned
Double posting but I just remembered that Aigis's first Persona, Palladion is a specific statue of Athena. So we have had items as Personas before. It's a bit different than Necronomicon though.
Pretty sure that was mistranslated.
And that it's asking if you believe in The Phantom Thieves of Hearts, which is the name of the gang.
In all the dungeons scenes you can see: "Steal the heart of 'insert name of boss enemy' " and in one scene there is the additional goal of "Steal the heart of Futaba".
So I remember someone saying something about this,
specifically that stealing Futaba's heart was an objective in one of the dungeons. I asked Mystic for confirmation, and sure enough the objective in the Staff Interview says to take her heart to apparently "prevent an X-day", whatever that means. Doesn't confirm she's outright antagonistic, but that she is a target, at least.
the_sun_king
Member
Oh, I had a feeling that it wasn't 100% accurate in its translation,
but I think my hypothesis still stands that that percentile meter is related to the group's public notoriety and there's probably some gameplay mechanics to increase it throughout the game.
CrimsonFist
Member
Feels like the objectives are a replacement for dungeon floors to measure progression. Makes me wonder how the game will restrict your progress though. I doubt they'll bring back the fatigue system from P3, but just having it be SP in P4 made leaving dungeons quickly become a non-issue.
I think spoiling plot stuff/speculation that isn't immediately obvious from the trailers is reasonable.
I think spoiling plot stuff/speculation that isn't immediately obvious from the trailers is reasonable.
I'm not sure either. I'm thinking analyst stuff should probably be under spoiler tags.
I say err on the side of caution for now. I edited spoiler tags back into mine.
the_sun_king
Member
I'm just being safe because we technically don't have an official English translation for a lot of this stuff. But if it's okay to unmark this speculation, I can do that in the future.
StarSketch
Banned
Ah, ok.
Guy needs a break, anyway. A lot of people need a break.
cj_iwakura
Member
I find it hilarious that the most critical person of P5 is Dantis, by a country mile. Like I don't think I've seen any other complaints anywhere, apart from maybe the pandering stuff.
Not to mention that the group seems really suprised when she starts to help out via hacking, saying something like "She's helping us!?"
So, if they're surprised she is helping then it is by no means a stretch to assume she is antagonistic at the start.
Like a reverse ikutsuki situation.
No, I'm not being accusatory, I'm just saying that I thought the consensus was that officially released Persona 5 media was allowed in this thread, but that looking further into it had been spoilered. Pretty sure that discussion had been had already.
DrunkShogun
Member
The juice will return in the eventual spinoff game. Wasn't a sign of him in p4 but he was everywhere in the spinoffs.
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
I thought from the latest trailer that it's likely
you'll be fighting each party member before they join the gang. Both Bikesona girl and Adieu lady look like they're going to fight you in the scenes we seem them being introduced.
Also, I think the Bike Persona is great, in the same way it was brilliant to see Personas playing musical instruments in P4D.
Morgana is introducing the Adieu Lady, it looks like. If we fight her, it's not revealed in the trailer.
Well, wasnt there some debate about spoilers earlier this year when some posted plot points about P3 while someone was playing. Think there was a bit of drama.
The spoiler policy in this thread seems to switch back and forth so i tagged just in case.
CrimsonFist
Member
Yeah, Punchy looks kind of antasgonistic when she's first shown too, although that could just be the awakening.
Wonder why Morgana seems to be with Adieu though.
Persona 3 and Persona 4 plot points have always been stated to be spoilered in here.
That and Persona 1 too, of course.
cj_iwakura
Member
Persona 2, though? Go nuts.
Worse than dead, forgotten.
Worse than forgotten, not localized.
Worse than forgotten, not localized.