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Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Spirit of Justice |OT| Khura'in, not Kurain
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i got that one first try. my issue was with the
Acolyte murder where you had to click on Heavy in the first statement. I kept clicking it on all the other statements first.
yea, that's what it felt like. altho i'm guessing
Athena being a starter character woul;d be weird and her gameplay witht he Mood Matrix would be hard for new players to grasp. Altho the new Seance stuff wasn't that easy to figure out either.
but after the greatness of Case 3, Case 4 was such a drag. took me two evenings to want to get through it.such a departure from the main story arc.
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that's one issue i have with AA5 and AA6. kinda wish Phoenix was a bit more mature in court.
Already Torn
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It makes sense for him to be on the main stage is its to help Maya, but I agree. It took me forever to get over the whole sweating bullets thing in Duel Destinies, and it's the worst part about the post-Apollo games.
That's the problem. They tried with AA4 and it bombed hard in the West. The only reason we got AA5 and AA6 localized is because of Phoenix being brought back as a main, imo.
Easily agree. The new gimmicks are annoying and take up a lot of time to get through.
There's another way to get it wrong.
I pointed to the flame rather than to the lantern with the flame, it didn't work.
Lol, no.
Takumi really didn't wanna have Phoenix in it from what i read and he tried his hardest to focus on new characters. The shitty cases and new characters didn't help either. Def a game made by committee. Altho I really do love Trucy.
Magnet_Man
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While AA4 had issues, it sold very well (slightly under 250,000 units in the first week) since it was the first new AA game after little over three years. Fan feedback and perhaps resistance from Takumi prompted Capcom to reevaluate the direction to take the series and to change team members.
I knew what it sold. The fan feedback is what I was getting at.
Magnet_Man
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There was never any threat of the series "tanking" though. Tanking implies that Capcom would drop Ace Attorney entirely like they have with many of their other franchises.
They've been really pulling on the nostalgia the last few games. I'm only ch3, so im not sure how everything turns out, but if gumshoe isn't in this, he clearly will be in AA7, maybe oldbag too and larry...
and then what? Will they attempt another 'apollo justice'? Or finally give athena the time to shine for reals?
and then what? Will they attempt another 'apollo justice'? Or finally give athena the time to shine for reals?
The ending of Phoenix Wright: Asinine Attorney was hilarious! Caught me off guard. It's still probably not worth the $4 unless you really want to support the devs since it's so short, but it made me laugh. It is certainly not canon though!
Now, back to the main game. In the middle of case 3 - taking it real slow. It's been good; case 1 didn't do much for me, but I'm liking the intrigue with the Khura'in story a lot more than I was expecting based on the previews.
Now, back to the main game. In the middle of case 3 - taking it real slow. It's been good; case 1 didn't do much for me, but I'm liking the intrigue with the Khura'in story a lot more than I was expecting based on the previews.
The only thing I want to see shinning in regards to Athena is her Tombstone. She's a complete drag on the franchise. While I don't think she's a terrible character, of the main the cast she is the weakest link by far and needs to go because things are way too crowded.
I'm a good way through Case 5 now and the thing that really sticks out to me about this game and DD to a lesser degree is how fractured the series is with 3 attorneys. I always liked Apollo so I would be fine with having him take the reigns completely, it's cool if Phoenix bows out for the most part and maybe shows up for a case in a game, but I won't complain if they keep him on fulltime either. Either way they need to focus on one for the sake of gameplay.
As fun as these games are still and the stories they tell the gameplay has suffered a good deal on the 3DS titles. The over reliance and focus on the court room hurts things a lot for me. Fewer days means fewer investigation periods, which means less actual talking to NPCs outside cross examinations, which means using character abilities less often and other investigation tools.
Using Phoenix's Psyche-Locks twice or Apollo's Perceive ability like 3 times or Ema's dusting for fingerprints and luminol twice is not good gameplay. Look at past games where Phoenix would use his Psyche-locks like 5+ times in one case alone. It was a major gameplay feature. Plus all the other case specific puzzles. Athena's therapy sessions are probably one of my least favorite mechanics and yet it's used the most so far. And it's really not all that different from the Divination Seance, which is more interesting.
