Pray tell - what message do you think Phil was trying to express in that interview?
Noted...Kinda surprised no one has latched onto him saying he gets paid too much for what he does. There's some more stuff in there guys you can use to keep this party going.
The GameCube looked like a toy at a time when the other consoles were trying to appeal to the teens/older crowd. I think that definitely did not help Nintendo.The Gamecube got demolished as well. They make great games.
You guys are not acknowledging the brand consolidation consumers are demonstrating.
I preferred them at the start of that gen.
The reason anyone says he's admitting defeat in the console space is specifically because he is saying `we can't out console sony and Nintendo`. You can`t more clearly admit defeat than that.Phil isn't admitting defeat in the console space, but it's evident they realized a while ago that it's unlikely to ever outsell Playstations in the near future.
And this is no surprise to anyone here either, a lot of us has said many times over, that MS focus is not on consoles anymore, but on gamepass. And a lot of xbox fans would even denounce that and point out how GP is only responsible for 15% of Xbox revenue. So which is it? We are hearing from him here that they are trying to do their own thing, and that `own` thing is gamepass. Plain and simple.Hence why Phil came up with the idea of expansion and disruption to put Xbox in a place where they will eventually outgross Sony and Nintendo in the videogame market, even if they may never outsell them console-wise.
Yes, its also the reason why MS is trying to acquire as many IPs and publishers as they can.... while simultaneously championing this fake rhetoric of gaming for everyone yet being the single biggest offender when it comes to putting games out of the hands of gamers. Sony pays for timed exclusives, but that doesn't mean the games won't come to other platforms,MS on the other hand, just want to prevent the games from being on other platforms period. And yet are the ones taking the most about inclusion. Their idea of games being on everything is actually you buying into their service. And that some cant see how two-faced that is is shocking to me.It's the reason why Microsoft has finally given Xbox it's full backing, elevated them to being a pillar of the company, and invested billions of dollars including acquisitions to make it come to fruition.
Bullshit.The same thing he's said before about not being in direct competition with Sony, not that they've 'admitted defeat' like the OP headline implies. Those are two different statements.
He never said making great games wouldn't help. He said making great games wouldn't cause someone to drop PS and go to MS. Watch the video .
He never said making great games wouldn't help. He said making great games wouldn't cause someone to drop PS and go to MS. Watch the video .
He literally said they can't out console Sony or Nintendo which to me implies they are trying and he knows they can'tThe same thing he's said before about not being in direct competition with Sony, not that they've 'admitted defeat' like the OP headline implies. Those are two different statements.
He's still downplaying making great games and as a platform owner, that's a ridiculously stupid thing to say.
Yep, it just highlights even more that the topic title is not something in the interview at all and a heavily skewed statement to give off a whole different message.
Thread title is embarrassing. Did some of y'all skip elementary school or something? That's not at all what he said and what he said he's right about. This place is a mess.
"We're not in the business of out-consoling Sony or out-consoling Nintendo. There really isn't a great solution or win for us. I know that will upset a ton of people, but it's just the truth of the matter is that when you're third place in the console marketplace and the top two players are as strong as they are and have in certain cases very, very just discrete focus on doing deals and other things that will kind of make being Xbox hard for us as a team. That's on Us and not anybody else."
"I see the commentary that if you just build great games everything will turn around. It’s just not true that if we go off and build great games all of a sudden you’re going to see console share shift in some dramatic way. We lost the worst generation to lose in the Xbox One generation, where everybody built their digital library of games. We want our Xbox community to feel awesome, but this idea that if we just focused more on great games on our console that somehow we’re going to win the console race doesn’t really lay into the reality of most people. There is no world where Starfield is an 11 out of 10 and people start selling their PS5s, that’s not going to happen."
“At some level, it is a competition, and I’ve said before I want to win,” he explained. “I’m not going to duck that. I want to win. I want to win this generation, but I want to win more than I want the other guy to lose.” Logically, yes, Microsoft is a business in competition with Sony and Nintendo and yes, you want to have the drive to outperform your rivals. It’s just that every month or so we get a batch of sales figures and the console makers all spin them in to make it sound like they’re “winning.”
The same thing he's said before about not being in direct competition with Sony, not that they've 'admitted defeat' like the OP headline implies. Those are two different statements.
I got that as well from the interview, but you dont come out and say what he said. It turns off buyers. Who wants to buy into that ecosystem? Who wants to get gamepass later if they know they make shit products for it?There's always an ulterior motive with quotes like this, so there's two ways to look at what he's saying.
1: He knows MS has plans to shift Microsoft Gaming towards a full 3P publisher model, and shift the Xbox hardware into a PC gaming line of products running Windows
2: He knows MS are planning to fight the CMA's decision and try their damnedest to continue this publisher acquisition strategy to "compete"
Yes on the surface Phil's words are rather honest because no one amazing game or series of them will help Xbox gain back big market share from a competitor who's releasing just as many if not more great, amazing games at the exact same time, and has a much better track record to boot. But, and maybe I'm reading too much into it, this also seems like a coded statement for "Can't you see why we need this acquisition? Making games with what we have won't let us "compete" on its own.".
