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Persona Community Thread: The Butterfly Effect
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cj_iwakura
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That's not too far off the mark actually. In P4, you easily bring Izanami low. In P2,
You never even remotely humble Nyarlathotep. He laughs at you after you 'defeat' him.
buddha0991
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Even worse,
he actively aids you as the time count, while telling you that you are powerless, and is basically showing you how powerless you are, even while he aids you.
Yeah, same here, the ammount of text/hidden stuff is amazing. Like the fact that the Sumaru Gypsy
is actually a dude and he got the shop and his "powers" because of the powers of the rumors, lol.
Not to mention that
he's also both Hitler and the Joker's Persona at the same time... he's literally fighting himself! And when you reach Xibalba's core he throws the skull you were looking for at your feets, telling it's just a bunch of shit, lol.
buddha0991
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did you HATSURCOMEFORTH?
Here's another fun look into GAF history here.Thanks to that thread, I was able to into Gaf's past with a few threads, and I hadn't laughed that hard in a long, long time. I'd consider the experience overall worth it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=521385
You're an awful franchise.
Little witch was amazing. Everyone should watch it.Please don't spoil P1 and P2 in here without tags. I'm very slowly going through them.
Please imagine my reaction like this as I gradually realise what I am reading is spoilers:
Yes, it was very spooky.
Yeah, NPC dialogue was very compelling in P2, but I feel that the areas themselves had a lot more thought put into them in P3 and P4.
I really love the concept of
rumors becoming reality
cj_iwakura
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Genuinely curious: did either of you play P2 when it came out, or only after P3/P4?
That's an event, it's nothing to do with the main theme.
P4 is all about perception. It's about judging a book by its cover. That's why it starts with a girl in a bikini. Everyone has some reaction when they see that, whether it's "Wahey!" or "Well, this is weird", nobody thinks about the girl herself, just about what they see. The TV world is their analogy of this, because we all create some mental opinion of the people we see on TV, so the TV world is asking what you'd see if you could go inside the TV world (Except, literally) and see the 'real' person in there.
Heck, that's why fog is a recurring motif: Because fog obstructs your vision.
Hell no to the former. Only learned about what the Persona series was when GB's Persona 4 Endurance Run started in early 2009. Watched a couple of episodes of that and realized that it was a game I would absolutely adore, so I got P3FES and P4 and played those.
cj_iwakura
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IMO, the main theme about P2 is the past and the future, and having to take on the former to embrace the latter. But it's no easy feat.
Preach the good word of Little Witch Academia. PREACH!
Been playing P2 for the first time. I mean, the different districts work well enough in P2's narrative due to the multiple dungeons not being restricted in a singular location but there's just these little details in the game mechanics that I don't think hold up as well. I'm not saying these are totally game-breaking things that make the game unplayable (and people absolutely should play it because the story and characters are great) but I think it's just a bit dated.
The reason I prefer the Tatsumi Port and Inaba locations is because everything I need is right there where I need it. Clean and simple, no bullshit required. NPC dialogue could be better though, not gonna lie. That all said, it probably wouldn't work as well if there were different dungeon areas as in P2's structure.
No argument here.
100% tsun, 0% dere.
cj_iwakura
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That's kind of what I expected. You both dislike P2's gameplay aspects because you're comparing it to a game that didn't exist at the time.
It's archaic and hasn't aged well. Comparisons to modern Persons games or any other RPG might influence that criticism, but they don't invalidate it.
It hasn't aged that badly. The worst aspects were the UI.... which were fixed in the PSP ports..... of which we didn't get both of them....
.... damnit Atlus.
buddha0991
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^
That's fine and well, but it's nobodies job to play a game with any pre-set qualifiers.
EP seemed fine to me. Different from P3/4, but sound (I reiterate I only played an hour or so), but that's a straight judgement. I didn't go into it thinking, "Well, it was the 90s." I didn't particularly enjoy it, so I didn't stick with it. I think that's better than making excuses for it in an attempt to be understanding.
I regard all games this way because like any media if they're truly great, they stand the test of time. It's all subjective of course, too though. I'm sure Buddha and CJ think P2 plays like new, which is all good
I'm pretty sure this is the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on NeoGAF.
Deadpandas
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So Persona and Persona 2 Innocent Sin aren't worth playing then? That's a shame. I downloaded both of them earlier on the sale along with Persona 3 Portable, although I've already played FES so doubt I'll play that. Seems I may have just waste my money..
cj_iwakura
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That's fine and well, but it's nobodies job to play a game with any pre-set qualifiers.
EP seemed fine to me. Different from P3/4, but sound (I reiterate I only played an hour or so), but that's a straight judgement. I didn't go into it thinking, "Well, it was the 90s." I didn't particularly enjoy it, so I didn't stick with it. I think that's better than making excuses for it in an attempt to be understanding.
