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Persona Series Story & Spoilers, P4G Reflection, Persona 5 Speculation Inevitable
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we.are.the.armada
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Do you feel sorry for close friend? Have you ever thought that this person is not good enough to be your friend, but you still hang out with them? Do you compare your looks or wealth to them? Does it make you feel good to know that they have less than you do? Could you ever admit that you think they are a loser? Does it feel nice knowing that even if you are pathetic, your friend is even more so?
Do tell.
I would've made Nametame the Aeon social link over Marie. My understanding was that Kunino-Sagiri isn't actually Nametame's shadow, and he never confronts his other side during the story. Why add a new character who isn't necessary to the plot when you can expand on a central character? It's one of the reasons I liked the Aeon addition to FES.
cj_iwakura
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Aiya should've been the Aeon social link.
Good point, yeah.
You mean Aika. And yes, I would've preferred her, too. Hasn't she become popular in the fandom after the anime?
I would have liked this too, as it would have worked incredibly well with Adachi's social link also being added to the game.
ShockingAlberto
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Marie was an overall terrible character whom I hated and actively drove me nuts when I just wanted to fuse but her poetry stood between me and new Personas.
I would have it that Marie's S Link was either more heavily integrated into the plot overall (Making her a party member, and therefore present for trips and the like would have been a great addition), or that she had no relevance to the plot overall, which would allow her to have a much more interesting plotline.
As it is, most of her S Links are spent saying "Hey, here's a party member! Woah, Marie said something tactless, that's so funny! I'm going home now!".
And then her dungeon plot is basically "I'm a cog in a machine you never wanted to know about, feel sorry for me because I'm an anime cliche!
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Needs more Saori.
As it is, most of her S Links are spent saying "Hey, here's a party member! Woah, Marie said something tactless, that's so funny! I'm going home now!".
And then her dungeon plot is basically "I'm a cog in a machine you never wanted to know about, feel sorry for me because I'm an anime cliche!
".Needs more Saori.
Yeah I don't really like her all that much either. Her design annoys me more than her personality tho. She just doesn't mesh well with the P4 cast. I might even be tempted to just skip past her text in the social link.
meltingparappa
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I forgive her character's lack of integration because it would have been so much extra work to include her.
At least in P3, you could have an extra character in most of the scenes just sit there as Mitsuru or Ikutsuki lectured exposition at them, but the P4 characters talk amongst themselves a lot, which is pretty impressive since by the end there are a million of them.
Her design is still absolutely garish compared to the other character's though.
But then her dungeon was absolutely worth it as an excuse to include the Reincarnation track.
Also I didn't realize it at the time, but the Persona 4 anime has at least one amazing reinterpretation of a Meguro track, even if it's 'Battle For Everyone's Souls' version 2.
Meatvillain
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I quite liked Marie tbh, though her social link disappointed me, since it felt like it didn't really go anywhere. I really enjoyed her dungeon and its story, though.
The whole anime soundtrack is amazing. Beauty of Destiny and Sky's the Limit are both better than anything on Golden and Arena. Not to mention Ain't Nobody Can Hold Me Down, Key Plus Words, Determination and (Obviously) The Bond of Everyone's Souls.
WrenchNinja
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We are One and All?
Not bad, but horrendously cheesy, even by Persona standards.
It went somewhere. It was the classic anime trope of: Amnesia -> Makes new friends -> Starts to regain memory -> Actual origins are personally horrifying -> New friends help he/she overcome the aforementioned horrors -> Happy ending
Not any more cheesey than Nevermore was.
Doesn't she have the clothes (sans hat) in the beginning before the game started? >_>;
meltingparappa
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Her description of the velvet room was hilariously weird. The idea is that she just sits there bored as Igor and Margaret remain completely silent, presumably in the same pose you see them in.
(something something the room is shaped by the mind of the protagonist something inhabitants are metaphysical and not just the bodies that you see something something)
She says in the social link that Margaret gave her everything including her name. The whole plot boggles the mind when you think about it too hard.
Not any more cheesey than Nevermore was.
Wut.
