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Peter Jennings Reporting: UFOs Seeing Is Believing on ABC @ 8PM EST
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The Shadow
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Diablos said:
Also,
JESUS MOTHERFUCKING CHRIST!
There's a difference between being open-minded and being stupid and gullible. A big difference.
krypt0nian
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Is this viral marketing for the Area 51 game?
Guys?
Guys?
boredJonathan
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The Shadow said:
Agreed, and that is my problem with alot of the websites that follow this stuff, and even Art Bell. I've tried to listen to him several times and I just can't. I need to find a reputable source for these things. Some place that will call something bullshit, but not be afraid to endorse some out there things if the facts begin to pan out.
ManaByte
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Red Mercury said:
Well, yea some of the sites are super whacked out there. But there are some decent ones like http://www.ufoevidence.org/
The Shadow
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Red Mercury said:
Art Bell has always seemed like the Jerry Springer of the spooky world. Hardly an outlet to take the phenomenon seriously in my opinion.
I think he and similar outlets do real investigation a huge disservice, as if it doesn't already have a stigma of being full of kooks.
ManaByte
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Ok just saw the Roswell part of this special and thought it was slanted to disprove it. There have been some really good shows on the History Channel that basically proved that the Air Force reports of '94 and '97 were more BS especially where they were able to get people who said that project Mogul didn't start until the 50's.
Error Macro
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Well, I knew that the Jennings' report would be biased, but I didn't think it would be so blatant. You would think that he could control his tonal inflections when he refers to someone from the believer side.
This special is just about totally worthless. It did remind me that I miss Leonard Nimoy's In Search Of....
This special is just about totally worthless. It did remind me that I miss Leonard Nimoy's In Search Of....
boredJonathan
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Hollywood said:
Agreed. The whole disclosure thing just seems too neat and tidy. I'd imagine that if there was to be any big reveal about aliens visiting our planet we will hear about it when they land in New York City or something like that.
Diablos said:
i didn't read through the rest of this to see if anyone else responded, but it's confirmed that was a complete hoax. completely. power outage was a bad coincidence, but the guy admitted it was fake, etc. the stuff is out there online if you wanna search. it was on tool's website, actually. and they promote this stuff.
not saying anything about ufo's in particular, just that that particular story is indeed a hoax
Cyan said:
Nyet!
Is that really a grammatical rule? That words can be "nouned" in such a manner? I dunno...it could be, but it sounds suspicious. I'm not formally trained in writing, at any rate, so I wouldn't know. Still, you gotta admit that it sounds utterly ridiculous. "It's almost time for the big reveal..." :lol "Revelation", you dolts! It's an alarming trend that must be stopped in its tracked, not tacitly condoned as you seem to be doing, you defiler of the language, you!
boredJonathan
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Loki said:It's an alarming trend that must be stopped in its tracked, not tacitly condoned as you seem to be doing, you defiler of the language, you!
Moo.
Sorry, I was actually trying to figure out how to word that little section because big reveal didn't sound right. Still can't think of something that I like better though.
The long run. The great escape. The eternal download. That flirt. Relaxing drive. Go for the kill. Boring post. Give me a call. ...while we're speaking of forgotten English. Besides, the final judge in language is popularity, unless you want to label most of modern english defiled* already, since a great deal of words have been so successfully altered and mutilated. It's linguistic evolution at work.Loki said:Oh, it wasn't an insult (or a serious criticism) or anything-- I've just always found that particular phrase humorous because it just sounds so...odd. But it's always on all these makeover shows, as if everyone forgot how to speak proper english.
* Funny you use "defile" when referring to the promiscuous bastard child of languages.
calder said:
Because one conspiracy is false, every conspiracy must be so!
I'm going to have to disagree with Hito, though. Technically, his statement (though, I rexognize that it is by no means only his belief) implies that there is an intentional effort on the part of psychologists and hypnotherapists to plant memories in patients seeking help from the alien abudction phenomenon. This, in and of itself, is a conspiracy theory.
