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[Glitter and Gold]

I'm guessing the source of BoogieSomeNumbers' confusion is freedom of speech. It's always touted as to why we're allowed to say such things and, no matter what they are, the man can't put us down for it.

Thing is, PDP is in the UK.

Offensive and demeaning language isn't protected under our stricter rules regarding freedom of speech.

Being trans, however (which feels like an example plucked from a list of go to labels you should namedrop to be seen as compassionate) is perfectly acceptable and would be protected. In fact, trying to stamp someone out because they are trans would fall under offensive and demeaning language and thus would be illegal.

Basically his fears are not founded in reality and he's not comparing like with like.

In panto (a theatrical christmas traditional over here in Blighty), you always have a male actor playing the role of a woman, called the dame. In fact it is often the case the lead male role will be played by a woman. This happens every year and everyone loves it.

If you had someone whose role was to spout the n-word throughout. We'd never hear of them ever again after the show is canceled a minute into its first showing.

Even in the US this would fall under plain old discrimination and would not fly at all in court. It is quite literally the most opposite thing from the current Pewdiepie situation

Being trans, however (which feels like an example plucked from a list of go to labels you should namedrop to be seen as compassionate)

God he said Trans AND Liberal. 'SJWs' are either one or the other right???

 

[typist]

I'm sorry what

what the hell is he talking about

Who the hell is he talking about

which liberal or transperson can't play which game

what the fuck

Maybe some liberal gamer will call their enemy a fucking Republican and the right will think their outrage is just as justified lol

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Why do people still think all DMCA takedowns are bad?

 

[BreezyLimbo]

He's worried that if we punish a racist here for his racist behavior, what's to stop other racists from using the system to discriminate in the future???

I looked at the quote and it is regarding DMCA takedown threats toward PDP. He's worried about that slippery slope

Utterly disgusting to use trans people as your cloak to defend your racist friend tbh.

Maybe some liberal gamer will call their enemy a fucking Republican and the right will think their outrage is just as justified lol

Yeah this is just

insantiy? It's literally irrational insanity on boogies part. He brings up liberals and transfolk and uses them as an object for example. Not because he respects any, but because he wants to get a one up on the opposition.

 

[hbkdx12]

There's no reason I can see for other people on YouTube to be defending PDP. His continued racist behaviour on the platform will keep sending advertisers away, already some will never ever come back.

PDP continues to show overt racist and harmful behaviour to others, most frighteningly we know much of is audience is children. YouTube themselves continue to fail other people using their platform for continuing to support this behaviour.

Eventually there won't be any advertisers left, that's what people (and YouTube)'s continued support for this toxic behaviour will bring.

No one should be frightened to condem this behaviour. This kind of racist language will continue it's destructive path through the community until people are willing to stand up to it.

YouTube and their other users need to stand up fast against it or they'll lose what little they have left.

The rest of us need to stand up if there's ever any hope of having a community to keep together

I can see how it's a complete catch 22 for youtubers.

If they speak up they're agreeing with a certain level of censorship and regulation on their content and videos

If they don't speak up then it's the feeling of standing in solidarity and feeling like they have control over the platform and the youtube community.

Even the most noblest of youtuber i imagine will just say something very non committal along the lines of "He shouldn't of said it, it's unfortunate. We'll see what/if anything happens" assuming they say anything at all.

 

[Balfour]

Why do people still think all DMCA takedown are bad?

Because they often take down good content but not enough reaction channels



I kid. Most places don't go Nintendo on people

 

[Dryk]

He is NOT defending Felix, but is scared of what the fallout could be this time if last time was any indication.

I'm not going to give Boogie the benefit of the doubt after his past behaviour. Just like I'm not going to give Felix the benefit of the doubt after his.

If Boogie actually wants to prevent advertisers from getting skittish again maybe he should try taking a stand instead of his usual "Well I'm sure he didn't mean it" bullshit.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

I can see how it's a complete catch 22 for youtubers.

If they speak up they're agreeing with a certain level of censorship and regulation on their content and videos

If they don't speak up then it's the feeling of standing in solidarity and feeling like they have control over the platform and the youtube community.