Never More is like Snowflakes. It's poignant and nice. One and All is silly.
Yeah. She's already met Margaret at that point though.
WrenchNinja
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I liked her. Her social link is kind of familiar territory with a character from P4 and someone from P3 but that was okay to me. I thought the addition of her in the newer post case content was a good way to help resolve another character's story and also sort of explained something I hadnt thought about before. It is definitely self contained.
Well that makes a whole lot of not making sense. >_>;
Ah. That does actually explain why she is a fashionetta with a horrible sense of fashion. Doesn't explain why she continues to wear such awful clothes, but...
Yes.
The way I interpreted it is that because she's lost her memory, she has no form. She's an abstract being. She finds her way into the Velvet Room (As people so often seem to) and Margaret gave her the physical looks that we know. Which is also why she's called Marie, presumably, to carry on the Frankenstein references.
By the epilogue she's changed them, so there you go.
By the epilogue she's changed them, so there you go.
Yeah why the hell didn't she do that sooner? It looks SOOO much better and I'm not even talking about how she meshes with the rest of the cast! >.<;
Which begs the question: Do Marge and Igor not know anything at all about her actual origins? Is Marge really just training her as her apprentice? Marie says Igor never says anything, which I'm sure is just another VR joke, but hey, he isn't all knowing.
While I do like her first look, her look in the epilogue is really great.
Glasses? Oh hell yes.
I don't think they care. People can only enter the Velvet Room if they are required to, so I think Igor and Margaret just serve their duty and send them on their way.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Holy fuck @ black haired kaji. I couldn't stop laughing.
Well, Igor isn't all knowing according to Persona 2. It's possible they don't know.
Totally want black haired Kanji for P4A.
WrenchNinja
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Neither could Yukiko.
All the epilogue costumes are great. Especially the girls. It's almost weird there are no unlockable costumes based on them.
I like how one of the talking options was "What are you wearing?"
I was very peeved to find that black-haired Kanji isn't a costume.
Sounds about right.
Yeah. It's weird. I dunno, I was like, "Man, these are GREAT redesigns. Like, almost too great to be seen for what amounts to only twenty minutes." Suspicious.
I thought it was weird you didn't get them too. And the skiing outfits. The models are made, so it really wouldn't be that much effort.
I loved the epilogue costumes, but I thought increasing all the girls' chests so considerably was unnecessary.
I also think it would have been neat in Arena if they'd used the epilogue designs, rather than the P4 designs.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Yukiko didn't really change up in the epilogue. I still find her adorable though. I can't help but laugh when she burst into laughter. Its creepy/adorable.
They should be DLC costumes, at least. Alongside Aigis with her trechcoat, P3 Mitsuru/Akihiko/Fuuka, and human form Labrys. :3
I mentioned this before in another thread, but I'm a lot like Yukiko in real life. Thus, any funny scene resulted in twice the laughing fits because I always ended up laughing at HER laughing fits. >_>;
we.are.the.armada
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Chie and Yukiko, man - very convincing relationship between those two. The way the game portrays their disapprobation for their shadow selves makes you wonder about people in real life.
Aigis looks boss in her trench coat. I was going to draw her in that in that picture I did, but I forgot.
Human Labrys is also miiiiiiles better than robot Labrys. If that had been her proper design, I wouldn't have had nearly as much of a problem with her.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Rise blew my mind
I didn't even notice the chest increase, but you've got a point. And I was just thinking today I wish Arena had alt costumes. I want Chie's summer uniform. I know they're sprites, but I hope they work extra costumes into an Arena sequel if one happens.
Yukiko's laugh is adorable. And it's infectious; I found myself laughing at her laughing a lot ^_^
WrenchNinja
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I think it is kind of funny that in May, everyone still looked exactly the same two months after the game and then within three months, everyone decides to completely change their looks. Nanako? Guess ill grow my hair out. Yosuke? Getting a haircut dude. Kanji? Im tired of bleaching and I need glasses, etc.
Maybe they should have done a larger time skip.
Maybe they should have done a larger time skip.
Further proof that really, Arena is non-canon.
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