I regard all games this way because like any media if they're truly great, they stand the test of time. It's all subjective of course, too though. I'm sure Buddha and CJ think P2 plays like new, which is all good
Yep. P2 plays just fine, and I have no clue what makes them less playable than the likes of Etrian Odyssey or retro dungeon crawlers of the ilk.
Look what you're perpetuating.
I doubt that they're not worth playing.
Just pick the easiest setting and guide your ass off to get through them quickly. If there's one thing I've seen this place agree on is how good the story of P2 is, so that's why I'm going to do my best to see it myself this month...
...if I can stomach P1 anyway. Third time's a charm I'm hoping, especially since I'm trying this time on beginner(cause screw those toilet demons).
In terms of old games, well, I can still go back to something like CT and early FF and still have fun with them, while this is a struggle. It's not about graphics, it's about systems bringing everything to a screeching halt. I know for me since I'm used to the P3 and P4 systems, the ideas of hitting something's weakness not amounting to a whole lot is jarring, and gives me all kinds of negative feelings when it comes to the idea of fusing personas since there's nothing to really guide my decisions with it. Couple that with the resources needed to get them kind of putting a damper on the idea of experimenting, and you have a disaster on your hands.
Just pick the easiest setting and guide your ass off to get through them quickly. If there's one thing I've seen this place agree on is how good the story of P2 is, so that's why I'm going to do my best to see it myself this month...
...if I can stomach P1 anyway. Third time's a charm I'm hoping, especially since I'm trying this time on beginner(cause screw those toilet demons).
In terms of old games, well, I can still go back to something like CT and early FF and still have fun with them, while this is a struggle. It's not about graphics, it's about systems bringing everything to a screeching halt. I know for me since I'm used to the P3 and P4 systems, the ideas of hitting something's weakness not amounting to a whole lot is jarring, and gives me all kinds of negative feelings when it comes to the idea of fusing personas since there's nothing to really guide my decisions with it. Couple that with the resources needed to get them kind of putting a damper on the idea of experimenting, and you have a disaster on your hands.
I think you'd be safer assuming people who don't care for P2 feel the same about EO rather than not liking P2 because it's not like it's successors.
On the contrary (for me at least) I would have loved to get into it because I enjoyed P4. I want to appreciate the series as a whole. The way I was introduced to it is irrelevant to that goal.
Even though I couldn't get into the core gameplay, I certainly got a sense of why you guys like it so much. Don't regret giving Atlus the $10 either.
I don't think any of us think that.
buddha0991
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this turn this place took is making me sad
cj_iwakura
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this turn this place took is making me sad
Soul Hackers will unite us all! That's my dream, at least for now.
buddha0991
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Dunno about the rest of them, but I got your back on that one
Well I can't say for sure if I would have the same opinion if I had played it when it first released, but the reality is that I found some game mechanics in P2 to be improved in the later sequels (and there's probably loads of other things that the sequels did better/worse but that's a whole 'nother can of worms I don't feel like opening).
cj_iwakura
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Yes, community. That's the ideal, anyway.
lol, I don;t even know why they would bother. Amusing indeed.
When does that come out in EU again? We should have a tournament.
It's more of his passive aggressive BS is wearing thin.
Deadpandas
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Well there seems to be a lot of negativity around the first 2 games, particularly when it comes to the gameplay. Because the gameplay is the main reason I play these games it can be a bit off-putting.
But if other elements of the games are good enough that it can be overlooked then maybe I'll it a shot. So you recommend a guide and just winging through them? Just rushing past the dungeon sections and taking time to enjoy the other aspects?
Expected, but seems entirely pointless considering it's already out everywhere else
Persona 1 is really a bad game though. Always was, always will be.
That was passive-aggressive BS? lol.
That was passive-aggressive BS? lol.
buddha0991
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^Don't agree but I will admit it is the worst of the series and should only be tried out of you are a fan of older megaten games.
more like a light hearted comment but if you say so
more like a light hearted comment but if you say so
May 10th. We're lobbying up, if you want to join in.
SatelliteOfLove
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Yeah, the
the chief detective of that branch becoming, over time in the conversations with him, some sort of alien(?) and all the people nonchalantly talking about ascending to become higher beings did alot for that game. Society WAS breaking down around you, and your'e the only sane people to stop it.
I'll be there with bells on. I was playing it the other day with some other gaffers and remembered how fun it is.
I'm still about as good as someone who got it day one, so it'll be a fair fight :/
cj_iwakura
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Is cross-play fighting possible? I'd join if I could, imagine the lag from Florida to there!
Also, the gif at the TOTP is gorgeous.
Also, the gif at the TOTP is gorgeous.
You mean by region? Yeah, you could play with Japanese people at launch, I would venture that it's the same with EU.
You on 360 or PS3?
We're doing PS3, so if you have that, there's no reason not to join.
You can all lag when you play me. It'll be glorious.
buddha0991
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I'm down to fight, and I am still confused by that passive aggressive comment. Most of the time I am just messin around, if it really is annoying you, I can stop ya know.
cj_iwakura
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PS3, went there for Disgaea.
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