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[SLoWMoTIoN]

After seeing some of the responses here I googled for a bit.
https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-quick-statistics.php

This is something else considering how many poor dogs roam the street after being abandoned, either get run over or somehow survive to become feral over time. I'd figure the Dalmatian would be higher. Anybody else got different statistics/numbers?

 

[petran79]

The thing is, can you be 100% sure that they won't bite? If not, the risk is too high, especially when it comes to stray dogs who may have diseases.

I come from the countryside, so I'm very familar with all kinds of dogs. Not sure about stray ones though. While I did meet some without an owner from time to time, they were maybe just out for a stroll. And yeah, carrying a snack makes sense (if there are a lot around), considering that they are likely underfed.

Last year I rented a flat in a small city and there was a pack of dogs around a parking lot that would bark at whomever they picked. Even little children that would be scared to death and scream. Worse thing was that they remembered specific people, especially the ones that had to react due to fear or lack of calmness and even choice. Eg there was a guy in an electric wheelchair whom they barked at and pestered. Thing is, some of those dogs roamed free without leash yet they resided inside the yard of a building. Owner received many complaints. So they'd be isolated for a few days or kicked out of that area, yet after a while they'd return.

We are in the worst possible situation where the local authorities do not do enough because their kennel facilities are full. So now either people put up with it and give the strays leftovers or dog food, while others go the opposite route and food poison them . They are punished severely if they get caught, since laws became stricter fortunately.
But stray dogs and cats are a huge problem here. Add to this irresponsible owners who abandon their pets or do not sterilize them so as to save a few bucks and also because they consider it inhumane. I even talked to a vet who was against sterilizing cats! As a result they abandon the puppies and kittens and thus they multiply. Add also the illegal pet trade to other countries.

Fortunately there are some volunteers who take the task of sterilization and are much cheaper. We found one who collaborates with vet students from the UK who visit the country for sterilization.

 

[Halo is Back]

Wow! A breed that was made to fight an kill is killing owners! who would have predicted this!!!!

 

[Luffytubby]

After seeing some of the responses here I googled for a bit.
https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-quick-statistics.php

This is something else considering how many poor dogs roam the street after being abandoned, either get run over or somehow survive to become feral over time. I'd figure the Dalmatian would be higher. Anybody else got different statistics/numbers?

Having seen these types of pie chars for 15+ years on the internet coming up in these discussions, pit bull defenders are quick to point out that these high numbers for pit bulls come from the fact that most people cannot tell a pit bull apart from of the other breeds that look somewhat similar. I have no idea how much of that defense has validity, but thats usually how these discussions play out.

My opinion about Pits is like with guns and drugs and shit like that. The shitheads who cannot do it rightly end up ruining it for everyone else. Thats just fucking life. Many people get Pit Bulls for the perception. They are infamous for demanding respect. Most people are intimidated by Pit Bulls and for good reason. So people get Pits for these reasons are often not good dog owners, and that reinforces bad behavior. It's a vicious circle.
I have seen people neglect other breeds like Huskies and German Shepards - They can kill small children too. They can bite other dogs. Even Labs and Retrievers have been known to do it. Dogs can be anxious and afraid when they have had bad shit happen to them. Pits were just not domesticated in the same manner as other friendlier breeds.
I was at a Shelter to get a cat 3 months ago, and I saw the dog section. Nothing but Pits or pit mix breed. It was fucking crazy. Fucking morons getting dogs they cannot handle. Its so out of control. Its not the dogs fault, its too many stupid people.




Im gonna get myself a Doge when I am gonna get a dog. Shibas over everything. Maybe a "Ein" Corgi too. Dogs are the best!

 

[Lucumo]

Last year I rented a flat in a small city and there was a pack of dogs around a parking lot that would bark at whomever they picked. Even little children that would be scared to death and scream. Worse thing was that they remembered specific people, especially the ones that had to react due to fear or lack of calmness and even choice. Eg there was a guy in an electric wheelchair whom they barked at and pestered. Thing is, some of those dogs roamed free without leash yet they resided inside the yard of a building. Owner received many complaints. So they'd be isolated for a few days or kicked out of that area, yet after a while they'd return.

