Dr. Suchong
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What will Phils next business venture be?
A Supermarket without food?...
A Supermarket without food?...
Right, vision. This brilliant idea came to him in a dream. Let's use Microsoft's money to buy everything. How inspiredAcquisitions should not be childishly viewed as takeaways but as investments in strengthening their vision
Where's the games he's looking for then? How did redfall release to these reviews? They're an already established studio with more than a few acclaimed games under their belt.They're building studios, supporting and expanding existing studios, as well as acquiring studios.
I think both Xbox and Sony console owners should eventually be worried about either Steam Deck Gen 2 or Gen 3. Steam Deck is now the 4th console and it has access to the libraries of both. Right now it’s a tiny worry, but it will grow into a monster years from now.What makes you think everyone wants to game on PC?
Phil's Don Mattrick moment.
Although, arguably this is worse.
Nintendo didn’t carry digital libraries over via backwards compatibility , they repackaged certain games to sell at retail and on the digital store.
With people like u defending this guy. He will always have a safe pass and Xbox will be on this situation forever.This maybe sets a new record for the amount of spin and doom people put on things Phil says. He literally says the console will always be the focus, they still intend to provide the best games possible. Somehow his (true) admission that Sony and Nintendo have too strong of a foot hold in the industry for MS to make some miracle recovery and win the sales war is being twisted into the idea that they are giving up competing or making good games.
He didn’t say consistently good games wasn’t their goal or that it wouldn’t help sales. He said it wouldn’t make a dramatic shift in market share, and he is right.
I doubt he has any worries about being fired. The division still makes profits. But if FM and Starfield both launch to poor reception and are half baked, then some big heads need to roll.
Honest question - has Phil taken too much on? Should he go / resign / step down?
Free socks if he is an xbox ambassadorSeriously, how much is he being paid to gobble the goo?
Not everyone play on pc, plenty of people who would buy a console to play these games if the entries are good enough.All of those are on PC. Xbox has stepped away from console exclusives completely.
And why are you including franchises from the potential Activision deal lol.
Just some gamming t-shirtsSeriously, how much is he being paid to gobble the goo?
He had enough.W
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He has to lose his job over this, surely?
This is where we go back to digital libraries which Phil mentioned in his interview with Xcast. Steam deck is handheld which immediately makes it more niche. Also it mainly locks you into Steam (there are workarounds) so again, the chances of someone with a ton of games on PS suddenly shifting to go full on with Steam Deck is very small.I think both Xbox and Sony console owners should eventually be worried about either Steam Deck Gen 2 or Gen 3. Steam Deck is now the 4th console and it has access to the libraries of both. Right now it’s a tiny worry, but it will grow into a monster years from now.
Spot on.He is not in left field when he points out that the digital libraries we all started assembling last generation gave our existing platform(s) a leg up on keeping us in their ecosystem(s). But it was nothing more than an advantage. It was not the beginning and end, and if Halo (or anything really) hit the ground in proper shape in 2020 the advantage would have been neutralized.
Second, the claim they weren't trying to win the console sales race reeks of BS. They released the lowest common denominator just for console sales. They literally spent billions of dollars on a publisher, and then cancelled all plans to release certain games on the biggest install base, to sell consoles.
Now for the fun part. What the hell was the intended purpose of this interview? Why did the top guy in MS gaming go out and essentially claim defeat at this juncture in terms of console market share? Are we really to believe it was off the cuff because he's just like one of us and likes talking video games? Or do we believe a trillion dollar entity plans virtually all of their messaging, especially in times of crisis?
Some might say the answer to that is they are throwing up another hail mary pass to the CMA. I won't dismiss that, but it feels more like consumer conditioning to me. As in getting people in a better state to accept some future news.
Nintendo’s situation is different. They made a handheld hybrid and completely own the JP market. They have the most popular evergreen exclusives and control the most profitable IP in the world, Pokemon. Also very popular console for young kids. You arent gonna play old assasins creeds or CODs on a switch.
How does he know if releasing consistently good games wouldn't garner market share though when he hasn't done that while being boss of Xbox ?This maybe sets a new record for the amount of spin and doom people put on things Phil says. He literally says the console will always be the focus, they still intend to provide the best games possible. Somehow his (true) admission that Sony and Nintendo have too strong of a foot hold in the industry for MS to make some miracle recovery and win the sales war is being twisted into the idea that they are giving up competing or making good games.
