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[Sami+]

I can't wait for the hbomberguy video on this

 

[CazTGG]

I was one that defended Felix with his last fight with WSJ. It was reporting on the things he said and did but I really like his content. He did a fucking dumb thing.

FTFY

P.S. Don't try to "both sides" this discussion with your JAQ'ing off posts and actually read what people are posting.

I can't wait for the hbomberguy video on this

 

[Nanashrew]

Some gaming youtubers went from internet celebrity to, like, celebrity celebrity. This increased their fanbase to the point where people start to criticize them more and they're under a bigger microscope.

So, for example, they say nigger during a video. They get criticized for it. Well, they think, black people say that all the time! Clearly I don't need to apologize for it, it's a double standard! So they don't apologize and people keep bringing it up. They, for every good reason, get called racist by some. Then other people will have the youtuber's back; actually, man, you're right, it is a double-standard, those people who are criticizing you are overreactive fucks! By the way, have you heard of this guy Milo? You'd like his shit.

Soon, they start only listening to the people that support them, and those people are alt-right loons who believe you should be able to do anything and say anything as long as it's not about them. If you're a big youtuber who got thrust into the limelight without the time to acclimate to criticism, this way of thinking is really appealing. It feeds into the idea that everything is everyone else's fault and people only hate you because of your success.

This can also just exasperate poisonous thoughts they already had before this. It is unlikely someone became a white supremacist just because people criticized them for saying nigger, but they didn't feel safe being vocal about it until the Criticism Loop gave them the perceived support they needed to come out.

In summary, you're right. Every single one of them probably did not start with these beliefs, but some did. They all end up in the same place, though, because they can't handle a reality where something they did was absolutely wrong.

YouTubers have become tribalist. This was especially prevalent at Vid-con after the events with Sargon and Anita. Some lost friends because of the tribalism and war on women still prevalent from GamerGate and Sargon. And now Pewdiepie throwing his hat into the ring.

 

[BrutishMrFish]

If anything, I would think that people on this board, and even the "SJW" types would fight to retake the word and own it the way it should be.

I imagine their priorities concern things that would actually have a tangible effect on the industry, like promoting inclusion or combating harassment.

I'm proud to be a gamer. Gaming was mostly attacked from the right concerning violence, etc. then came the gamer gate era. Then it just became a war of toxicity, demonization, and far left-far-right shit flinging while everybody in the middle just wanted to play games.
All that seemed to cool down at least until Vidcon when big wigs of both sides had it out and caused more controversy.

You pulled the both sides argument on GamerGate, a movement that was made to push women out of the industry, twice in one paragraph. That's a problem.

Lots of GamerGate supporters like TotalBiscuit liked to say "We're real gamers who just want to play games," just like you are. I'm not saying you're one of them, but you're not going to be able to do anything to retake the label when you're using their rhetoric. Also, one of the other stereotypes people have of self-styled gamers is that they lack concern (at best) for literally anything else. You're contributing to that negative (though comparatively tame) connotation people have with the word by seemingly being more focused with "just playing games" and being called a gamer, so, again, you're not doing a whole lot to indicate why the word gamer would be better off being reclaimed by people like you when it's still in your possession (at least partially).

It's just weird. In a world where progressives get pissed for being mislabeled, and or called the wrong label even inadvertently, its strange people wouldn't want to defend a good label that is being a gamer.

What exactly are you referring to here? Is it gender identity? Because if it is, and you're pulling the old "Nerds are just like *actual marginalized group here*" shtick, you're once again demonstrating that the word gamer still belongs to you, even if it's not for the reasons you want.

 

[legacyzero]

FTFY

P.S. Don't try to "both sides" this discussion with your JAQ'ing off posts and actually read what people are posting.

LMAO- nice attempt at discourse there. I don't even watch the guy. Screw me for trying to be objective, right?

I watched the videos in full context, unlike the the WSJ hit piece.

As far as the proof discussion, it's a long thread and I asked for a couple links. With the time it took you to take shots at me, you could have helped me out.

I imagine their priorities concern things that would actually have a tangible effect on the industry, like promoting inclusion or combating harassment.



You pulled the both sides argument on GamerGate, a movement that was made to push women out of the industry, twice in one paragraph. That's a problem.