Even the most noblest of youtuber i imagine will just say something very non committal along the lines of "He shouldn't of said it, it's unfortunate. We'll see what/if anything happens" assuming they say anything at all.

It's not catch 22. It is condemning racism. There are no two sides. If anybody thinks this is catch 22 or defends PDP there are defending racism plain and simple.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

I swear to god h3h3 is going to make a video defending pewdiepies right to say bullshit through 'THEY THREATENED TAKEDOWNS AND WE TAKE THIS PERSONALLY'

just bank on it

 

[Mahonay]

Boogie is an amoeba.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I can see how it's a complete catch 22 for youtubers.

If they speak up they're agreeing with a certain level of censorship and regulation on their content and videos

If they don't speak up then it's the feeling of standing in solidarity and feeling like they have control over the platform and the youtube community.

Even the most noblest of youtuber i imagine will just say something very non committal along the lines of "He shouldn't of said it, it's unfortunate. We'll see what/if anything happens" assuming they say anything at all.

Maybe they should leave the cult then.

 

[Jobbs]

I have corrected you, twice, but you seem to persist in dragging it back to this "he's talking about the DMCA" narrative so here we go for a third time.

He said this:


He's defending a 27yo adult using the n-word as a directed insult under the guise of "he must not understand that it's a bad word".

Yet you keep reiterating this "he's just talking about the DMCA" nonsense. No. He's defending an adult for using the n-word suggesting ignorance. It's pathetic, and frankly baffling that you persist in acting like he isn't doing so.

"He doesn't know any better" is what you defend a 3yo with when he breaks something. Not a 27 year old who's globally popular using racist slurs casually.

Boogie being spineless is nothing new. I'm not defending him.

I don't care about boogie. I just think if we're going to criticize people we should criticize them for what they actually say. We have a full page of replies here where people are saying boogie thinks there's a middle ground between racists and non racists. He never said that.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

As mentioned using a C&D is part of the DMCA takedown procedure, not two mutually exclusive things as you seem to suggest.

I know, I worked as a YouTube Content Manager for a time.

I usually use takedowns as a last resort, due to it giving a strike on the Youtubers account.

As much as I think PDP deserves that strike, well, my professional side would argue that it is best used when youtubers use the content for nefarious means.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Boogie being spineless is nothing new. I'm not defending him.

I don't care about boogie. I just think if we're going to criticize people we should criticize them for what they actually say. We have a full page of replies here where people are saying boogie thinks there's a middle ground between racists and non racists. He never said that.

To be fair that's literally what he said about the JonTron shit.

 

[Chairmanchuck]

I'm not going to give Boogie the benefit of the doubt after his past behaviour. Just like I'm not going to give Felix the benefit of the doubt after his.

If Boogie actually wants to prevent advertisers from getting skittish again maybe he should try taking a stand instead of his usual "Well I'm sure he didn't mean it" bullshit.

He is just plain out ignorant at this point.

PDP wore a SS-uniform, is selling T-Shirts where he is doing a hitler-beard with his finger and "context" (great satire!!! totally!), made a "social experiment" about "Death to all Jews" and is using the "Hitler did nothing wrong" meme...

I swear to god h3h3 is going to make a video defending pewdiepies right to say bullshit through 'THEY THREATENED TAKEDOWNS AND WE TAKE THIS PERSONALLY'

just bank on it

And see the Firewatch devs twitter being spammed...

 

[ClosingADoor]

I can see how it's a complete catch 22 for youtubers.

If they speak up they're agreeing with a certain level of censorship and regulation on their content and videos

If they don't speak up then it's the feeling of standing in solidarity and feeling like they have control over the platform and the youtube community.

Even the most noblest of youtuber i imagine will just say something very non committal along the lines of "He shouldn't of said it, it's unfortunate. We'll see what/if anything happens" assuming they say anything at all.

Being against racism is not censorship. If this is a difficult choice for Youtubers, then that says enough. I get it if some don't speak out if they normally stay out of it. But those channels that always cover stuff like this, if they don't speak out now, that says enough about the community they have. Either they then agree that he can say this, or they at least play into the racist/alt-right for the views. Both are just as bad really.