We are in the worst possible situation where the local authorities do not do enough because their kennel facilities are full. So now either people put up with it and give the strays leftovers or dog food, while others go the opposite route and food poison them . They are punished severely if they get caught, since laws became stricter fortunately.
But stray dogs and cats are a huge problem here. Add to this irresponsible owners who abandon their pets or do not sterilize them so as to save a few bucks and also because they consider it inhumane. I even talked to a vet who was against sterilizing cats! As a result they abandon the puppies and kittens and thus they multiply. Add also the illegal pet trade to other countries.

Fortunately there are some volunteers who take the task of sterilization and are much cheaper. We found one who collaborates with vet students from the UK who visit the country for sterilization.

Uff, sounds like a pretty awful situation. Luckily, I live in a country where that isn't the case and people are usually way closer to dogs in general since they always helped us in the past and still do so in the present. The only issue I have is with keeping anything but really small dogs inside apartments. Honestly, dogs need space to run around and have fun. If you can't really provide that, don't bother. When I still lived in the countryside, we had a pretty big backyard and even that one felt small when our Bernese mountain dog and collie mix went for a sprint.
Anyway, no clue how the situation on your side can be changed. People need to become more responsible, I guess.

I have seen people neglect other breeds like Huskies and German Shepards - They can kill small children too. They can bite other dogs. Even Labs and Retrievers have been known to do it. Dogs can be anxious and afraid when they have had bad shit happen to them.

Absolutely. We got our collie mix from an animal shelter and he snapped after people getting too close to his tail (while brushing the hair for instance). It's very likely he had people (most likely kids) pull on his tail in a violent manner. After some years of care, he got over his fear but it really makes you see what abuse can do to a pet.

 

[Revolutionary]

Sad and terrible way to die. I hate to put the blame on her but she sounded like an inadequate owner if she let the dogs regress to that point (rabies quarantine).
I feel like bad owners are a dime a dozen these days, which is why I tend to avoid the dog park at busy hours. It's usually people in their 20s too who have no concept of how to actually train and socialize a dog properly. Or in this case, to do your due diligence and vaccinate your damn dog so it doesn't contract a virus that causes agitation and hallicunations.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Having seen these types of pie chars for 15+ years on the internet coming up in these discussions, pit bull defenders are quick to point out that these high numbers for pit bulls come from the fact that most people cannot tell a pit bull apart from of the other breeds that look somewhat similar. I have no idea how much of that defense has validity, but thats usually how these discussions play out.

My opinion about Pits is like with guns and drugs and shit like that. The shitheads who cannot do it rightly end up ruining it for everyone else. Thats just fucking life. Many people get Pit Bulls for the perception. They are infamous for demanding respect. Most people are intimidated by Pit Bulls and for good reason. So people get Pits for these reasons are often not good dog owners, and that reinforces bad behavior. It's a vicious circle.
I have seen people neglect other breeds like Huskies and German Shepards - They can kill small children too. They can bite other dogs. Even Labs and Retrievers have been known to do it. Dogs can be anxious and afraid when they have had bad shit happen to them. Pits were just not domesticated in the same manner as other friendlier breeds.
I was at a Shelter to get a cat 3 months ago, and I saw the dog section. Nothing but Pits or pit mix breed. It was fucking crazy. Fucking morons getting dogs they cannot handle. Its so out of control. Its not the dogs fault, its too many stupid people.




Im gonna get myself a Doge when I am gonna get a dog. Shibas over everything. Maybe a "Ein" Corgi too. Dogs are the best!

https://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php
From that very same website.


Myth #1: It's the owner not the breed
The outdated debate, "It's the owner, not the breed," has caused the pit bull problem to grow into a 35-year old problem.1 Designed to protect pit bull breeders and owners, the slogan ignores the genetic history of the breed and blames these horrific maulings -- inflicted by the pit bull's genetic "hold and shake" bite style -- on environmental factors. While environment plays a role in a pit bull's behavior, it is genetics that leaves pit bull victims with permanent and disfiguring injuries.
The pit bull's genetic traits are not in dispute. Many appellate courts agree that pit bulls pose a significant danger to society and can be regulated accordingly. Some of the genetic traits courts have identified include: unpredictability of aggression, tenacity ("gameness" the refusal to give up a fight), high pain tolerance and the pit bull's "hold and shake" bite style.2 According to forensic medical studies, similar injuries have only been found elsewhere on victims of shark attacks.3
Purveyors of this myth also cannot account for the many instances in which pit bull owners and their family members are victimized by their pet dogs. From 2005 to 2017, pit bulls killed 284 Americans, about one citizen every 17 days. Of these deaths, 53% involved a family member and a household pit bull. 4 Notably, in the first 8 months of 2011, nearly half of those killed by a pit bull was its owner. One victim was an "avid supporter" of Bad Rap, a recipient of Michael Vick's dogs.

