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Persona Community Thread: The Butterfly Effect
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I guess that's something, though it doesn't sound like that's part of the story or anything and I usually don't replay through these games. Well, it's not like the character the player doesn't pick is excluded from the story, so it's fine.
buddha0991
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They kind of are.
If you pick Nanjo, you get 2 short dungeons and a boss fight against a familiar foe. It develops his character. If you pick Eriko, you get one long dungeon and a few boss fights, which also develops her character. I may be missing some more btw.
Maki only shows up in one of the routes, I believe, also.
I won't read that right now since I'm just at the factory dungeon, but at least so far they've stayed together in the story. Guess it'll be interesting to see what diverges based on that later.
Some of them do. Then we have Frederick, whose wearing a suit under his armor and whatever this guy is supposed to be. It's really a matter of practical gear/clothing, which is what FE (mostly) used to have.
I'll start answering seriously when you stop assuming that I'm only talking about wanting to fuck fictional characters.
buddha0991
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OH YES.
one of the paths features cameos by an P1 character and Lisa, another features a cameo from another P1 character and Eikichi.
Robot girls > other anime cliches, man. Who can resist Aigis?
But there is a time and place for discussing marriage in Fire Emblem: Awakening. Given the existence of second generation characters, there's a lot of discussion in regards to who passes on the best skills, bonuses, stat caps or classes to what characters (especially when some classes and thus their skills are exclusive to one gender or the other), and yes, there's a lot of discussion of the marriage supports themselves. I don't see anything inappropriate with talking about who's the most appropriate or natural partner (as the escalation into proposals in the S-Rank events can get pretty silly) to what character given the existence of the support conversation mechanics, and if your problem lays with the potential self-insertion with your avatar unit and a character in the game, it's not like it's that much different in Persona 3 or 4.
What I'm most confused by is that you're directly equating the more stylized character designs to people talking about marriages in the games, anyways. It's not like people would somehow be talking less about marriages if Senri Kita were responsible for the character designs or something.
buddha0991
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I'd rather be bros with Rasputin
TurnipFritters
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What I think is funny is using Tiki as an example of how ridiculous and impractical the new designs are when Tiki's designs has literally always been "short pink dress"
And using Caeda as an example of how the designs used to be practical when the Pegasus Knights in FEA look almost exactly the same:
e: isn't putting images in quotes supposed to make them smaller
This is where we fight.
buddha0991
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But he is kind of right, man. As a person who doesn't like anime all that much, he is pretty right.
Can it be a knife fight?
TurnipFritters
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fight it out
It's handled a lot more tastefully than other anime games. I don't think anyone would disagree with your statemen...
.... damnit Dantis.
TurnipFritters
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buddha0991
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damn it Turnip beat me to it
What you're talking about, I'm fine with. Talking about Marriage as a game mechanic is fine. I'm talking about mostly seeing people talk about it from the perspective of "omg I can marry my self insert off with so and so character". I never see people talking about it as a game mechanic (I don't go to the OT, mind you. I'm talking outside of GAF.)
My problem isn't even the fact with those things (the character design included) being in the game, it's that Fire Emblem all of a sudden has characters with charms on their sword handles, thigh high garter stockings everywhere, impractical maid outfits or just plain out ridiculous armor design. If this is the future for the series, it's a very bitter pill to swallow cause the practicality of the character design was one of the reasons I liked FE characters to begin with. Excuse me if I'm not automatically in love with the change in style.
People seem to use the term "anime" in a very negative sense tho. Tropes and Cliches of the worst kind.
Yeah it's a shame they do too, because less people experience something so great because they can be so uptight about it.
I went through a long "Anime is for jerks" phase where I wouldn't have any part of it. It was actually Persona that got me watching it again and playing JRPGs and other "anime" games regularly.
buddha0991
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Thats so Turnip
TurnipFritters
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That's so "Guy who lets Die For Me! mutate into Patra"
buddha0991
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I let Megidolaon mutate into Bufu once in nocturne
It'll be a ratings hit!
buddha0991
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only if you include old Dante riding by on one of the missiles in the background
Oh and DOOM should be doin some hidden missiles
TurnipFritters
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do you feel there is a practical difference between thigh high stockings (like the ones caeda is wearing in the picture you linked as an example of "good" design) and thigh high boots (like the ones every pegasus knight in FE1/3/the remakes of those games wear)?
there are actually legit bad character designs in awakening (yarne and panne, dark mages, Aversa), but you've yet to actually hit on them. a good point you could use for your argument is comparing the designs of OG Tiki from the NES/SNES versions (or the DS remakes) to Nowi's design.
I don't actually recall a character dressed like a maid (there are a bunch of maid costumes in P3 and P4 though!!)
buddha0991
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A maid AND a robot IN A CLASSIC SMT GAME. Take that evildoers!
buddha0991
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Ippon Datara sure is Kawaii
SloaneRisette
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Hidden missiles? Needs more Foot Dive!
cj_iwakura
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Shame I never recognized the Mary references in Raidou. Makes the foreshadowing of Soul Hackers pretty awesome.
You meet her 5 seconds into the game.
I haven't played the game yet (it's on it's way though!), so I only have the main characters to look at. I only really linked to Caeda as an example of an FE12 design versus an FE13 design. I would have rather linked to an FE7 one, but really, you should get the gist of what I'm saying. It's completely fair to not like the sudden shift in character design within the span of one game (more so when there's been 12 games setting a certain precedent beforehand), just like it's totally ok for fans of P1 and 2 to have been bothered by the style in P3/4, though at least those had a warning that they'd be radically different on purpose. You're right in that I could have linked a worse offender when it comes to character design in 13, I just wanted to highlight two similar ones.
The difference between the Pegasus Knights in the older games and 13 is that they didn't all have garter belts. I'd only really compare to the P4 if suddenly every main character were to to dress up like Marie.
(Quoting an image doesn't necesarilly make it smaller, it just automatically resizes it to the resolution of however's looking at the image)
CrazyTank940
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Everything's better with a foot dive and finger lasers.
I actually like her design. I never really noticed the maid outfit myself... although one could argue it's a typical medic/nurse like outfit too.
Supermanisdead
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But he's right!
It's the apron in the front, but she looks more like a medic/nurse type.
TurnipFritters
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Yeah Mary is p. terrible (and only terrible people like her) so obviously she had to be featured prominently on the website for the 3DS version.
How about if all the P4 characters started wearing glasses.
I wouldn't say Lissa dresses like a Maid, but she is one of the stupid character designs.
She is a healer/Cleric in the game after all.
I will treat this comment as an act of war!
Yeah I remember that from the demo, but I didn't pay attention to the designs too much.
cj_iwakura
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As maid characters go, Mary is very tolerable. She's calm and reserved.
Also, need more OT title suggestions. I had some great ideas and can't recall them, but Poltergeist In The Shell is a front runner.
Also, need more OT title suggestions. I had some great ideas and can't recall them, but Poltergeist In The Shell is a front runner.
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