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Persona Community Thread |OT9| SPOILER TAGS OR DIE
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Inquisitive_Ghost
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Did you watch the English stream?
Morgana claims to be a human that lost their form somehow but doesn't seem to know anything about it or have any actual memories to this point.
Which seems like it could go in all kinds of directions.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
Reading this thread must be both amusing and frustrating for the people that played the Japanese version yet can't say anything.
Yeah, tell me about it. I wanna discuss the whole story, but I'm saving it for private conversations with people who have also played it/spoiled themselves.
MudoSkills
Volcano High Alumnus (Cum Laude)
I have popped into the thread again just to say never forget:
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
I wanna discuss the whole story too, but I know I'd regret it. :B
I have popped into the thread again just to say never forget:
It's frustrating to think I was so excited to play both P5 and Zelda in 2015.
Actually,
the party just asks and Morgana says he's a guy. He doesn't know what he may have used to be, but he identifies himself as a guy.
A Dead Diehard
Member
There is one thing that needs to be discussed though, and it's Ann's butt pose when she gets knocked down.
What is going there, it's so damn out of character lmao.
It's probably just one of those things they think is funny but isn't. *shrug*
There is one thing that needs to be discussed though, and it's Ann's butt pose when she gets knocked down.
What is going there, it's so damn out of character lmao.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
because I can only find the gif, I wont embed this
http://49.media.tumblr.com/72351e3e49342aafbef930ad2de5ff90/tumblr_ndnljusZqA1qckkfko1_r1_500.gif
JP find it funny
http://49.media.tumblr.com/72351e3e49342aafbef930ad2de5ff90/tumblr_ndnljusZqA1qckkfko1_r1_500.gif
JP find it funny
What do you mean out of character? Just look at those people's outfits, they're clearly into some kinky shit. One could even say, perhaps some sort of... roleplaying.There is one thing that needs to be discussed though, and it's Ann's butt pose when she gets knocked down.
What is going there, it's so damn out of character lmao.
I did chuckle, but more from the stupidity than anything else, really.
A Dead Diehard
Member
I can give it that.
"Teehee! That's so out of place!"
Because of course
he
There is one thing that needs to be discussed though, and it's Ann's butt pose when she gets knocked down.
What is going there, it's so damn out of character lmao.
yusuke
BRSxIgnition
Member
X-post from the news thread:
I genuinely wonder how they will handle the localization effort this time around, as from what I've heard, P5 is a different beast than past games in multiple ways.
The Broken Japanese/English conversations, the additional dubbing of originally ubdubbed lines, the inclusion of dual audio...
One has to wonder how they will handle it all.
Will the Japanese voice track also have newly recorded lines to match the content of the English Dub? Will they translate lines differently than in the past so they work with both tracks? What can they possibly do about the sections where characters use broken English/Japanese?
So many questions...
I genuinely wonder how they will handle the localization effort this time around, as from what I've heard, P5 is a different beast than past games in multiple ways.
The Broken Japanese/English conversations, the additional dubbing of originally ubdubbed lines, the inclusion of dual audio...
One has to wonder how they will handle it all.
Will the Japanese voice track also have newly recorded lines to match the content of the English Dub? Will they translate lines differently than in the past so they work with both tracks? What can they possibly do about the sections where characters use broken English/Japanese?
So many questions...
Equality! That's what truly matters. xD
The Japanese VA for one of the SL characters is dead, so I doubt they'll record more Japanese lines. As for the broken English, haven't they dealt with that before? Didn't Mitsuru's English in the JP version change to French in the dub?
StarSketch
Banned
Yeah, but
one of the lines is coming from Ryuji at US customs. What he says has to be in English for it to make sense.
....Well I mean I GUESS they could just flip that line to Japanese since the line is literally just
HELLO I AM JAPANESE
Yeah she spoke english in the japanese version.
To be fair its not out of the question to replace a voice actor who died (will happen to some of Miyu's roles, like Hisui from Tsukihime, I imagine. Should they ever, y'know, actually put out a sequel or finish the remake. Which'll be never...isn't it sad, Sacchin...), but it does put a damper on it all the same.
I don't honestly see them recording new lines in Japanese, myself.
A Dead Diehard
Member
do you guys think they'll subtitle the mid-battle quips that the characters make for the japanese audio DLC? i'm considering doing my first playthough with the JP audio, but i'd hate to miss out on those battle quotes. might just end up doing my first playthrough with the english dub and save the japanese audio for a NG+
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
No, because there's no programming precedent within the game to insert subtitles there.
No, they gonna handle it like they did in Tokyo Mirage Sessions , thats the best example for a localized Atlus game with japanese audio so far
Another reason im not too hot about the subs only choice we miss at least like 10-15 % of dialogue in battle
Like they say earlier i think all re-done or new lines are gonna be english exclusive since is the dub they are working out now , the japanese one is gonna be exactly the one they already had in the import version , no is like they cant get the cast again just to see how willing is Atlus japan to help them this time which always are the villains lol
CrimsonFist
Member
Please be excited for the Persona 5 International Edition rerelease in Japan next year, now with a slightly extended dub!
Plus which parts of the game are not already voiced where they can add more voiced dialogue... coop (confidants) maybe since i see they are like in P3 and P4 where only rank 1 / 10 are fully voiced and the rest of the link use random generic one liners
I think maybe there can add more to make it significant and noticeable
I think maybe there can add more to make it significant and noticeable
BRSxIgnition
Member
Oh damn...
Hm... I wonder how they could handle things like these...
Huh, never knew this - it worked fine there though.
