Piscatella:PS5 is currently the US market leader by a significant margin; PS5 trending 8% ahead of PS4, XBS trailing XBO by 13%
FunkMiller
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Uncle Phil's abject failure in hard numbers.
Rocco Schiavone
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ByWatterson
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Once again - the console market isn't collapsing. Xbox is.
Little Chicken
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XBOX SERIES X|S only "slightly" behind Microsoft's most successful console, the XBOX 360, is really good!!!
LordOfChaos
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Pedro Motta
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Killjoy-NL
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In their strongest market as well.
Skifi28
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It's great. They're doing so well, they're even porting games to their competitors to give them a fighting chance.
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XXL
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It's not.
The 360 had an abnormal explosion in sales at the end of its lifespan because of Kinect.
The beginning of the 360 was very slow.
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GHG
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I was told PC ports are killing the business
ShadowkillXNA
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Xbox 360? You mean the console that was outsold every month of the generation worldwide by it's competitor the ps3 after it's release?
The console that came in 3rd it's generation?
That console?
Mr Moose
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TheGodfather07
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How is it even possible to be worse off after spending like close to 100b on acquisitions, including 2 huge publishers? I'll tell you how and it's very simple. Consistent good games. Something Microsoft just can't seem to grasp. How many games could they have created with that 100b instead of buying up shit that was already on their platform ffs! Such a dumb fucking company.
JCreasy
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FunkMiller
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Clearly there is a distinct lack of creative talent at XBox, and there always has been. No other explanation for how so many years can go by with so few games to sell the damned consoles.
squidilix
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Without a price decrease. Without the Pro model. Without GTA VI.
Yeah, thing gonna be crazy next year.
peish
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Cant shake the feeling Xbox Series failed hard for no reasons.
Series X and S certainly looked more attractive than One Kinect Mattrick nonsene.
Likewise PS5 strange design and questions about its hardware early on, did not look as strong as PS4.
What happened? How did Phil failed when the foundation looked solid?
I blame covid and then inflation.
Series X and S certainly looked more attractive than One Kinect Mattrick nonsene.
Likewise PS5 strange design and questions about its hardware early on, did not look as strong as PS4.
What happened? How did Phil failed when the foundation looked solid?
I blame covid and then inflation.
Luminoth-4545
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True but very misleading, the Xbox 360 had a relatively slow start and sold quite a bit worse than Xbox One in it's first few years. The Xbox Series sales trajectory is completely different and it's best year is already behind us. Sales for 2024 are approximately 710K after April and for the whole year it is on course for a flat 3 million in the United states.
Worldwide shipments tell the same story, the XB360 peaked late and the XBS has peaked very early (shipments in millions of units).
Note: The fiscal year starts on April 1st and ends on March 31st.
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ShaiKhulud1989
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And this is NTSC sales. Imagine the PAL slaughter.
Spitfire098
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Radical_3d
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Yesterday I saw the Xbox E3 2014 with Kyle Bosman. The presented like 7 games. 3 are cancelled. That's with Phil and his new management. It's hard to feel sorry for them.
Oh and one was Halo Guardians. I didn't loathed a Halo game that much since 4. And the 343 president was there saying things like they care about the legacy and bla bla bla. It was infuriating.
Oh and one was Halo Guardians. I didn't loathed a Halo game that much since 4. And the 343 president was there saying things like they care about the legacy and bla bla bla. It was infuriating.
Killjoy-NL
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XBox was a walking corpse the moment they announced the XBO.
It's just that MS had deep enough pockets to delay the inevitable.
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ShaiKhulud1989
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People won't ditch their entire library for 'free' $70 game. Even Mat is very skeptical about the CoD push for GP/Xbox in his earlier tweets. And he's a natural optimist.
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kaizenkko
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Wait for Starfield.
Wait for Hellblade.
Wait until next year.
When COD fails to increase GP subs, what will be the next target? Rockstar and GTA?