Perceive is a nice change of pace from the normal gameplay and introduces an interesting and sometimes amusing look at the NPCs and their great animations. Mood Matrix is just a minor tweak to the Cross Examination system that is already a massive part of the game, it's redundant.
If they used Perceive more they could actually scale the difficulty. But only using it a couple times in the game you can't make it difficult or more challenging because the player doesn't have enough time with it. It's a waste.
Same goes for the Psyche-locks. The original trilogy used them a lot which let them have varying difficulties and they provided an engaging and interesting change of pace to normal conversations and cross examinations. Challenging NPCs and having to disprove their statements with multiple quick fire back and forths using evidence was great. There was a lot of drama to it and while not really fast paced it felt like it compared to the normal dialogue and exchanges. Mood Matrix doesn't have that. It deliberately slows down the already slow cross examination so you focus even more on it.
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Nope.
Anyway, I think Case 3 might be my favorite since AA3. At least in the main games.
ActStriker
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Perceive is fine as an investigation mechanic. They way they used it in cross examination in AA4 is why most people didn't like it.
The Psyche Locks in the last few games have been entirely pointless honestly. When you get to them, you have all the relevant evidence and you can solve them right away. In the older games, a psyche lock appearing was usually a sign that you weren't ready to hear something, and you had to go around, research more and get more evidence before you could break it. AA4's last case
was all about travelling to different locales, gathering evidence and breaking every psyche lock.
I don't mind the therapy sessions. They're just a different take on testimony, but I find them inoffensive. And I think they were used well in AA6. Perceive is fine the way it is in 5 and 6, but in 4 it was a bit tedious.
The Bankslammer
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perceive still totally feels like busywork to me in 6. stare at one hand, wait for text to cycle around, stare at the other hand, wait for text to cycle around, stare at their head...
there's just not really any thought involved. i can appreciate it as a change of pace, but i find it boring
there's just not really any thought involved. i can appreciate it as a change of pace, but i find it boring
Already Torn
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It worked pretty well in 4 which had the poker theme I think.
I mean they are all fine when you get down to it, but greatly rely on how and when they're used. My biggest issue really is that you can't support all three in a single game. There just isn't enough game to really flesh them out as well as they should and build cases around their use when every case you're a different attorney. You don't get a clear progression and familiarization. And that also hurts things from a narrative perspective as well. I like AA5 and 6 a lot, but there are clear short comings compared to the original trilogy and even AA4 as a result of this too many cooks situation.
So I'm on the day 2 investigation of case 5.
Well, I THOUGHT Inga was going to be the obvious case 5 villain, but I guess not, lol. Which...really just shifts the "obvious case 5 villain" suspicion over to Ga'ran, since I'm pretty sure she's the only remaining recurring character who could feasibly even be the villain--really doubt they're going to introduce a brand new character as the killer this far into the story. Guessing one of her royal guardsmen was the one who killed Inga under her command--they would've been able to blend in once the rest of them stormed the tomb very easily.
Nocturnowl
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In general I'm not entirely fond of stuff like the mood matrix and perceive in court since the series follows a strict evidence is everything mantra which doesn't really work when you're character is like "but hang on, my machine tells me you were more sad than I think you should've been in this situation! WHY DAMMIT?!"
Seems like something the typical prosecution of the series would immediately flag as nonsense.
You do get the odd moment where these things work, Perceive I don't mind so much for when you had Alita Tiala's tell give away her neck bruise, definitely works fine for me in investigation segments.
Seems like something the typical prosecution of the series would immediately flag as nonsense.
You do get the odd moment where these things work, Perceive I don't mind so much for when you had Alita Tiala's tell give away her neck bruise, definitely works fine for me in investigation segments.
all the old gimmicks is still better than the new thing.
maybe im just an idiot, but i have the hardest time figuring this stuff out, like the beginning of trial 3 day 1 court. Took me countless tries to figure out
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They need to bring back the logic chess from AAI2, I enjoyed that.
maybe im just an idiot, but i have the hardest time figuring this stuff out, like the beginning of trial 3 day 1 court. Took me countless tries to figure out
the footsteps not getting bigger, even though the game hints at you to look at text size increases
They need to bring back the logic chess from AAI2, I enjoyed that.