Lots of GamerGate supporters like TotalBiscuit liked to say "We're real gamers who just want to play games," just like you are. I'm not saying you're one of them, but you're not going to be able to do anything to retake the label when you're using their rhetoric. Also, one of the other stereotypes people have of self-styled gamers is that they lack concern (at best) for literally anything else. You're contributing to that negative (though comparatively tame) connotation people have with the word by seemingly being more focused with "just playing games" and being called a gamer, so, again, you're not doing a whole lot to indicate why the word gamer would be better off being reclaimed by people like you when it's still in your possession (at least partially).



What exactly are you referring to here? Is it gender identity? Because if it is, and you're pulling the old "Nerds are just like *actual marginalized group here*" shtick, you're once again demonstrating that the word gamer still belongs to you, even if it's not for the reasons you want.

No. Don't loop me in with either camp, and don't try and shame me for looking at either side for objectivity. I don't even go in Anita or GG threads because there isn't a lick of welcome dissent in those threads with lout getting dogpiled at the least. I think both sides are terrible IMO. Hell, even when one from either side dares to try and find a middle ground or try and have meaningful discussion, they are attacked, tarred and feathered. Example: Boogie at Vidcon, Liana K, or Laci Green, DARED to try and do something that was against the narrative, even if reasonable or factual. I think a couple on the skeptic side tried this and the rest just disowned and attacked. Nobody wants reason or movement towards resolution on either side. It's all terrible.

And again, I'm not here defending PDP on this one, again because I'm not educated on the matter good enough. But I come in here to ask for a couple quick links or quotes and I'm instantly attacked with "read the thread!" Or acting as if I'm in total agreement because I dared to try and separate stupidity from anti- semitism, which I think dilutes ACTUAL anti- semitism and efforts to squash it.

 

[L Thammy]

He did a fucking dumb thing. But I'm not sure it was intended as anti-Semitic.

Here's your problem. PewDiePie's start of darkness wasn't that he secretly had a shrine to Hitler in his basement. It wasn't that he passed by the synagogue and his soul was brimming with violent intentions.

The issue was that PewDiePie, largely due to being a rich white man, has developed so little sympathy for his fellow human being that he still thinks as a grown adult that "death to jews" is a funny joke. It doesn't occur to him that a group whose global population were cut in half by people spouting that same thing would not find that funny. Maybe a culture who has been oppressed for two thousand years would not find that funny.

PewDiePie does not have to have "anti-Semitic" intent to be an anti-Semite, he could just be an unsympathetic dickwad who has no problem kicking around people who are unlike him as he goes about his day. And he probably is and unsympathetic dickward. This is the aspect that makes explicit racists into attractive friends; they're the ones who will pat you on your back and say it's their fault they were offended, rich white man. That is the aspect that his explicit racist friends will latch on to and strengthen when they want to build PewDiePie into a supporter.

The leap PewDiePie is making ethically is from "it can't be wrong, I didn't mean it to be wrong", which excuses everything he does that isn't explicitly hateful while still allowing him to condemn others, to "it can't be wrong, it's me", which excuses everything he does even when he is hateful while still allowing him to condemn others. And it's not a huge leap, really. If PewDiePie could have said with a straight face that he didn't mean any harm, he could have stomped on an infant and claimed, well, I didn't mean for it to be bad.

What makes it even worse in my eyes is that PewDiePie's lack of sympathy for others previously became a problem with his rape jokes. And he fixed it. He admitted he was wrong and he decided to change. It seemed like he had the chance to realize his lack of sympathy and change for the better. There are other YouTubers who have; look at early Something Awful Let's Plays and they also make a ton of similar jokes, which they no longer do.

But, for some reason, Jews are harder for him to sympathize with for PewDiePie. Suddenly he's going to strike that line in the sand and say, no, I'm not going to develop sympathy for Jews. In fact, I'm going to regress and become more aggressive and hostile to others instead. Maybe he had less sympathy for them to start off with, or maybe him having much more money than he did back then has made it that much harder for him to self-reflect and grow in a positive direction.

 

[Budi]

LMAO- nice attempt at discourse there. I don't even watch the guy. Screw me for trying to be objective, right?

I watched the videos in full context, unlike the the WSJ hit piece.

