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Persona Series Story & Spoilers, P4G Reflection, Persona 5 Speculation Inevitable
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meltingparappa
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But every game since the history of mankind has been set in Tokyo.
They should set it on Catherine's space colony, or in a bamboo forest starring a cast of red pandas. Those are the only two environments left.
You don't seem to play very long. I always see your posts an hour after you post em and it's offline.
Yeah getting one of the greatest characters in the franchise killed and being useless as a result does tend to make you hated.
This is actually what I'm picturing it as. I think it will be big and modern. Electronic music. Stylish clothes. That kind of thing.
buddha0991
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She would have to be silent, you wouldn't want her to be silent.
Outside of being a whiney little kid Ken is just boring and in the way in P3. As fem protag he has a cute little crush but still mostly just an annoyance and a way to get a good character killed.
meltingparappa
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I was just sad when my axe investments collapsed because of him.
Although in the Japanese version it does turn Shota. :|
What would a literal translation of the text say? I can't imagine that not being super awkward.
(Assuming google was right about the word shota).
That would actually have been possibly interesting to me personally just because of how certain events occurred when I was about his age.
I dunno, I can't read Japanese, but according to the p3 Wiki, it does turn romantic. Whereas in the localization, they just turned it into a school boy crush.
TurnipFritters
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This is every party member in P3 except for like the dog and the robot, but that's only because the dog's personality is "I am a dog" and the robot's personality is "I am a robot" (and then later "I am a robot and I will always be beside you forever and ever and ever please finger bang my butterfly slot").
meltingparappa
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According to the Megaten wiki (I haven't played P3P) you can't start his social link with Ken until your courage is maxed out.
I know it's so your courage can rub off on him so he can overcome his shyness, but it's better to think you need that courage to make the taboo shota plunge.
I know it's so your courage can rub off on him so he can overcome his shyness, but it's better to think you need that courage to make the taboo shota plunge.
I don't recall being constantly told this about any other party member, except maybe Junpei in the name of humor. But with Ken it was all "Look at how mature he is!" over and over, despite the fact that he acts just like a 10 year old. :\
buddha0991
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One of my friends who likes the series that the fact that the P3 group are NOT friends till the end and some of them are actively against each other or antagonistic makes P3's group dynamic way more interesting than 4's to him.
I really hope they make the towns more memorable and bigger (something akin to Shenmue, even if smaller, would be a dream, wouldn't it?)
P2 did it right, with tons of memorable NPC and places to see during the story. You could explore the police station, the TV, the temple, etc.
Really doubt this will happen. I think more areas are possible, but we won't see anywhere near as much as there is in P2.
Everyone in P3 is an asshole to everyone else. Even Junpei has some grief with the P3 protag. They weren't friends, they were teammates.
Pretty much, except Aegis. Junpei is mad because he didn't get picked to be the leader. But in the female route, he becomes a little more sympathetic towards her in his SL.
Boomaloom! This is exactly what I've always said too. The difference in team dynamics is really interesting and cool. Makes me wonder what P5 will be like.
Supermanisdead
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No, everyone in P3 has a life of their own. I preferred it that way instead of how everyone in P4 seems to worship the ground Yu stands on despite him being a silent, boring dude.
Definitely an exaggeration.
Supermanisdead
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Did any of them even have friends before Yu shows up, besides Chie/Yukiko? The game's worship of the main character was one of my major grievances. Especially from Teddie and Yosuke.
meltingparappa
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Yosuke was pretty new to the area himself and had Saki (ho ho ho). He bonds well with Yu because they're both from the big city.
Kanji was anti-social and the rest of 'em were either new to the town or returning to town. Or they're Teddie.
The athletes had a ton of friends though!
You're missing the point. P4 is about a bunch of loners coming together to be super best friends. They're all outcasts for one reason or another, but they're actually normal people.
Yosuke moved to the city a year ago. Everyone knows him but he doesn't have any close friends.
Chie and Yukiko are buddies.
Kanji is intimidating and anti-social.
Naoto moves around a lot and is also socially handicapped.
Rise lives the sheltered life of an idol.
Teddie lives in a TV.
In all of the contexts, it makes perfect sense for them to not have many close friends. Real people go through phases like that, particularly at that age.
I would say he was friends with Chie/Yukiko, Chie did lend him a DVD after all. How many people would lend something to someone their weren't too familiar with?
Also true.
And he talks about how everyone knows him.
I think the idea is that he's one of those people who everyone likes, but isn't really close to anyone.
Supermanisdead
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Which was laaaaaaaaame. It made me embarrassed that I was their hero. I preferred everyone being cold and too cool/smart to hang out with me in P3.
