Piscatella:PS5 is currently the US market leader by a significant margin; PS5 trending 8% ahead of PS4, XBS trailing XBO by 13%
iHaunter
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The main issue was the mainboard clasp. It was on too tight so that when the motherboard got very hot it would bend the motherboard.
thismeinteil
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I doubt PS5 ever reaches $299. $399 is a nice goal, though. Personally, I would love to see a $399 PS5 and a $499 Pro later this year. However, it'll most likely be $449 PS5 and $549 Pro. Inflation is a bitch.
Also, not sure why you would expect better when by this time PS4 Pro was launched at $399 and the base PS4 was just $299. If anything, I'm surprised it's still above the PS4.
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Venom Snake
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Of course they are, when Hermen flushes the office toilet, yen flow instead of water.
aliadiere25
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Remember when the judge for the Activision deal said this?
Yeah, it was shrinking... but only for Xbox.
Yeah, it was shrinking... but only for Xbox.
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ShadowkillXNA
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Over 50% of xbox 360's on the assembly line before release failed quality control.
And Microsoft chose to release it on time anyway.
Shows you what kind of company they are and what they really think of their consumers.
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MacReady13
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Exactly right. As Microsoft try hard to tell everyone console sales are dwindling (they aren't) they continue to push a service that really isn't growing and telling us that it is the future of gaming!!!
JCreasy
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Mr.Phoenix
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You are speaking too much sense. So none of that would happen.
Well maybe price drop around GTA6. Though I am more expecting GTA6 bundled with PS5 at $399 instead.
As for the sales, don't forget that PS5 had an abnormal year last year... with stock finally meeting demand. I actually expect it to be behind last year sales all year through.
Mr.Phoenix
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Wow....
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diffusionx
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Rhazer Fusion
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Also, putting your first party games on other competing platforms probably won't do any favors for your hardware sales either. After that tactic, Microsoft should be grateful the sales are as high as they are now.
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Unknown?
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Who cares? That's like saying Switch currently is doing poorly because it's not number 1.
Gambit2483
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I'm pretty sure both Sony and Nintendo of Japan don't see it that way. If you are competing for time and money then you are technically competitors.
Do people like to tell themselves this because they don't like the idea of weaker hardware actually being the dominant force in the industry market? These machines share many titles where if someone (that owns both mmachines) buys DQ12 for Switch and not PS5, that's a lost sale for Sony. How is that not a competition for sales?
I'm confused. Is this not a sales thread? If I replaced Switch with Xbox (and the market reflected as such) would people not be, once again, clamoring for Nintendo to go 3rd party (facetiously or otherwise) ?
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Humdinger
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Covid and inflation have been factors for the PS5 and Switch as well. So they couldn't be the explanation for why Xbox is floundering.
Everybody else already supplied the real reasons, so I won't beat that dead horse.
balls of snow
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No red line indeed.
Unknown?
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Pointing out an aging console isn't beating one in its prime is silly.
Mr.Phoenix
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Nope. Its just common sense. By your logic, Sony and Nintendo are also competing with mobile phones... hell even Netflix.
While if you are painting in really broad strokes that may sound the same, it's just not true.
You can have two or more players in the same industry that are not direct competitors with each other. This is common sense. eg. Honda and Ferrari are both cars. But they are not catering to the same audience or even used in the same way.
The Switch (which is more or less a handheld) and the PS5, a 4K set top box console are both gaming devices, but their audience, use case and libraries rarely overlap. And that is why they are not direct competitors.
I find it shocking that in 2024 this still has to be explained. All you have to do is look at the game libraries of both platforms. There is very very very little overlap. They probably share like less than 20% of their library. Whereas, PS5 shares like over 80% of its library with the Xbox. That is how you know who is a direct competitor. Look at the games. There will no doubt be some overlap... but in the grand scheme of things, there is enough library isolation to mean both platforms are their own thing. You can make a case for having one and then the other as a secondary. You can't really make a case for having both an Xbox and a PS5.
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Astray
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That would be the worst move possible.
Making COD next gen only would not only cripple the install base that's willing to buy the game, it also risks prompting Xbox One owners to jump ship to PS5.
Furthermore, you don't want to risk making a COD that won't run well on Switch 2 either.
MS is taking a risk (imo) on COD being day 1 on Gamepass, but otherwise they seem on course for a record breaking entry IMHO.
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Gambit2483
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My point wasn't even about the Switch but the Switch 2 and it's arrival and affect on the market. I wouldn't. be surprised if Switch 2 effectively placed Xbox in 4th place sales (Switch 1 being 3rd)
Gambit2483
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They are both videogame platforms and when Switch 2 launches its very possible that they will share similar libraries, at least with many 3rd party Japanese developers.
The problem is that people will easily accept Nintendo as "the loser" of the race that needs to go third party but when Nintendo succeeds they "don't count" for a number of bs arbitarty "rules". If I never play my Switch portably is it still a handheld only? Even If it (hypothetically) shared 80% of its multiplats?