As far as the proof discussion, it's a long thread and I asked for a couple links. With the time it took you to take shots at me, you could have helped me out.

I still don't understand what was the missing context in the WSJ thing. They even included a clip in the video where Pewdiepie says he's not an actual anti-semite and didn't think the guys would hold up the sign and even apologizes.

They were simply reporting on the stuff he has produced. No twisting of truth or leaving out important details.

 

[legacyzero]

Here's your problem. PewDiePie's start of darkness wasn't that he secretly had a shrine to Hitler in his basement. It wasn't that he passed by the synagogue and his soul was brimming with violent intentions.

The issue was that PewDiePie, largely due to being a rich white man, has developed so little sympathy for his fellow human being that he still thinks as a grown adult that "death to jews" is a funny joke. It doesn't occur to him that a group whose global population were cut in half by people spouting that same thing would not find that funny. Maybe a culture who has been oppressed for two thousand years would not find that funny.

PewDiePie does not have to have "anti-Semitic" intent to be an anti-Semite, he could just be an unsympathetic dickwad who has no problem kicking around people who are unlike him as he goes about his day. And he probably is and unsympathetic dickward. This is the aspect that makes explicit racists into attractive friends; they're the ones who will pat you on your back and say it's their fault they were offended, rich white man. That is the aspect that his explicit racist friends will latch on to and strengthen when they want to build PewDiePie into a supporter.

What makes it even worse in my eyes is that PewDiePie's lack of sympathy for others previously became a problem with his rape jokes. And he fixed it. He admitted he was wrong and he decided to change. It seemed like he had the chance to realize his lack of sympathy and change for the better. There are other YouTubers who have; look at early Something Awful Let's Plays and they also make a ton of similar jokes, which they no longer do.

But, for some reason, Jews are harder for him to sympathize with for PewDiePie. Suddenly he's going to strike that line in the sand and say, no, I'm not going to develop sympathy for Jews. In fact, I'm going to regress and become more aggressive and hostile to others instead. Maybe he had less sympathy for them to start off with, or maybe him having much more money than he did back then has made it that much harder for him to self-reflect and grow in a positive direction.

See, now this I mostly agree with. It was definitely insensitive. But again- stupid. I think it cheapens the actual fight against real anti-semites to loop him in with that.

And didn't he apologize in his follow up vid, for being offensive while simultaneously attacking WSJ for he hit job? It's been a whil, I might have to go rewatch.

 

[Budi]

See, now this I mostly agree with. It was definitely insensitive. But again- stupid. I think it cheapens the actual fight against real anti-semites to loop him in with that.

And didn't he apologize in his follow up vid, for being offensive while simultaneously attacking WSJ for he hit job? It's been a whil, I might have to go rewatch.

The apology was like 10% of the video, rest was complaining about WSJ yes. That's not a good apology to start pointing fingers and saying it wasn't my own fault afterall!

 

[L Thammy]

See, now this I mostly agree with. It was definitely insensitive. But again- stupid. I think it cheapens the actual fight against real anti-semites to loop him in with that.

And didn't he apologize in his follow up vid, for being offensive while simultaneously attacking WSJ for he hit job? It's been a whil, I might have to go rewatch.

1. He is a real anti-Semite. Casual anti-Semitism is still anti-Semitism.

2. An apology is not an apology when it ends with "but it's the media's fault, fuck the media." The guy is still not taking responsibility for his action, he's saying whatever empty statements he thinks he needs to to get the pressure off of him.

 

[legacyzero]

I still don't understand what was the missing context in the WSJ thing. They even included a clip in the video where Pewdiepie says he's not an actual anti-semite and didn't think the guys would hold up the sign and even apologizes.

They were simply reporting on the stuff he has produced. No twisting of truth or leaving out important details.

The video they made was just a string of clips not noting he Content of the actual video and the context within.

Aside from watching H3H3's take on it, I went back and watched the videos in question. Many of them were parodys.

What'' also funny is, GAF LOVED H3H3 until Ethan dared to defend Felix. There's even an H3 OT basically.

I guess I just align with "Speech should be free, but the consequences earned." And all that happened as intended. PDP took a risk, he lost shows and partnerships. Consequences. But that's never enough here, even for people who make mistakes. It's not even enough that folks like Bill Maher apologized multiple times for their mistake. There has to be blood. Careers lost. Livelihoods destroyed.