Yeah, that makes sense. Guess it was a mix of the enunciation and the vocals from the music mixing together. I think it'll be much less of an issue in-game, since the line's guaranteed to have text to go with it, either from a dialogue bubble or cutscene subtitles.
I mean, I don't know the context for the line, but using simple present tense would imply that the preying hasn't stopped or that it might happen again. The line strikes me as a typical "the hunter has become the hunted" line.
Honestly, some obviously-localized lines aside, I've noticed that a lot of the lines in P5 are kind of wooden, almost like they were translated more literally. The entire conversation where Morgana's explaining how the palace works to Ryuji just doesn't sit well with me. I'm looking at the website right now, and parts of it seem even more literal. "Change the hearts of corrupted adults! An exciting phantom thief life!" sounds like something that could only come out of Japan, and is like one step removed from a shonen anime episode title.
I adored Virtue's Last Reward's localized script quality, yet Zero Time Dilemma's was a big step down, partly because so much of it was so literal. I think it'd be a big mistake for P5 to take a similar shift, especially considering the standards set by the writing of the other games.
BRSxIgnition
Member
Yeah, I hope that they don't go too literal with their translations - some changes are needed to retain the flow; it's a hard balance to master.
On one hand, there need to be changes in English so that things don't sound so stilted. On the other, things need to remain close to the Japanese dub so that Dual Audio still makes sense.
On top of both of those, there's the English/Japanese lines to worry about...
Cannon_Fodder
Member
In regards to the bolded, how close do they really need to be? Seems to me the obvious solution is to write the most fluid and natural script possible in English. There will invariably be differences with the exact Japanese dialogue, but it will essentially be the same thing said two different ways.
R_thanatos
Member
It's good to be warry about spoilers , but not every detail about the characters are a major spoilers.
It is still something to hide for those who want to trully be in the dark when playing the first time, however.
BRSxIgnition
Member
Well, it really depends - personally I believe that writing it to be fluid and natural is more important than exact, literal translations, but there comes a point where what the sub says and what the dub is saying are noticeably different. It's mainly an issue for people who know vocal/emotional cues from anime subs and will be able to notice the difference, but it's something to be aware of regardless.
Someone in the delay news thread mentioned Valkyria Chronicles 1, and it's a pretty accurate example of what I mean.
A Dead Diehard
Member
Kind of puts the wait into perspective, don't it? :/
Cannon_Fodder
Member
I'm not really familiar with Valkyria Chronicles (only played about half of it back when it released). Mind giving me a Cliff Notes version of what you mean? Or a place where I can read up about it?
As for people being able to tell the difference in lines from exposure to anime, that's exactly the kind of thing I don't think matters. For example, at one point Ryuji says "Ikuzo!" in Japanese, which is a pretty common phrase most people who watch anime will recognize as some variation of "Let's go!" In the English script, he says "Bring it!" Seems to me that's just two different ways to convey the same idea--that Ryuji is ready to fight. I think that as long as the impression on the viewer is the same, it doesn't matter what the specifics are.
What I'm trying to get at is that the script should avoid the kind of awkward phrasing that comes from trying to match the Japanese too closely, especially if the only major downside is that someone thinks things don't line up 100%. I'm not suggesting that the English script change the motivations of characters or the intent of a piece of dialogue.
BRSxIgnition
Member
It's been a while since I've played Valkyria Chronicles with the Japanese Dub, so I'll let another user shed some light on it:
I agree with you - here's hoping that they don't translate super literally simply out of fear of not matching the Dual Audio 100%.
The English/Japanese dialogue will be interesting, however... They need that to work in English as well as Dual Audio Japanese w/ English Subs... Maybe have two separate versions of the script, one that changes that scene to somehow work in English (For the English Dub), and one that leaves it as it was? (For the Japanese Dub)
Cannon_Fodder
Member
Thanks for the quote about Valkyria Chronicles, I hadn't heard anything about that before. I'm kinda jealous that person knew enough Japanese from 6 months to pick out context from conversations; I studied it for a year and consider myself lucky when I understand anything, haha.
I doubt there's any programming to display two completely different subtitles for the same piece of dialogue, so Atlus USA would probably need Atlus Japan's support to implement anything like that. This might be my bias as a dub fan, but I think that for the number of times that the characters speak complete sentences in broken English isn't worth the headache of multiple scripts. It'll be weird to hear one thing in broken English while reading something completely different, but this will only happen a handful of times in an 80+ hour game that one must play with an optional download voice track. That sounds like something that would be pretty far down the priority list to me.
BRSxIgnition
Member
To be clear, I wasn't refering to two full, completely different scripts - but one that treated those specific scenes one way, and the other that treated them another way.
Ann is sexualised pretty badly. Her awakening scene is the only one with sexual overtones to it as well.There is one thing that needs to be discussed though, and it's Ann's butt pose when she gets knocked down.
What is going there, it's so damn out of character lmao.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
You're saying P5 is guilty of telling you that something is bad while still totally doing it anyway? Where have I seen that before?
YoRHa No.2 Type B
Banned
Funyarinpa
Member
There is one thing that needs to be discussed though, and it's Ann's butt pose when she gets knocked down.
What is going there, it's so damn out of character lmao.
Seems more goofy and slapstick to me.
CrimsonFist
Member
The banner said that the stream was showing the PS4 version. The PS3 version is still coming out.
It's coming to PS3. The special edition is PS4 exclusive, however.
No Switch version has been confirmed at all.
Ah, thanks. Also did the stream show off the English UI of the
cellphone