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Unknown?
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Yes and my point was it is silly to compare Switch 2 to Xbox or PS5. Both are aging and past their peak.
Gambit2483
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So basically we can't compare Switch or Switch 2 because they didn't launch at the same time as Xbox Series?
Angry_Megalodon
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Switch-only players have different drivers from Playstation-only players. Even if their libraries were 80% the same, their purchase decision would depend on the other 20%.
Mr.Phoenix
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Well I don't know what to tell you then.They are both videogame platforms and when Switch 2 launches its very possible that they will share similar libraries, at least with many 3rd party Japanese developers.
The problem is that people will easily accept Nintendo as "the loser" of the race that needs to go third party but when Nintendo succeeds they "don't count" for a number of bs arbitarty "rules". If I never play my Switch portably is it still a handheld only? Even If it (hypothetically) shared 80% of its multiplats?
I just feel there is too clear a distinction between them to say they are competing directly with each other. That some people say they are, or that some fanboys jump at opportunities to take digs at one platform or the other, doesn't mean what they say or how they arrive at that point is legit. I would like to think that at the end of the day, common sense will always prevail.
Take what you have just said here, for instance, you cant even make your argument without basing it off on a big if that has not even happened yet. And as I said, there will always be some overlap... but they are not the same.
And to your question... the switch being a handheld or portable doesn't just speak to its use case.. so yh, you can never play your switch portable... but it is still handheld hardware. And if you don't know the difference between something that has to fit within a 20W power budget and something that sits at 200W+, then this sis a waste of time.
But like I have said here already... it all comes down to the games. The library. That is what determines who you are competing with for the majority of cases. Until such a time... and that time has not happened yet... that the switch/switch 2 shares like 80%+ of its library with the PS whatever... they are not direct competitors.
And there is more to what makes them different audiences than just the libraries, but that the important one. After that, you start to talk about things like performance/hardware and then things like people who want a portable system and those who don't. And then lastly... exclusives. Ads far as I am concerned, anyone who says the are the same thing just to piss on one or the other saleswise, is equally as disingenuous as anyone that says they are the same because they are "both game consoles".
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Unknown?
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Launch aligned, sure, but if not do you think it's fair to say PS5 is destroying the Switch right now?
NickFire
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Even that is potentially debateable. Those old machines still in use can still have owners spending good money on games and mtx because they still get support and run most of biggest games in some fashion.Failure to upgrade already doesn't mean they left market and cross gen just doesn't end this time.
ProtoByte
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It killed Xbox's.
And PlayStation's significantly down in Europe. Aka PC land.
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drganon
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Destin in full on cope mode.Xbox journalists:
Moridianae
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I think they'll continue to be so. *If* this new multiplatform endeavor is as vast as it is being hinted at to be by people that are trustworthy, like our own Heisen or Sneaker, or Shinobi who also seems knowledgeable.
I'll be interested to see how they cope if something like Halo or Gears does show up, even if it's MCC or even a Gears Collection.
No real way to "spin" that. Your company has gone third party and that's that, really. And Sea of Thieves proves there's a very willing market waiting on PlayStation, which would probably make Microsoft a ton of money.
Gotta recoup those buyout billions somehow and Chief and Fenix will do it, seeing Sea of Thieves success.
BlackTron
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Gaming is bigger than 360 days. Despite being their golden age as #1, Nintendo wouldn't be thrilled with sales just below NES
anothertech
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Xbox is fading into the ether. I feel a bit sad.
Denorion
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Gotta give something to Phill Spencer, he is an A+ salesman, made tons of people buy into his BS that "no, our console is not flopping because we suck at our jobs, it's because the entire market is down" despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary
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Hawking Radiation
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Given their track record so far this gen? Zero. They would have created zero good games.
I used to think using money like that to start studios and make games was the correct answer, but I now think Microsoft has deeper problems and any dollar spent on Xbox is a dollar flushed down the toilet.
Killjoy-NL
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There is no coming back for Xbox. It's over.
FewRope
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Just buying the game on PS5 vs buying a whole new console for playing CoD on GP
I dont know how anyone thinks that is going to happen
diffusionx
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Imagine being in a conference room with your lawyers trying to figure out how to get this deal done and one of them says, "Phil, we need to convince the judge that our product totally sucks ass and is extremely small and irrelevant and unpopular compared to Nintendo and Sony." And Phil is like, "cool let's do it"
mckmas8808
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The dominoes are always waiting to fall.
Plague Doctor
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Wait for E3.
Wait. Shit.....
On a serious point, the mid to late 2010s were hilarious with superfans moving the goal post back and back and back... and back over literal years for either new releases or announcements at conferences. The humor just turns to sadness that it is still happening to some degree. Nothing is going to change with the same leadership.
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