Example 👇👇

The apology was like 10% of the video, rest was complaining about WSJ yes. That's not a good apology to start pointing fingers and saying it wasn't my own fault afterall!

1. He is a real anti-Semite. Casual anti-Semitism is still anti-Semitism.

2. An apology is not an apology when it ends with "but it's the media's fault, fuck the media." The guy is still not taking responsibility for his action, he's saying whatever empty statements he thinks he needs to to get the pressure off of him.

I guess saying "I apologize" is not enough. And yes. It was clearly a hit piece centered to destroy his character, while lying by omission.

And "casual" anti-semitism? Huh? So making a dumb joke puts him in the alt-right Richard Spencer camp? That's just hyperbolic. I don't even think it puts him in the JonTron camp- and JonTron is a literal white supremacist, at least in what he's said. Even I defend Jontrons right to speech, but he got what was coming to him and is even more deserving

 

[MrMysterio]

Haha.

Yeah, the blood thirsty NeoGAF, killing livelihoods of upstanding world citizens, one post after the other.

gtfo

 

[fester]

Screw me for trying to be objective, right?

I watched the videos in full context, unlike the the WSJ hit piece.

Using phrases like "hit piece" doesn't make a very compelling case that you're an objective observer.

No. Don't loop me in with either camp, and don't try and shame me for looking at either side for objectivity. I don't even go in Anita or GG threads because there isn't a lick of welcome dissent in those threads with lout getting dogpiled at the least. I think both sides are terrible IMO.

Ah, OK, so you are a "both-sider." Saves us a lot of time beating around the bush.

And again, I'm not here defending PDP on this one, again because I'm not educated on the matter good enough.

If only I had a dollar for every time an "uneducated, objective" person came into one of these threads with strong, bullshit opinions on the subject...

 

[BrutishMrFish]

No. Don't loop me in with either camp, and don't try and shame me for looking at either side for objectivity.

I can't shame you for something you didn't do.

I don't even go in Anita or GG threads because there isn't a lick of welcome dissent in those threads with lout getting dogpiled at the least. I think both sides are terrible IMO. Hell, even when one from either side dares to try and find a middle ground or try and have meaningful discussion, they are attacked, tarred and feathered. Example: Boogie at Vidcon, Liana K, or Laci Green, DARED to try and do something that was against the narrative, even if reasonable or factual. I think a couple on the skeptic side tried this and the rest just disowned and attacked. Nobody wants reason or movement towards resolution on either side. It's all terrible.

I don't know Liana K, but Boogie thinks that racist shit is just a valid opinion like anything else and Laci Green straight up defends internet harassers. They aren't skeptics, they're cowards who are trying to appeal to certain demographics at the cost of giving some pretty heinous shit a free pass.

Again, you're spouting a lot of intellectually lazy bullshit that suggests that you don't want to do anything to reclaim the word gamer that involves real effort. You're whining about gamers being painted with a broad brush while equating a hate group with the people who are trying to do something about it. Like I said before, you're just another gamer stereotype and the word already belongs to you.

It's not even enough that folks like Bill Maher apologized multiple times for their mistake. There has to be blood. Careers lost. Livelihoods destroyed.

I guess saying "I apologize" is not enough.

All they have to do is change and learn from their mistakes. Maher hasn't done that and neither has Pewdiepie. No shit an apology isn't enough when they keep going back to doing the crap that got them in hot water in the first place.

You just want everyone else to accept that because you don't want your precious entertainment to change in any way. For someone who prides themselves as being a part of the far left, you're the worst kind of moderate.

 

[L Thammy]

The video they made was just a string of clips not noting he Content of the actual video and the context within.

Aside from watching H3H3's take on it, I went back and watched the videos in question. Many of them were parodys.

What'' also funny is, GAF LOVED H3H3 until Ethan dared to defend Felix. There's even an H3 OT basically.

I guess I just align with "Speech should be free, but the consequences earned." And all that happened as intended. PDP took a risk, he lost shows and partnerships. Consequences. But that's never enough here, even for people who make mistakes. It's not even enough that folks like Bill Maher apologized multiple times for their mistake. There has to be blood. Careers lost. Livelihoods destroyed.