Myth #2: It's impossible to identify a pit bull
Pit bull advocates frequently claim that the average person cannot correctly identify a pit bull. As discussed in the Pit Bull FAQ, the pit bull is a class of dogs made up of several close dog breeds (See: What is a pit bull?). This false claim is designed to confuse the public just like the breed's history of changing names is intended to do (See: Disguise breed name). As was recently told to us by a top U.S. animal control enforcement officer, "If it looks like a pit bull, it usually is."
Pit bull advocates have even created deceptive online tests (Find the Pit Bull) to further confuse the media, policymakers and the public. These tests are inaccurate and intentionally crafted to show that the average person cannot correctly identify a pit bull. DogsBite.org has created a more realistic test that shows a variety of popular dog breeds. Once one begins to understand the frame, posture and distinct head shape and jaw size of a pit bull, identification is immediate.
Can you identify the pit bull?

I wonder if wild dogs are taken into the attack statistics as well.

Absolutely. We got our collie mix from an animal shelter and he snapped after people getting too close to his tail (while brushing the hair for instance). It's very likely he had people (most likely kids) pull on his tail in a violent manner. After some years of care, he got over his fear but it really makes you see what abuse can do to a pet.

An abused dog from an animal shelter isn't really comparable to regular dogs though.

 

[Lucumo]

An abused dog from an animal shelter isn't really comparable to regular dogs though.

I mean, you wrote: "Dogs can be anxious and afraid when they have had bad shit happen to them." Not sure how that doesn't relate to my anecdote. As an aside, "animal shelter" here are a place for all pets; doesn't matter whether they were stray ones, ones that got abused or simply given to the shelter because of the family moving away, owner dying etc.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I mean, you wrote: "Dogs can be anxious and afraid when they have had bad shit happen to them." Not sure how that doesn't relate to my anecdote. As an aside, "animal shelter" here are a place for all pets; doesn't matter whether they were stray ones, ones that got abused or simply given to the shelter because of the family moving away, owner dying etc.

True, however It isn't normal for most stable dogs to snap over something minor like that. I hope your dog overcomes his/her trauma. I use to also volunteer a while back until the number of dogs/cats became so high that the shelter acted out more like a 3 day deathrow than a shelter.

 

[Xenon]

All pitbull owners need to understand, its not that all pitbulls are aggressive. It's the fact that all pitbulls have a much greater capability to kill or maim if they are aggressive and there is no 100% guaranty that their dog won't be. The dog's have a natural instinct to go for the kill. No amount of love, training or time will change that.

You want a pitbull, fine. But you need to treat it like a loaded weapon and never leave other's kids alone with it.

 

[Trojita]

Dachshund are the most aggressive and bitey dog but their bites can't do shit.

Adopt Corgis.

 

[Super Mario]

An abused dog from an animal shelter isn't really comparable to regular dogs though.

Too bad. That's not the way SJW arguments work on the internet. Find one obscure "what if" and any counter-argument is invalid. Until you show the statistics. Then "it's not their fault. Need better education".

 

[zeioIIDX]

My dad had a dog named Nina, she was a rottwelier/pitbull mix. Crazy. But to be honest, that was the sweetest dog I've ever encountered, I can't imagine there was a single brutal bone in her body. In general though, I'm wary of pitbulls....or any animal for that matter that isn't mine because they can snap at a moment's notice.

