revolverjgw
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Eh. It's not Pink Floyd, it's David Gilmour using the Pink Floyd name.
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Pink Floyd to release new album The Endless River in October
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CartridgeBlower
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100%. I was always surprised Pink Floyd fans were so accepting of them without Waters when he was such a strong songwriter for the group and dictated much of their direction. Just look at the liner notes.
Exactly. Still worth checking out probably, but it's not Pink Floyd without Waters.
What's there to accept? If it's good it's good. If not then whatever. I like waters stuff and Gilmours stuff almost equally. I'm nota judge , I can't tell him what name he can or can't used. That was decided long ago. It's not like anyone's being deceived by this either. We all know what we're getting here.
Bands change lineups a lot. Especially old ones. Yes is still touring while missing important people. King crimson called themselves that after completely reforming numerous times. Steve Hackett revisits Genesis stuff. Shit happens. What matters is if it's good.
Depends on who you ask. My dad says that Pink Floyd stopped being Pink Floyd when Barrett left. It's all a matter of perspective and which era you are most attached to.
The_Reckoning
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I'm waiting for the catch. But I'm stoked for the possibilities!
Slackbladder
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Yes, this seems to be material recorded during the Division Bell sessions and mainly Rick Wrights stuff. But there are vocals being added too.
Can't say I was that impressed with the post-Waters Floyd output. A couple of tracks on each album but nothing truly outstanding. The shows were good though.
Hopefully this'll be similar in theme to Marooned from The Division Bell (that albums best track). I have Rick Wrights solo album Broken China and some of it is pretty good. Let's hope this album is too.
Can't say I was that impressed with the post-Waters Floyd output. A couple of tracks on each album but nothing truly outstanding. The shows were good though.
Hopefully this'll be similar in theme to Marooned from The Division Bell (that albums best track). I have Rick Wrights solo album Broken China and some of it is pretty good. Let's hope this album is too.
This kinda feels like a Led Zeppelin Coda to me, not in terms of quality, just in terms of production and release.
Wright dies and Gilmour and Mason talk about the recording sessions from the 90s (93/94 and rumoured to be 99) and then get working on cleaning them up and putting them out.
Of course you have to add the "Gilmour Perfectionist Time" to it and here we are.
Wright dies and Gilmour and Mason talk about the recording sessions from the 90s (93/94 and rumoured to be 99) and then get working on cleaning them up and putting them out.
Of course you have to add the "Gilmour Perfectionist Time" to it and here we are.
Slackbladder
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Indeed. The Final Cut really is a powerful piece. The Gunners Dream in particular.
I got to see that song played at a Waters gig in '84 with Clapton on guitar (instead of the sax solo). Just wow...
Bel Marduk
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Its not really Wright's swan-song. He put out a solo album after that called Broken China.
revolverjgw
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Barrett-era Floyd is my favorite but I still think of the "default" Floyd as being Waters/Gilmour/Mason/Wright. That's the defining lineup that codified the Pink Floyd sound. Piper-era is its own crazy thing that's so creatively removed that it stands alone. And post-Waters is, like, Pink Fauxd. And now it's even more diluted.
Bel Marduk
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I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan but both The Wall and The Final Cut are love letters to Roger Waters' own ego. I think there's a good chance he'll be on the new album.. and we'll learn about it closer to the release.
Poimandres
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An album and a couple of songs was his Pink Floyd legacy, as opposed to the 10 albums with the core Floyd group.
I would tell your dad he is wrong.
Slackbladder
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Thing is about The Wall, it was recorded at a time when Pink Floyd were essentially bankrupt after some investment bank went under with all their money. Gilmour and Wright made solo albums around thid time but only Waters had enough material for a new Pink Floyd album. In fact it was material for The Wall (originally 3 albums worth) and The Pros and Cons of Hitch-Hiking. Basically without his input Pink Floyd were fucked (at least in terms of income). So sure, Waters is indeed all over that album. But there really was no other alternative.
He's not in Pink Floyd anymore so he won't feature on the album unless he's a guest. Which to be honest is unlikely even though he is on better terms with Gilmour now.
Discotheque
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yeah i didn't really enjoy this band post-wright. from what i've seen of their live releases though they still had a killer live show.