Maaaybe it would be easier to forgive PewDiePie if he didn't have a history of insensitivity already, if he didn't respond to this by demonizing the media in classic Trump style, if he didn't go on to speak in support of a sexist politician, and if he didn't go on to make online penpals with alt right nutjobs.

Maaaybe it would be easier to forgive Bill Maher if he didn't have an history of literally talking down black people to tell them how they should feel about their slurs against their ethnicity being used, if he didn't have a history of Islamophobia and transphobia, if he didn't happily give alt right nutjobs a voice because he liked some of the things they said, and if he didn't follow his apologies with "but I'm not going to apologize for what Ice Cube said about me because I've never made a joke about black people".

 

[legacyzero]

Using phrases like "hit piece" doesn't make a very compelling case that you're an objective observer.



Ah, OK, so you are a "both-sider." Saves us a lot of time beating around the bush.



If only I had a dollar for every time an "uneducated, objective" person came into one of these threads with strong, bullshit opinions on the subject...

And yet again- attacks, and not one person has offered to say "here's why I believe there's a pay-gap, oh, and here's a source." That's all I'm looking for. Not everyone blindly support something while being shamed for not supporting by default. Should there be a pay gap? Hell no. Even with my employer, every one entering the positions listed are eligible for the same base pay, and then everything else is performance incentive and merit increase based on annual performance and behavior.

So where else would there be a pay gap? That's all I'm looking for.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

I AM A GAMER! I IDENTIFY WITH MASS MARKET CONSUMER PRODUCTS!

I'm a gamer, movie-er, TV show-er, worker, sleeper, drinker, breather, fucker, masturbator and dang proud of it!

Like, what is it whit the labels and being proud of a hobby. It's a fucking hobby, you don't walk around with a t shirt "I'm a proud gym member" or "proud vaginal penetrator", why do that with games? I never understood that.

 

[Nanashrew]

I was one that defended Felix with his last fight with WSJ. It was all out of context BS that everyone just picked and raged over. He did a fucking dumb thing. But I'm not sure it was intended as anti-Semitic. That said, I don't have anything to say here because I don't know much about he wage gap argument. I hear both sides making solid arguments (at least for the American wage gap). I know a lot of fuss is being made in Hollywood about equal pay. But isn't that a bit different?

So If anybody has links and proof, etc, I'd love to see it. I genuinely don't know much about it.

Ask how much the industry is making profit wise. That's a positive right? Otherwise, but the left and the right have just shat all over it over the last 30 years

People who don't like labels, is best I can tell. I'm proud to be a gamer. Gaming was mostly attacked from the right concerning violence, etc. then came the gamer gate era. Then it just became a war of toxicity, demonization, and far left-far-right shit flinging while everybody in the middle just wanted to play games.
All that seemed to cool down at least until Vidcon when big wigs of both sides had it out and caused more controversy.

Really? Both sides are bad argument? I watched friends harassed off social media, get doxxed, swatted, and receive death threats by GamerGaters. It was an attack on women in the industry. They hid behind "ethics in journalism" but that pretense fell fast and let it show they did not want women in the industry.

What is stupid about gamers and this industry is that they have forgiven the bully that pounded them into the concrete for years before ever thinking a girl should be allowed to play or participate in this industry.

Don't believe me? GamerGate reached out to Jack Thompson a few years ago and Jack Thompson sided with GamerGate and they sided with Jack Thompson. GamerGate also sided with plenty of actual nazis as well. Or heck, that Mike Cernovich guy, a bully who hates nerds and has likely pounded them and stuffed them into lockers was a major person in GamerGate.

 

[Budi]

The video they made was just a string of clips not noting he Content of the actual video and the context within.

Aside from watching H3H3's take on it, I went back and watched the videos in question. Many of them were parodys.

I guess saying "I apologize" is not enough. And yes. It was clearly a hit piece centered to destroy his character, while lying by omission.

This video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFY7mGkmFxo What important context should be added here? It does show the Pewdiepie's side too, that it's just entertainment. And yes saying I apologize isn't enough when it's clearly not sincere because he goes on a long rant that he was just made to look bad while not actually doing anything worth criticizing. If he truly thinks he fucked up and went too far, why isn't he fully owning up to it but blaming media?