 

[UberTag]

Again, he is not defending racism. Like his tweet said, "people will wrongfully assume I
am defending racism".

The Last time Felix was a bigot youtube and advertisers gimped payouts to content that wasn't even in anyway vulgar. Things like WWE content and reviewers. Boogies tweets are talking about freedoms of those NOT racist or making hateful content that could be affected by Felix's actions once again. Those content creators are the "middle" that he is referring to. He is NOT defending Felix, but is scared of what the fallout could be this time if last time was any indication.

This is the way I see it anyway. He said he was sure it was a mistake, and one that he regrets. Well yea, that much is obvious. Boogie stating the obvious isn't him defending him, as I'm damn well sure Felix is regretting this big time. Anyone would.

So long as PewDiePie remains inextricably linked to a platform they all depend upon for their financial livelihoods and advertiser support, his behavior WILL deservedly have a blowback on all of them. They should be more outraged at Felix than anyone else. And, you know what, I'm not really seeing this outrage.

And if they're not angry as fuck at his constant presence on YouTube... then I have no sympathy for them if they lose all of their advertiser money and have to seek another profession. I don't. And I like a LOT of creative people on YouTube.

 

[Sorta Maximus]

How many Disney contracts did he lose this time? It's like he doesn't care about his business anymore. I'd handle it with an eye for expansion no matter how big I was.

 

[Booker Dewitt]

I swear to god h3h3 is going to make a video defending pewdiepies right to say bullshit through 'THEY THREATENED TAKEDOWNS AND WE TAKE THIS PERSONALLY'

just bank on it

I would say that he'd be too much of scaredy cat after WSJ whipped him stupid, but knowing how small Campo Santo is in the greater video game community... he may actually try to bare his teeth again.

 

[watershed]

Boogie being spineless is nothing new. I'm not defending him.

I don't care about boogie. I just think if we're going to criticize people we should criticize them for what they actually say. We have a full page of replies here where people are saying boogie thinks there's a middle ground between racists and non racists. He never said that.

Let's be clear and factual. Boogie spoke right into the camera and said there is a middle ground between being racist and being against racism and said the middle between the two would be a great place to be,

 

[hbkdx12]

It's not catch 22. It is condemning racism. There are no two sides. If anybody thinks this is catch 22 or defends PDP there are defending racism plain and simple.

Maybe they should leave the cult then.

I agree 100%

I'm just saying, youtubers, probably now more than ever, realize how fickle the platform is and how much of a bubble they're sitting on. Everyone complains about the deplorable conditions of youtube since the Ad-pocolypse but no one is making serious strides to leave the platform because they know there isn't any other viable competitor.

Speaking out against PDP has the potential to work against a lot of peoples self interest.

 

[Zelias]

PDP is a piece of shit and so is boogie. Fuck them both.

 

[Alienous]

Fuck me. Just keep digging your hole boogie.

Amazing.

 

[ScaryShark]

I can see how it's a complete catch 22 for youtubers.

If they speak up they're agreeing with a certain level of censorship and regulation on their content and videos

If they don't speak up then it's the feeling of standing in solidarity and feeling like they have control over the platform and the youtube community.

Even the most noblest of youtuber i imagine will just say something very non committal along the lines of "He shouldn't of said it, it's unfortunate. We'll see what/if anything happens" assuming they say anything at all.

Yeah, I'd probably pick condemning racism over my cushy lifestyle being hypothetically changed in minor ways in the future.

I can't think of much of anything that takes precedent over racism being abhorrent.

 

[MarineMountie]

Boogie being spineless is nothing new. I'm not defending him.

I don't care about boogie. I just think if we're going to criticize people we should criticize them for what they actually say. We have a full page of replies here where people are saying boogie thinks there's a middle ground between racists and non racists. He never said that.

That is what my posts were about. People reading into something he never said. "The middle" was what he used to refer to YouTubers that are in no way racist or hateful that could be impacted by Felix just like last time when he caused the advertisers to bolt. Nothing more, nothing less. Besides the one tweet where he said "I'm sure it was a mistake, he likely regrets it" which is nothing but stating the obvious, he has been talking about the good youtubers that he hopes isn't impacted by Felix being a bigot again.