He didn’t say consistently good games wasn’t their goal or that it wouldn’t help sales. He said it wouldn’t make a dramatic shift in market share, and he is right.
I doubt he has any worries about being fired. The division still makes profits. But if FM and Starfield both launch to poor reception and are half baked, then some big heads need to roll.
Considering the future will be controller and internet, that was their intention.This makes me feel like the CMA read Microsoft’s intentions perfectly well.
Console focus was a red herring and it’s all about subs and cloud.
Maybe that’s why Microsoft’s PR after the CMA block was childish and embarrassing - they’d been sussed.
Previous nintendo console sold 13 million units. Solidly third place.
Just saying.
You are too emotional man. No Management will directly say that they are defeated. It is a acceptance of defeat.The same thing he's said before about not being in direct competition with Sony, not that they've 'admitted defeat' like the OP headline implies. Those are two different statements.
Figured this should probably have its own thread, given the implications of what Spencer is saying.
Timestamped video from Kinda Funny Xcast:
Here, Spencer basically says there's no way the Xbox can compete with Sony and Nintendo, and then goes on to say that making great games wouldn't help Xbox compete.
I find this attitude utterly baffling, and I think we're now at the point where this dude needs to step away.
Whole quote here, provided by Heisenberg007 :
They lost a lot of good games in the process from 3rd party studios.And it's not the first time, they've gone from worst to first twice in the last 20 years!
Is said about something dramatical....Damn my dictionary is about as useful as Greenberg.What is the definition of 'dramatically'?
You haven't heard yet?Free socks if he is an xbox ambassador
Did he really bought stocks? I thought it was just a memeYou haven't heard yet?
Nintendo gave up on the home console and relied on portable.How disappointing...
Nintendo came back from the Wii U Phil. Yes, Nintendo has always been somewhat apart, but if you have a good hardware and you make GREAT GAMES, you can compete.
You gave me no reason to buy an XSX so far, where are the great exclusives games like in the awesome Xbox 360 Era ? Where ?!
I don't give a shit about games pass and your cloud computing, I want to own my things.
This maybe sets a new record for the amount of spin and doom people put on things Phil says. He literally says the console will always be the focus, they still intend to provide the best games possible. Somehow his (true) admission that Sony and Nintendo have too strong of a foot hold in the industry for MS to make some miracle recovery and win the sales war is being twisted into the idea that they are giving up competing or making good games.
He didn’t say consistently good games wasn’t their goal or that it wouldn’t help sales. He said it wouldn’t make a dramatic shift in market share, and he is right.
I doubt he has any worries about being fired. The division still makes profits. But if FM and Starfield both launch to poor reception and are half baked, then some big heads need to roll.
"I see the commentary that if you just build great games everything will turn around. It’s just not true that if we go off and build great games all of a sudden you’re going to see console share shift in some dramatic way."
Nadella doesn't give a shitW
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He has to lose his job over this, surely?
Xbox has to improve outside of US and UK. That means more 3rd party partnership and not just delivering great games.Wow. People are dumb or at least not capable of comprehension. If your takeaway from this comment is that Xbox is giving up on trying to make quality games, maybe work on active listening skills.
It was a well thought out point that is true. If XBox releases a GOW/TLOU/Uncharted equivalent, even with critical acclaim, they aren't going to go from 3rd place to 1st place. They can't compete using strictly SONY's business model. Their path is through innovation and different services. People (as incredibly obvious viewing NeoGaf) are entrenched in their preference. If the quarterly quality games into Gamepass improving the cost/benefit ratio starts hitting, then that is a possibility but in terms of tactics for competing, it is self aware to admit that traditional console tactics aren't going to pay that many dividends in improving Xbox's foothold in the market.
What is the definition of 'dramatically'?
Did it shift though? PS3 outsold 360 worldwide 2007, 8, 9. The only year 360 did better was 2010 or 2011 with Kinect mania.How did the PS3/360 generation shift? That at least had something to do with content, right? As Sony kept hammering "core" gamers while MS went off on their Kinect misadventures.
People aren't going to sell their PS5 for Starfield NOW, because PS5 has a lot of games and it is years in. The generation isn't starting today. The big problem for Microsoft is that Halo Infinite was delayed a year and came out in shabby shape. It reviewed well, yes, but we all know that is not the game it should have been. But waht if 343 actually delivered a complete, Halo 3-like package at launch? I would argue that things have gone differently.