Elfstar
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It never made any freaking sense that the market could somewhat sustain two consoles that pretty much shared 99% of the hardware specs and 95% of the games.
All Xbox games are and will be playable elsewhere, and they have by far the most unappealing brand. MS' hardware collapsing makes so much sense.
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Gambit2483
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Sony and (especially) Xbox need to take advantage of every month they have before the Switch 2 drops. Once Switch 2 is released I don't see too many first place sales for PS5 and never for Xbox.
LordCBH
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Physiognomonics
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They are killing the software (first party) business on consoles. People still buy consoles to play Fortnite and others F2P games.
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Daneel Elijah
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For me it was more that Xbox promised too much and took too much time to make it happen. The 2020 Xbox showcase have many games that have yet to be played, because most of it was CGI and in the planning phase. Quite a few games got delayed and failed to be as good as they would need it to be to move more consoles. Even the Activision merger took longer than they planned at first. Covid really fucked them hard, yes. But Xbox choice to not fight Sony for temporary exclusives outside of Gamepass deals/buying the studio was one of their biggest mistakes. Even if I understand that games like Stellar blade would have cost too much, games like Sifu don't harm anybody and having some goodwill would have been good for them. Having 1 year with no games and having Redfall as their first next gen game was not a great plan too.
Shake Your Rump
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It's also significantly more expensive. Hell, I'd be happy with an Xbox One X, but they replaced it with something that would cost me $735 CAD after tax.
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mayham2199
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All of that seems like a good argument but you left out games and that's all I care about. Sony delivered that to me consistently while Xbox stopped at the end of the 360 era.
MadchesterManc
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Imagine being as loved by Xbox fans as Phil is yet doing a worse job than the hated Don Mattrick 
Killjoy-NL
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Weird, Gaf told me Nintendo wouldn't be a competitor to Sony and Playstation would have a monopoly.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
And those games generate most of the revenue for platform holders. How is that killing the software business?
DonkeyPunchJr
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FunkMiller
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I'm sure the game designed to run on 11 year old bad hardware is going to change everything!
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It trailing 360 is even worst IMO, because XBO was a decent bit ahead of 360 launch-aligned. If the numbers I saw are correct, 360 was very slightly over 15 million by this time launch-aligned in the U.S.
So at best, I could see Series at ~ 14.8 million in the US right now. Between 14.8 million and 15 million for a range. The bigger problem for MS is, the U.S is by far the biggest market for the console, at something like 55%. UK is probably something like 10-15%, Canada & Mexico probably another 10 - 15% combined. So that's probably only 15% - 25% for ROTW (Europe, Japan, Middle East, India, rest of Asia, Africa, Brazil, etc.).
At this pace I don't know if Xbox will reach 30 million sold-through by the end of the year. I say that because
Welfare
estimates ~ 750K Xbox Series have been sold in the US between January and April of this year. That could potentially mean global numbers are ~ 1.425 million in that same period. And I personally think XBS sales were at ~ a bit over 25 million sold-through by the start of the year. They might end up moving less than 5 million units this year if COD in Game Pass doesn't drive unit sales. Because that's kind of all they have left to do so (Indiana Jones might be a fine game but that IP doesn't have the pull it used to).
True but very misleading, the Xbox 360 had a relatively slow start and sold quite a bit worse than Xbox One in it's first few years. The Xbox Series sales trajectory is completely different and it's best year is already behind us. Sales for 2024 are approximately 710K after April and for the whole year it is on course for a flat 3 million in the United states.
Worldwide shipments tell the same story, the XB360 peaked late and the XBS has peaked very early (shipments in millions of units).
Note: The fiscal year starts on April 1st and ends on March 31st.
Wait, they're saying 14.26 million for Series? That seems like more than "slightly behind" 360 to me; again the chart I grabbed for 360 might've been wrong but they pegged it at slightly above 15 million same timeframe.
Maybe I'm being generous with the 14.8 million to Series, then
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