 

[Fat4all]

How many Disney contracts did he lose this time?

negative two

which means in the milliseconds after he said "fucking ni**er" he immediately gained a Disney contract, then lost it

 

[Palette Swap]

Amazing.

At least, that's an asshole who knows his place is right in the middle.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I agree 100%

I'm just saying, youtubers, probably now more than ever, realize how fickle the platform is and how much of a bubble they're sitting on. Everyone complains about the deplorable conditions of youtube since the Ad-pocolypse but no one is making serious strides to leave the platform because they know there isn't any other viable competitor.

Speaking out against PDP has the potential to work against a lot of peoples self interest.

Red Wall of Silence

 

[joe2187]

Boogie being spineless is nothing new. I'm not defending him.

I don't care about boogie. I just think if we're going to criticize people we should criticize them for what they actually say. We have a full page of replies here where people are saying boogie thinks there's a middle ground between racists and non racists. He never said that.

He did, he literally did say that even during the whole Jon (White Genocide) Tron debate. And then says he doesnt care if you think he's defending a racist, which just makes him look like a fucking bigger dumb ass.

 

[The ๖ۜBronx]

Boogie being spineless is nothing new. I'm not defending him.

I don't care about boogie. I just think if we're going to criticize people we should criticize them for what they actually say. We have a full page of replies here where people are saying boogie thinks there's a middle ground between racists and non racists. He never said that.

Fifth time it seems:

It is also disappointing that perhaps he and others do not fully understand the weight those kind of words carry and the damage they can do.

He's defending someone using racist slurs casually. Not sure how you think he's not taking a middle ground.

 

[Dangansona]

Is this the death of the career in Let's Plays?

 

[OléGunner]

Oh man, just seen the thread and watched the clip.

The way he spat out the n-word the first time was horrible.
It sounded like he says that kind of thing regularly when he's off camera.

 

[Head.spawn]

lol, it's this dude.

i'm sticking with my previous assumption about this guy:

That was the best thread I've read in a while.

 

[Anung]

Is this the death of the career in Let's Plays?

Probably not. But if I was in the LP business I'd be stressing out right now because he is messing with the longevity of the golden goose.

 

[watershed]

Oh man, just seen the thread and watched the clip.

The way he spat out the n-word the first time was horrible.
It sounded like he says that kind of thing regularly when he's off camera.

Of course he does. There's no doubt about it.

 

[Messofanego]

I swear to god h3h3 is going to make a video defending pewdiepies right to say bullshit through 'THEY THREATENED TAKEDOWNS AND WE TAKE THIS PERSONALLY'

just bank on it

No doubt, if he hasn't become a better person.

 

[UberTag]

Maybe they should leave the cult then.

Pretty much this. They want to play the part of the "good cop" who turns a blind eye to their racist colleagues who plant evidence and frame black people of crime and then act outraged when people condemn the police for their racism.

All of these YouTubers playing the middle and championing a cause against hypothetical censorship demons attacking their peers who aren't airing racial epithets to children on a regular basis can go fuck themselves. They can go broke. They can shut down their channels and go away. There is no middle ground. And if they want to announce their concern the way Boogie has, I welcome them to do it. Because I don't want to give them my time, my hits, my subscriptions, my money or my interest.

They should be mad at hell at YouTube.
They should be mad at hell at Felix.
And if they're not and only speaking out against the people outraged against Felix's behavior and the Campo Santos of the world... well, they're backing the wrong horse.

 

[Godzilla's Left Toe]

https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/907117296786833408

"So there's today's wishy washy fence setting for you. Feel free to unleash the butthurt. I look forward to the neogaf thread."

Lol

 

[Jobbs]

Let's be clear and factual. Boogie spoke right into the camera and said there is a middle ground between being racist and being against racism and said the middle between the two would be a great place to be,

Again, not defending boogie. He deserved the shit he got for the jontron crap.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

https://twitter.com/Boogie2988/status/907117296786833408

"So there's today's wishy washy fence setting for you. Feel free to unleash the butthurt. I look forward to the neogaf thread."