^Nailed it.
Hell, if you do his S. Link you find out that isn't even the case. Especially this stuff about worshipping Yu?
Yosuke's S. Link contradicts your whole perception of him in particular, Supermanisdead or whatever your name is.
But that's why it was so cool!
In P3, the protagonist is a weirdo and a loner. He hangs around with other oddballs and loners. Yukari talks about her girlfriends all the time, Mitsuru is off pretending she rules the world and Akihiko stares sullenly at the sunset in between punching people.
Tonally, Persona 4 was meant to be opposite of P3, so everyone is warm and fuzzy and best friends and yaaaaaay let's all have a group hug.
It would be neat if Persona 5 was in between these two extremes.
Or it went full MegaTen and removed all human NPCs except for like three other characters.
buddha0991
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In between is Persona 2 but you think that was poorly done right 
The characters in dungeon show more insight on how their friendships are. Kanji and Yosuke for example. Their banter shows how their relationship is. Yosuke teases him but they are buds. At one point Yosuke is rather sad about something and Kanji is silent out of respect for him as the game puts it.
The characters in dungeon show more insight on how their friendships are. Kanji and Yosuke for example. Their banter shows how their relationship is. Yosuke teases him but they are buds. At one point Yosuke is rather sad about something and Kanji is silent out of respect for him as the game puts it.
One of my favourite scenes is when they're all sat around the table studying. Naoto offers to help Kanji with his work, Yosuke asks for help and she says she doesn't know because he's a year ahead, so he calls her useless. She gets flustered and they all laugh.
It really felt like the kind of banter you have in real life.
we.are.the.armada
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Is Kanji saying "fuck it" when doing a critical attack? If not, what is he saying?
Absolutely. The way they argue or rib each other or just talk is astoundingly believable. I've never seen another game do this.
Uncharted is amazing for this. Mostly because they ad-lib a lot of it, and Nolan North is a hilarious person.
More games need it though. Most videogame dialogue is really awful.
SatelliteOfLove
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Yukari.
This is the point I go into my "P4/TitS/Planetscape/Uncharted should set a New Normal for game dialogue henceforth" spiel and I get depressive.
YES! I agree completely. The Uncharted performances are amazingly organic and believable.
TurnipFritters
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You should watch the hidden camera footage in P3Fes, because it's super embarrassing the way everyone keeps fawning all over how ~cool~ and ~inspiring~ the hero is.
Remember when he was made the leader of SEES even though literally everyone involved had more experience than him?
buddha0991
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He is only the field leader. The true leader is Mitsuru
P3 and P4 just raise the bar for JRPGs in general. Little things like menu design, and the presentation of battles are miles ahead of everything else at the time. The HUD for them both is still better than anything else in JRPGs today.
...Is it? I remember it being little extra scenes... Junpei leaving his dorm door open to let in fresh air, Yukari trying on her maid outfit for the festival, Mitsuru revealing that she has no fashion sense...
buddha0991
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Raise the bar in some ways, lower it others
Oh yeah, you nailed it.
To me, P4 felt like self-insert gary stu fanfiction. In P3, and especially 2, i felt like the characters actually were alive and had a life on their own. In P2 you meet Lisa and Michelle's fathers, Lisa's friends at school, her teacher, you get a glimpse of Maya's work life and how the loss of her father affected her, you meet her best friend and visit her room, etc. I'm just making a short list, but it was amazing how much you learned about those characters and how they lived up to the point the joined the party.
Same deal in P3, i liked how in some days, the characters were simply unavailable because they had to take care of their own shit. (Mitsuru and her dad funeral, etc) It made you feel like you weren't at the center of the universe, and even if it was you how lead the party through the Tartarus it was Mitsuru who was basically the leader of the whole operation.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Yup. Which is why p3>>>>>p4 IMO.
Yup. They're very explicit that they only made him the field leader at the time because he had the most experience out of Yukari, Junpei and himself. It was easier just to keep him field leader than switch it up after Mitsuru could go back to combat/Akihiko got better.
Part of the reason Aigis was made Field Leader in The Answer; It was easy to continue as they had been going that way.
I wish more RPGs would take note of the presentation and quality of life improvements done. The slick user interface is way above that of some other RPGs this generation.
I agree with this. It's weird that you never meet anyone's parents or siblings, and you never visit their houses or whatever.
Lowered it? Mmmm, not sure about that one. Maybe in terms of level design, I guess?
buddha0991
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Those are true valid points, but I cannot like p3 more than 2 or 4. Maybe p1's equal.,.
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