 

[L Thammy]

Let me help you visualize what you're saying, legacyzero.

This image:

Was based on

Is the person who made this just a harmless innocent? Or are they a racist - regardless of whether or not they were just trying to make a joke?

Bear in mind that these images are still promoting a message. They aren't covered in a magical sarcasm field that prevents people from absorbing them. If people think that the way black people speak is innate to all of them rather than a cultural behaviour used by a subset, they see the first image and it confirms their belief. It perpetuates their views, and those views justify what you call "real" racism.

Not to mention that it's encouraging people to make other ethnicities into beats for your jokes or that it's okay to reduce them to a point. It's telling all the "I'm not a racist, but" that their behaviour is normal and acceptable.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

I guess saying "I apologize" is not enough.

Yeah, because apologies aren't formal incantations that magically evoke forgiveness. No one is obliged to take words, all on their own, as being particularly meaningful. If we were then the world would be made up of fools.

 

[jack_package_200]

For some reason I am not shocked that you are both sides-ing Gamergate.

They harassed, doxxed, and drove women out of the industry. They contributed to the image that gamers are toxic misogynistic manchildren. They aligned with Milo Yianofuckface and Mike Cernovich.

There is no positive side to them. At all.

 

[Tarydax]

No. Don't loop me in with either camp, and don't try and shame me for looking at either side for objectivity.

You would defend Richard Spencer and Steven Bannon if they said they were just joking and gave brief and insincere apologies.

 

[Nanashrew]

I mean, if there's one thing I've been taught by my parents since I was a kid is that you can't just say you're sorry, you also have to show it.

Pewdiepie hasn't shown he's actually sorry at all. Didn't someone post earlier in the thread that he's merchandising his controversy with the Hitler jokes? It's reeaaallllyyy hard to take any apology he makes seriously.

 

[MrMysterio]

Love it that just this month someone on here taught me the word sealioning, and I can now positively identify that behaviour on the internet!

 

[Keihart]

those posters are not racist but they sure are funny.

Maybe if there was actual hate or something on them i would even consideer them racist or anything similar.

Stereotypes will always exist, making fun of them and i mean all of them not just some of them makes them less impactfull when used in ill intended ways.

Is just like how curse words get their power from being prohibited and lose the impact when used constantly.

 

[Gnome Scat]

PewDiePie continues to be a true titan of human thought & wisdom.

lmao

 

[FyreWulff]

I guess saying "I apologize" is not enough.

Actions actually mean something. Saying words and trucking on isn't apologizing, it's just trying to fake PR

 

[L Thammy]

those posters are not racist but they sure are funny.

Maybe if there was actual hate or something on them i would even consideer them racist or anything similar.

Stereotypes will always exist, making fun of them and i mean all of them not just some of them makes them less impactfull when used in ill intended ways.

Is just like how curse words get their power from being prohibited and lose the impact when used constantly.

All the stereotype jokes my high school friends told me sure weakened their power. Now I don't take them seriously when they text me about feminist rallies so that I can mock all the stupid sluts like they love to. Or when they point out how all the things they say about brown people are true, except about me because I'm different.

 

[TyrantGuardian]

those posters are not racist but they sure are funny.

Maybe if there was actual hate or something on them i would even consideer them racist or anything similar.

Stereotypes will always exist, making fun of them and i mean all of them not just some of them makes them less impactfull when used in ill intended ways.

Is just like how curse words get their power from being prohibited and lose the impact when used constantly.

Ok so let's make fun of pathetic anime basement dwelling gamers. Oh wait, no - that's part of what started GG idiots harassing people.

 

[Keihart]

All the stereotype jokes my high school friends told me sure weakened their power. Now I don't take them seriously when they text me about feminist rallies so that I can mock all the stupid sluts like they love to. Or when they point out how all the things they say about brown people are true, except about me because I'm different.

You are mixing things here, is not the same making a joke about how stupid is a stereotype than making fun of a stereotype.
Is not the same saying "fuck you" than replacing every other word with fuck when speaking.