Lol

How old is he? Still using butthurt in 2017?

 

[guybrushfreeman]

I can see how it's a complete catch 22 for youtubers.

If they speak up they're agreeing with a certain level of censorship and regulation on their content and videos

If they don't speak up then it's the feeling of standing in solidarity and feeling like they have control over the platform and the youtube community.

Even the most noblest of youtuber i imagine will just say something very non committal along the lines of "He shouldn't of said it, it's unfortunate. We'll see what/if anything happens" assuming they say anything at all.

Then they will once again find that advertisers have no obligation to support them while this keeps happening

 

[Varjet]

Youtube should ban this guy already.

 

[Chairmanchuck]

Again, not defending boogie. He deserved the shit he got for the jontron crap.

But he is doing that again. He is trying to be in the middle ground and away from "PDP said something racist" to "Well. DCMA takedowns are bad. I am caring for trans and LGBT people!"

 

[watershed]

Again, not defending boogie. He deserved the shit he got for the jontron crap.

Because boogie said stupid shit in the past (most especially in the jontron case) it doesn't mean we should distort his words moving forward.

Boogie is already on record saying there is a middle ground between racists and anti-racists and that middle ground is a great place to be. Now he is spending his time expressing a great deal of concern over imaginary victims in a hypothetical scenario that does not exist instead of being concerned about PDP's racism and the influence he has over his audience. I'm not distorting anything.

 

[Mahonay]

How old is he? Still using butthurt in 2017?

He's 43.

 

[Elfotografoalocado]

Is this the death of the career in Let's Plays?

Hopefully not, but other youtubers standing "in the middle" between Pewdiepie and the deserved shitstorm he spurred is not doing any good to the image of game broadcasters.
In the end that Boogie guy didn't say whether Pewdiepie is a disgusting racist or not, he just deflects the worry to other places that he doesn't care about. (Like he cares about trans people)
Gotta love how he weaponizes the abuse to some minorities to deflect criticism to the abuse of others. About Pewdiepie, fuck him.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Oh man, just seen the thread and watched the clip.

The way he spat out the n-word the first time was horrible.
It sounded like he says that kind of thing regularly when he's off camera.

Yep, seems pretty clear he does. Just been smart enough to not say it on camera until now.

 

[peakish]

Get the fuck out. I'm Scandinavian and IT IS a big deal here. Don't listen to this shit, the only people using the N word in Sweden are racist, ignorant fuckwads. It's frowned upon by everyone with a functioning brain.

I really love when people keep saying the N-word isn't a big deal in Country X or Y, and then you have other people from said country quickly be like "Nah, actually it is"

Adding to this and a previous comment about a chocolate pastry: yes, there's a pastry here in Sweden that used to be called "negerboll." Nowadays it's not, it's called "chokladboll" since it, you know, tastes like cocoa and many people don't want a racist term affixed to a god damn pastry of all stupid things.

And I know that every Swede above the age of ten knows that the term is racist because while they might go online and write think pieces about how "it's just a word" or that "political correctness is killing our society," (these arguments seem familiar to any Americans?) or even use the term in private, they are not going to ask for or offer a "negerboll" in public. Unless they either don't care about looking (or being) racist, or they want to make some childish point by using it. Either way, they know exactly what they're saying.

 

[Solaire of Astora]

Let's be clear and factual. Boogie spoke right into the camera and said there is a middle ground between being racist and being against racism and said the middle between the two would be a great place to be,

Wow. So being indifferent to racism, then... What a wonderful place to be, huh? Does he think before he opens his mouth?

 

[Jobbs]

Fifth time it seems:


He's defending someone using racist slurs casually. Not sure how you think he's not taking a middle ground.

Okay? I don't know what you're getting on about. If I was boogie I'd say felix is a dumbass and a racist who should have his account erased. Boogie's spineless and I suspect too concerned about people liking him and making money to condemn anyone popular. Boogie's a convictionless stupid ass.

But in the case of the dmca tweet, people were replying to something he never said. They were distorting his words. I don't give two shits about boogie. I was being triggered by people misreading what he said in that particular tweet.