But again it could also be him pointing towards (1), which I think is looking like an increasingly favorable proposition for Microsoft's gaming division, for a lot of reasons. It would upset the console warriors who want the 360 days back, who want so badly for PS to be toppled by Xbox, but the reality is Xbox is at a crossroads where the only way they can really do that (in MS's eyes) is through a consolidation strategy that's being rightfully scrutinized and closed in on. So if they can't rely on that, and they feel what they have isn't enough to compete (it is, and would be if management at the top were stronger, IMO), and Xbox profits aren't looking so hot...why not just change up the business model into something that would actually work?
This comment of his from that interview is very telling one way or another beyond just the "We can't catch PlayStation!" statement it wants to make.
This is a very realistic take and I mainly agree. I was always okay with them putting out strong AA games and growing their studios organically. This site knows how enthusiastic and in love I was with Hi-Fi Rush. Both Ori games and Psychonauts 2 are also great as well as Obsidian. I think Xbox should have pushed these a lot harder. I don't even think they did much marketing with Ori and the Will of the Wisp which was a damn shame. I do think two generations so far with very little strong AAA output is still a big issue.Well something I've argued before and just been laughed at is that we passed the time when you can just catch up. How long do you think it would take XBG Studios to get to the level of TLOU2 graphically? The big advantage that Nintendo has is that they have continuity of staff and studios dating back to the 1970s. They all still work there and their development culture was never interrupted. Sony has that to a lesser extent (20 years less) but still plenty of continuity. Sucker Punch wasn't amazing. But they got to make multiple trilogies of games that were AA games, well liked but no ground breaking. They got better at finishing projects and scaling up over a long period of time when you could put out a trilogy in 5 years. Now 1 game takes 6 years if you're good. How does a new studio catch up in experience when a trilogy would take 18 years? They literally can't. This is why everyone is pursuing acquisitions, because now it is a finite resource that can't be easily recreated.
If people are fine with Xbox making more AA style games and slowly getting better, then it makes sense. I'm fine with that, but the vast majority of people aren't.
The same thing he's said before about not being in direct competition with Sony, not that they've 'admitted defeat' like the OP headline implies. Those are two different statements.
All of those are on PC. Xbox has stepped away from console exclusives completely.I'm sorry what?
You have
Halo
Gears
Forza
Elder scroll
Fallout
Starfield
Doom
Fucking cod
All the blizzard stuff (you know, small stuff like warcraft, starcraft, overwatch, diablo etc.)
You have more stuff than sony and N combined dude, it is not sony or N faults if they fumbled halo and gears and you need time for the game from the new studios like fable, hellblade 2 etc.
He doesn't think Them making great games will work or it's too hard. So we'll just buy everything. Here, have some Redfall.Phil saying that he doesn’t think great games will help is the most disturbing thing I’ve heard in a while.
Hey Phil, how about you try the great game strategy for once? Everything else you’ve tried hasn’t worked!
Uhh, Sony did this with the PS3 and then with the PS4.I see the commentary that if you just build great games everything will turn around. It’s just not true that if we go off and build great games all of a sudden you’re going to see console share shift in some dramatic way.
It's accepting reality.You are ignoring a ton of shit that he said. He said there isn't a "solution or win" as far as "out-consoling" Sony or Nintendo and that led into this absurd whine that building great games isn't going to change their market share. That's admitting defeat.
Why do people ignore Nintendo as if they don't exist with zero digital library carry over from the Wii U and 3DS to the Switch. Why do you think people buy their console?He makes a good point about last gen being the worst one to lose because people built big digital libraries that carried over. I haven’t owned an Xbox in years but I hope they stick around next gen. Sony running unopposed in the console space would be a disaster.
He didn't say that it wouldn't help.How does he know a steady stream of great games wouldn`t help?
Acquisitions should not be childishly viewed as takeaways but as investments in strengthening their vision. Not to mention they are not simply competing with Sony or Nintendo in the videogame market but also tech giants like Google, Apple, and Facebook.In other words, he just wants to play takeaway because he lost generation after generation and was consistently out maneuvered by PS and Nintendo. And now, instead of making games and creating and cultivating studios he wants to buy up publishers and IPs. I feel like someone has said that before. That's not what I would classify as an idea.
If you want to handle Song PS3, you are welcome.Never expected him to say this. I thought he would pull his usual PR line and damage control.
I think it's time for Microsoft to pull a Sega and go third party.
Full of shit. If you had a string of great games, the market share WOULD change. A year or two of solid hits.
He makes a good point about last gen being the worst one to lose because people built big digital libraries that carried over. I haven’t owned an Xbox in years but I hope they stick around next gen. Sony running unopposed in the console space would be a disaster.
This is something I DO NOT want to hear as someone who will be buying Starfield day one.
He is basically admitting that the only solution is to acquire and take away from SONY to be relavant in console space.
I think he is trying to say "I love games, I love what I do" but saying you get paid too much is not the best way to do it. Your bosses will scrutnize you and reevaluate you, and people jealous or underneath your status in life will just hate you.Noted...