Edit: also this is getting completly off topic, sorry if i'm deralingin talking about those posters.
i still don't read anyone justifiying why is so horrible that Felix defended the guy in the video, when the interviewer is clearly in the wrong. The oldmand is clearly having trouble in articulating his words and is repeating how he does not believe what he is being acused of but instead is triying to explain why something is. I don't think he is right, but that interviewer is making the equivalent of dogpiling basically.

 

[L Thammy]

You are mixing things here, is not the same making a joke about how stupid is a stereotype than making fun of a stereotype.
Is not the same saying "fuck you" than replacing every other word with fuck when speaking.

Where explicitly is it pointing out that the stereotype is stupid? Highlight the exact point.

The joke is that it says "don't be racist", and then defines not being racist with a bunch of racial stereotypes. There's no enlightened message here.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

LMAO- nice attempt at discourse there. I don't even watch the guy. Screw me for trying to be objective, right?

You are deluding yourself if you claim to be objective.

No. Don't loop me in with either camp, and don't try and shame me for looking at either side for objectivity. I don't even go in Anita or GG threads because there isn't a lick of welcome dissent in those threads with lout getting dogpiled at the least.

That's bullshit. Plenty of people offered legitimate criticism/disagreement of Anita's videos or opinions and weren't shat upon whatsoever. It's only when it's disingenuous bullshit that the dogpiles start.

As for GG, what possible dissent could there be about an inherently toxic, hate-filled movement?

I think both sides are terrible IMO.

...Oh

Yeah, GG, who harasses and doxxes and drives women out of the industry, is as equally terrible as... a feminist who criticizes video games?

Absolute fucking horseshit.

Hell, even when one from either side dares to try and find a middle ground or try and have meaningful discussion, they are attacked, tarred and feathered. Example: Boogie at Vidcon, Liana K, or Laci Green, DARED to try and do something that was against the narrative, even if reasonable or factual. I think a couple on the skeptic side tried this and the rest just disowned and attacked. Nobody wants reason or movement towards resolution on either side. It's all terrible.

Oh please. There's nothing reasonable or fact-based about any of these idiots. Framing these people, who defend overtly racist people and harassment, as being "reasonable and factual" and being poor victims of the nasty "other side" (just say it, you mean SJWs don't you) is pure intellectual dishonesty.

And again, I'm not here defending PDP on this one, again because I'm not educated on the matter good enough.

And yet funnily enough you seem more than happy to write long diatribes about how "both sides are terrible" and "dissent is quashed". Huh. It's almost as if you didn't have a shred of good faith in any of your posts. :O

 

[Keihart]

Where explicitly is it pointing out that the stereotype is stupid? Highlight the exact point.

The joke is that it says "don't be racist", and then defines not being racist with a bunch of racial stereotypes. There's no enlightened message here.

"Don't be racist, be like mario" then describes how mario is the ultimate racist stereotype, the joke is in that the statement is wrong not that it is right.

 

[Sou Da]

Lmao is someone in here actually defending Laci Green? Love yourself a little more than that.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I guess I just align with "Speech should be free, but the consequences earned." And all that happened as intended. PDP took a risk, he lost shows and partnerships. Consequences. But that's never enough here, even for people who make mistakes. It's not even enough that folks like Bill Maher apologized multiple times for their mistake. There has to be blood. Careers lost. Livelihoods destroyed.

Yes, excuse us for thinking that people who continually pull shit like this should not have a platform reaching and influencing millions. PewDiePie is infecting millions of kids with his bullshit, so yes, until he stops this shit, it is not enough.

I guess saying "I apologize" is not enough. And yes. It was clearly a hit piece centered to destroy his character, while lying by omission.

Yes, "I apologize" is not enough when you close it off with a rant about how you really are the victim and pull this:

How am I supposed to take this apology serious? Imagine ANY celebrity screwing up, going on tv and then showing the finger to the world because he felt attacked. Does that come across as sincere? No.

It was also not a hitpiece. Youtubers have this strange idea that the "mainstream media" is out to get them. Yet they forget that the media is reporting on shit like this all the time when it involves high profile names and companies (Disney and Google). If a Hollywood celebrity did this, don't you think there would be coverage about it? Of course there would be! And that is what these guys are, celebrities. They want to enjoy the status, but not the criticism that comes with the territory. And that is simply not possible, neither should it be.