Are there tricksters out there looking for a quick buck? Maybe. But that would be purposefully overlooking the good work done by many of these therapists who hold themselves to higher standards.
Anyway, the bottom line is that aliens may not exist, UFOs may be fake, but they may both also be real. Some sightings can be explained, but others cannot. It would seem logically unsound to me to make these two explanations (UFOs = aliens, UFOs = earhtly phenomenon) mutually exclusive. The problem lies in the fact that we simply don't have enough information to clearly differentiate the two. Until then, I believe both the arguments of believers and skeptics to be equally valuable and correct.
And while its hard to believe some of these conspiracy theories, well, they're sort of a Catch 22, anyway. They're conspiracies because you're not supposed to know what is really going on. If you find it so hard to believe, they're doing their job pretty well, aren't they?
Nightbreeze
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I've always been facsinated by the very idea of aliens co-existing with us, even though the same idea freaks the shit outta me. I would love to somehow get a career researching shit like this.
enjoy bell woods said:
holy shit, this happened to me in high school. scariest fucking thing to happen to me, by far.
i woke up early in the morning (when the sun came up) laying in bed, facing the wall. i could see shadows moving against the wall in front of me, and strange gutteral noises, but for the life of me, could not move or scream. i remember perfectly the terror i felt, and it seemed to go on for several minutes... when all of a sudden i flew around and let out a yell. of course nothing was there, but i wrapped my blankets around me and sat in my bed for a good half hour sobbing, convinced i was abducted.
seriously freaky shit. i used to have "fever dreams" quite a bit growing up, and even sleaped walked a few times.
Straw man. I never said the influence was intentional. In trying to probe what people feel to be gaps in their memory, pop culture is going to seep in. Ages ago it used to be demons from hell who were after our seed, now that we've discovered astronomy and outer space, it's aliens who are after our seed... but even aliens are trendy fellows, since their appearance and shape keep changing.
boredJonathan
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Hitokage said:Straw man. I never said the influence was intentional. In piecing together such slipshod memories, pop culture is going to seep in. Ages ago it used to be demons who were after our seed, now that we've discovered astronomy and outer space, it's aliens who are after our seed... but even aliens are trendy fellows, since their appearance and shape keep changing.
But where did this idea come from in the first place? I can swallow the idea that the reason we get so many similar accounts is because popular culture has repeated a set idea for so long, but where did this idea come from?
Doesn't there have to be a starting point?
Sleep paralysis is a real condition, so are wet dreams. There is also stuff that we see that we can't immediatley explain. It's important to remember that our perceptive abilities are highly flawed and easily fooled, but many aren't as patient with uncertainy... in fact few are. Humans crave patterns.Red Mercury said:
boredJonathan
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Hitokage said:
I agree completely. And I don't doubt at all sleep paralysis. In fact I have a very high level of skeptacism about the whole abductee thing. However, I think you missed the point of my ealier question. What I was trying to get at was where did this concept of big eyed short grey aliens first come from? I can give over the idea of sleep paralysis playing into popular cultures current obsessions, (i.e. going from demons to aliens), but where did this trend start and why do we not have insect like aliens haunting the visions of sleep paralysis victims? Or even robots from outer space as was popular in the earlier movies of the time.
I used to sleep walk quite often as a child, and also had "abduction issues" that were sleep paralysis but very hard to deal with. It coincided with the breakdown of my parent's marriage when I was 6 and carried on for the better part of a decade....
Honestly, some of the things that would happen would scare the shit out of me...However, once I got to high school, things started quieting down for me in that department. I still have very vivid dreams, and any dream that involves physicality leaves me drenched in sweat when I wake up. This week has actually been a pretty active dream week, and I know I should write them down, because I am pretty sure some crazy movies could be made about them.
All time favorite dream from the end of my sleep paralysis/sleep walking days is actually the last time I found myself outside of my bed after a dream when I was 13.