Nocturnowl
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Not that my current thoughts help much here because I'm undecided on what I prefer out of Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice so far but...
AA1>AA3>AA4>AAI2>AA6=AA5>AA2>AAI
Vs Layton can be thrown somewhere in the middle there
So far the first 3 cases alone are better than AA5 overall, imo. I'll have better judgement once I start and finish Case 5 this weekend.
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So far I've undoubtedly enjoyed it more, on Case 4. It just seemed better put together.
i like the cases so far, yet i want to stab the prosecutor in the face with a ceremonial knife.
God I hope he's redeemed later or something because I just can't stand him.
Pretty much all other prosecutors have some sort of quirk and are kinda assholes, but usually are lovable in some way. 3 cases in, and this dude seems to offer none of that.
God I hope he's redeemed later or something because I just can't stand him.
Pretty much all other prosecutors have some sort of quirk and are kinda assholes, but usually are lovable in some way. 3 cases in, and this dude seems to offer none of that.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
My personal rankings are AA3 > AA1 = AA6 > AA5 > AA4 > AA2 >>> AAI. Playing through AAI2 right now and it seems like it's pretty far up there, though.
AA4 has my single favorite case in the series despite being ranked so low (4-1). That game started SO strongly. 4-4 was some good stuff too, but the witnesses were super annoying.
AA4 has my single favorite case in the series despite being ranked so low (4-1). That game started SO strongly. 4-4 was some good stuff too, but the witnesses were super annoying.
I don't remember enough of the series now to do a full ranking, but AA6 is undoubtedly best of the second trilogy, but definitely not better than AA1 and AA3. I also remember really liking AAI2 when I finished it but I don't really remember much of it nowadays. I don't think case 5 of AA6 is as good as a climax as the others either.
So maybe...
AA1 > AA3 >>> AAI2 > Layton > AA6 > AA2 > AA4/AA5/AAI1
Edit: I actually like the Seances, yes it's a bit more difficult than the others and sometimes too restrictive, but it feels more organic to evaluate evidence. It's pretty much like evaluating video footage but the different senses makes it easier to target contradictions.
Seances > Perceive = Psyche Locks >>>> Mood Matrix
Mood matrix feels too much like messing with the witness. It's more suitable when dealing with witnesses such as kids, but otherwise it often feels like everyone is in on the ride for no good reason.
So maybe...
AA1 > AA3 >>> AAI2 > Layton > AA6 > AA2 > AA4/AA5/AAI1
Edit: I actually like the Seances, yes it's a bit more difficult than the others and sometimes too restrictive, but it feels more organic to evaluate evidence. It's pretty much like evaluating video footage but the different senses makes it easier to target contradictions.
Seances > Perceive = Psyche Locks >>>> Mood Matrix
Mood matrix feels too much like messing with the witness. It's more suitable when dealing with witnesses such as kids, but otherwise it often feels like everyone is in on the ride for no good reason.
its weird ranking the series, i just see it as a whole. Like whenever i do a replay, i just go from 1- the latest.
Makes more sense to rank cases, in which for all its little pacing issues, I still think 1-5 is my favorite. the tag teaming of edgey and phoenix against the police chief. Soo good.
Makes more sense to rank cases, in which for all its little pacing issues, I still think 1-5 is my favorite. the tag teaming of edgey and phoenix against the police chief. Soo good.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Oh shoot, I forgot about 1-5. I think that's up there with 4-1 as my fav. It was a real no-nonsense case for the AA universe, with grounded gimmicks like forensics instead of spirit channeling and whatnot. It's the most "real" case in the series and has a very different mood and tone because of that. I wish the series went that route post AA1 instead of going even further into fantasy land.
Probably why I enjoyed the AAI games. Give me some CBS crime procedural with a bit of a japanese flair.
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