Edit: wtf I meant waters my bad
Edit: wtf I meant waters my bad
I feel like time has been kinder in hindsight to Division Bell than it has been to Final Cut. At the end of the day both albums were basically labeled as a solo album of each prospective frontman. The only difference is The Final Cut had the fortune of having Roger Waters just coming off of helming the writing duties on four legendary Floyd albums, and even if The Wall already showed some not so subtle hints of Waters stroking his ego it was hard not to see the incredible cynicism one might have had for Gilmour continuing the name without what was basically the group's concept master when Waters had easily paid his dues.
Waters was the brains, Gilmour was the brawn (well, musically speaking). Remove one from another and the band as a whole will lack a certain spirit. Personally I enjoy Gilmour's technical prowess a bit too much to dismiss the two post-Waters albums. The Division Bell had some really good tracks (What Do You Want From Me and Marooned come to mind).
If there is one thing that worries me about The Endless River it's that Gilmour ultimately did have a point when it came to The Final Cut. It wasn't just that the album was too Waters dominated, it's that if the songs found in that album weren't good enough for The Wall, there was nothing implying that they were going to be good now. I feel like that same amount of skepticism can be applied here, but I guess this album is less of an attempt of filling a contractual void and more just paying dues to some Floyd fans who might want to experience what's left in the vault.
Came across this earlier today, has some nice early demos and outtakes from the 80s and 90s era of Pink Floyd
Specifically tracks 7-15 are from the Division Bell period, might've been used on the new album.
http://thinkfloyd61.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/pink-floyd-secret-rarities-reva-this.html
Specifically tracks 7-15 are from the Division Bell period, might've been used on the new album.
http://thinkfloyd61.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/pink-floyd-secret-rarities-reva-this.html
ElectricBlanketFire
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Grover Cleveland
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I love Dave, but I can't cosign this at all.
Profiteering off the Floyd name to sell Gilmour records like this isn't a good look.
Profiteering off the Floyd name to sell Gilmour records like this isn't a good look.
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Didn't really care for The Division Bell, love The Final Cut. As much as I love Gilmour, Floyd seems at their best when balancing between dark cynicism and the hopeful and sometimes melancholic sound of Gilmour. Its needs that Waters bite.
Tragicomedy
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I love Floyd. Super hyped.
wanderingprostheyltite
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Eh, your argument of "quantity" to underscore Piper's impact doesn't hold imo, even though the lineup they're mostly known for is the era I resonate with the most. Barrett's work had an enormous influence on many musicians, underscoring his contribution because it was "just one album and a few songs" is doing a disservice to the work he did.
Tracklisting for CD and Double Vinyl
"SIDE 1"
Things Left Unsaid
Its What We Do
Ebb and Flow
"SIDE 2"
Sum
Skins
Unsung
Anisina
"SIDE 3"
The Lost Art of Conversation
On Noodle Street
Night Light
Allons-y (1)
Autumn 68
Allons-y (2)
Talkin Hawkin
"SIDE 4"
Calling
Eyes to Pearls
Surfacing
Louder Than Words
"SIDE 1"
Things Left Unsaid
Its What We Do
Ebb and Flow
"SIDE 2"
Sum
Skins
Unsung
Anisina
"SIDE 3"
The Lost Art of Conversation
On Noodle Street
Night Light
Allons-y (1)
Autumn 68
Allons-y (2)
Talkin Hawkin
"SIDE 4"
Calling
Eyes to Pearls
Surfacing
Louder Than Words
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
I prefer Waters-era Pink Floyd but I quite liked The Division Bell and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't intrigued about this.
DiscoJer
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I think that might be true for A Momentary Lapse of Reason, but The Division Bell (and this, which came from those recording sessions) was a Pink Floyd album. You had Rick Wright contributing a lot.
He had been bullied back during the Waters days. Gilmour treated him as a partner in the band.
revolverjgw
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You have got to be kidding me
Slackbladder
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Yeah, I can see some of The Division Bell in the titles on some of these tracks. Hopefully it won't be too similar as for me the album was a bit so-so. I am hoping there are quite a few instrumental parts as they usually stand out the best on post Waters Pink Floyd albums.
Autumn '68 is an interesting title as Wright wrote the song Summer '68 on Atom Heart Mother.
I am looking forward to it. I'm sure some of it will be middling but at the same time some of it will also have flashes of brilliance!
By The Division Bell Wright was back in Pink Floyd as a full member. So it was a Pink Floyd album, more so than AMLoR. Ironically I prefer AMLoR over TDB with the exception of a few tracks from both.
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