We had just moved to a new house, and the dream proceeded like this. I woke up in my room and heard a comotion down the stairs....as I walked down the stairs I saw my mother and the back of a nurse in a white gown. The nurse was removing something from my mother's arm, which, when I brought my eyes into focus, was a live honeybee struggling under her skin. Naturally, in the dream I let out a startled response, which caused the nurse to turn around. The white gown I saw was actually only half a gown secured to the skin around her neck. As she turned around it became clear that she was nude, however she did not have breasts, nor did she have genetalia. She was completely gender neutral. What she did have, however, were lascerations on her skin, which a moving focusing eyeball staring at me from each. I woke up to find myself actually standing on the stairs.
Needless to say I was pretty scared at the time, especially since it was only the second time I was sure that I had gone down stairs in my sleep (the other being at age 7). However, the more I think about it now, the less scared I am in retrospect. I am actually more amazed that my brain has the ability to create that kind of scene, and awed at the creativity locked inside of us all.
Honestly, some of the things that would happen would scare the shit out of me...However, once I got to high school, things started quieting down for me in that department. I still have very vivid dreams, and any dream that involves physicality leaves me drenched in sweat when I wake up. This week has actually been a pretty active dream week, and I know I should write them down, because I am pretty sure some crazy movies could be made about them.
All time favorite dream from the end of my sleep paralysis/sleep walking days is actually the last time I found myself outside of my bed after a dream when I was 13.
We had just moved to a new house, and the dream proceeded like this. I woke up in my room and heard a comotion down the stairs....as I walked down the stairs I saw my mother and the back of a nurse in a white gown. The nurse was removing something from my mother's arm, which, when I brought my eyes into focus, was a live honeybee struggling under her skin. Naturally, in the dream I let out a startled response, which caused the nurse to turn around. The white gown I saw was actually only half a gown secured to the skin around her neck. As she turned around it became clear that she was nude, however she did not have breasts, nor did she have genetalia. She was completely gender neutral. What she did have, however, were lascerations on her skin, which a moving focusing eyeball staring at me from each. I woke up to find myself actually standing on the stairs.
Needless to say I was pretty scared at the time, especially since it was only the second time I was sure that I had gone down stairs in my sleep (the other being at age 7). However, the more I think about it now, the less scared I am in retrospect. I am actually more amazed that my brain has the ability to create that kind of scene, and awed at the creativity locked inside of us all.
WordAssassin
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NLB2 said:
42?
IntestineBoy
Sasquatch of 1000 (hairy) colons
Anyone have a torrent or capture of the show?
SatelliteOfLove
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Red Mercury said:
Exactly. With Stanton Friedmann you get the idea that he's actually going thru the process of proving things first, disclosure later. Majestic 12 was a good read and very thought-provoking.
WordAssassin
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Socreges said:
Well, of course. They come accross the borders looking for work and we give it to 'em and then they send their earnings back to their families....wait, what are we talking about again?
(I just lost that "You're awesome" I earned, didn't I?)
Kobun Heat
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Well, those kind of aliens DO exist. Maybe Jennings could do a documentary on THEM. Fuckwit.
Kobun Heat
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PJ, not you.Socreges said:
soundwave05
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I think Ronald Regan had also said something to the extent of how quickly the world's animosities/conflicts would be solved if the Earth itself was threatened by some kind of external alien force or something.
Even the Vatican has set up a huge telescope near the New Mexico desert (I believe) to watch the skies above there, the telescope has been nicknamed the "Pope Scope".
Personally I don't know if "First Contact" will happen in our lifetimes, but I feel relatively confident that we'll find life on Mars (albiet microscopic) not only within our life time but within the next 10-15 years.
The evidence on that is definitely starting to mount and I think even the broader scientific community now believes it's only a matter of time before we make such a discovery.
Even the Vatican has set up a huge telescope near the New Mexico desert (I believe) to watch the skies above there, the telescope has been nicknamed the "Pope Scope".
Personally I don't know if "First Contact" will happen in our lifetimes, but I feel relatively confident that we'll find life on Mars (albiet microscopic) not only within our life time but within the next 10-15 years.
The evidence on that is definitely starting to mount and I think even the broader scientific community now believes it's only a matter of time before we make such a discovery.
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