Now place all this shit in context. You say the WSJ didn't provide context. Well, why then are you ignoring that this guys hangs with Keemstar, Alex Jones, Lauren Southern and apparently more. Because that is some mighty context there that does not reflect favorably on his character.

 

[Nanashrew]

Laci Green has become a TERF. No one should really be defending her.

 

[DuffDry]

This still doesn't offend me as much as his approach to editing.

 

[Nanashrew]

Also Boogie is a fence sitter, always trying to find the golden mean in the center. There's a reason people have had it with him because he says and does absolutely nothing of importance in his words or actions. His desire to please everyone only excludes everyone, like when he gave Jon Tron the benefit of a doubt. Then he backtracked fast after some of his fans of color felt saddened and upset by what Boogie said. Boogie then said he hadn't listened to what Jon Tron said in the video or some stupid thing like that.

 

[L Thammy]

"Don't be racist like mario" then describes how mario is the ultimate racist stereotype, the joke is in that the statement is wrong not that it is right.

It doesn't "describe how mario is the ultimate racist stereotype", it just lists stereotypes that came to the minds of whoever made the poster. Mario is an Italian. He likes pasta, he's portly, and he works at a blue collar job (which we never really see him do). That's the part of Mario that's a stereotype.

He doesn't "look like a Mexican". He doesn't "jump like a black man". He doesn't "grab coins like a Jew". That's all on the people making the poster. Mario is Italian, not some racist Frankenstein.

It's much like how PewDiePie's jokes don't say anything about anyone else than PewDiePie and how he thinks.

You may be confusing it with a joke that comments on racial stereotypes by explicitly highlighting how ridiculous the stereotype itself is.

 

[jack_package_200]

People who care about "reasonable discourse" while going to bat for horrendous people whose form of discourse is bullying, harassment, racism, homophobia, and misogyny are idiots.

Laci Green has become a TERF. No one should really be defending her.

I know so many LBGT people used to adore her content. She is a terrible person for trying to chase the alt-right audience.

 

[SuperDowns]

Oh good, the rise and fall of a nobody.

 

[MrMysterio]

Hm. How much alt-right audience $$$ can there be? Just wondering about the demographics here that some youtubers seem to chase.

I have completely no idea about the business behind youtubers, and how much revenue you can expect from alt-right content versus feminist content for example.

Anyone here have any insight?

 

[Aaron Strife]

GamerGate may be terrible, but to be fair, Anita Sarkeesian had the audacity to have opinions about video games and be a woman at the same time. And Zoe Quinn had the nerve to exist.

Look, I'm just trying to be objective here. Stop attacking me!!!

 

[Sou Da]

Laci Green has become a TERF. No one should really be defending her.

This would imply that she has the capability to be radical about anything other than easy money. More of a TEMF.

 

[Keihart]

It doesn't "describe how mario is the ultimate racist stereotype", it just lists stereotypes that came to the minds of whoever made the poster. Mario is an Italian. He likes pasta, he's portly, and he works at a blue collar job (which we never really see him do). That's the part of Mario that's a stereotype.

He doesn't "look like a Mexican". He doesn't "jump like a black man". He doesn't "grab coins like a Jew". That's all on the people making the poster. Mario is Italian, not some racist Frankenstein.

It's much like how PewDiePie's jokes don't say anything about anyone else than PewDiePie and how he thinks.

it is abviously exagerating the character, finding racist traits in anything posible about the character, the joke works because of this, add more text to it and it becomes even better as long as is something that it is there. Te more racist traits you add , the wronger the statement is.

It reminds me in how a "how to basic" video works.

 

[ClosingADoor]

it is abviously exagerating the character, finding racist traits in anything posible about the character, the joke works because of this, add more text to it and it becomes even better as long as is something that it is there. Te more racist traits you add , the wronger the statement is.

It reminds me in how a "how to basic" video works.

What is "he talks like a black man" supposed to mean in that PewDiePie picture?

 

[Keihart]

What is "he talks like a black man" supposed to mean in that PewDiePie picture?

nothing , it doesn't make sense, it's a exageration, the only real part of it is tha he talks. What do you think it means?

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

Can't wait to see Phil D make a video defending him and blaming "MSM".

 

[ShockingAlberto]

You have to earn offense, but apologies should be automatic and magical.