 

[Nymphae]

My only experience with a gnarly dog, I think it was a pit mix of some sort, was last summer. I was at a friend of a friends house and we were just standing in his garage smoking & shooting the shit. We're just casually chatting and we hear two dogs start fighting to the death, neighbour's dog and the dog of my friend's friend. The neighbour was walking his dog past this house with his little dog, and nobody saw it, big dog went after the little guy and had his throat in his mouth. It took 4 people, the 2 owners, the neighbour and another guy, to get this dog off of the other one. He was almost 2 years old I want to say, and was huge. The owners both claimed that the dogs were friendly with eachother since birth and have no idea what happened. Luckily the little guy was ok, I thought for sure he was dead as soon as I heard the whimper though, just had a gouge on the back of his neck but he was ok.

So yeah this big dog is constantly hanging around the family's young daughter, like maybe 5 years old. I'm like you guys are cool with that? They tell me all the typical stuff - it's the owners, it's the kids being shits, you know, everyone's dog is just a little darling. Until it kills the neighbours dog and then the search for external factors begins. The things look like fucking demons. We bread them, did we not? I'm not saying we kill them, but let's slowly phase them out, we don't need to breed monster dogs like this.

 

[daveonezero]

After seeing some of the responses here I googled for a bit.
https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-quick-statistics.php

This is something else considering how many poor dogs roam the street after being abandoned, either get run over or somehow survive to become feral over time. I'd figure the Dalmatian would be higher. Anybody else got different statistics/numbers?

This article is completely different.

https://www.caninejournal.com/dog-bite-statistics/

Be Mindful Of “Breeds”, But Not Fearful
You’ve likely heard of the Pit Bull, touted as the type most responsible for dog bites. But you can dismantle much of your fear of them with our Pit Bull Facts article.
Unfortunately, claims against Pit Bulls account for the majority of reported fatal attacks in the United States (again, many of these are misreported due to a lack of understanding of dog breeds and types).
While there’s no denying that one should be more vigilant around a large dog than say, a Beagle, there’s also no denying that an animal is part product of its environment.
Remember that any dog can bite, no matter how well-trained it may be. Many popular family dogs have caused fatalities including Labradors and German Shepherds. So it is always a good idea to be a responsible dog owner and make sure pets are supervised at all times with others.
Finally, if you have a dog that’s prone to biting, consider a training collar or online training courses to help change their bad behavior.”

Also I think it’s bull shot to claim pit bulls were bred to kill and fight. That’s like all dog breeds.

Most were bred to hunt and kill prett or at least pin it down.

Hell there are dogs bred to attack people

 

[Geki-D]

This article is completely different.

I don't think they're noting the same results. The stats Whataburger posted are for lethal dog bites and your link is more for general dog bites:


Dog Bite Statistics

• Approximately 4.7 million dog bites1 occur each year
• Dogs that bite the most:2
  • Chihuahua
  • Bulldog
  • Pit Bull
  • German Shepherd
  • Australian Shepherd
  • Lhasa Apso
  • Jack Russell Terrier
  • Cocker Spaniel
  • Bull Terrier
  • Pekingese
  • Papillion

Pitbulls are still third as the dogs that bite the most. And between getting bitten by a Chihuahua, and having a goddamn pitbull jump me, I'd happily wrap my hand in bacon and offer it up to the half rat, half dog breed.

Also, I always heard labradors actually bit the most. Guess not.

Also I think it’s bull shot to claim pit bulls were bred to kill and fight. That’s like all dog breeds.

Most were bred to hunt and kill prett or at least pin it down.

Hell there are dogs bred to attack people

You actually got a source on this? Every source I've seen says they were bred for blood sports and there's a massive difference between hunting and a blood sport.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Great! more pitbull hate. Learn to socialise your fucking dog and you won't have this problem. Shitty dog owners gonna shitty dog owners

Temperaments in dogs can also be genetic. A family member of mine is a dog breeder and guarantees the temperaments of the dogs they breed. They've only had a couple incidents where a dog has bit someone over the course of nearly 40 years. They never put the dogs to sleep or anything, they kept them as their own as they refused to bite them.

 

[daveonezero]

I don't think they're noting the same results. The stats Whataburger posted are for lethal dog bites and your link is more for general dog bites:

I understand that its different sources I'm just saying you can make stats look good for anyone.

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Also, I always heard labradors actually bit the most. Guess not.

Thats what I thought too. Mostly because lab mixes I think are the most populous breed.

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You actually got a source on this? Every source I've seen says they were bred for blood sports and there's a massive difference between hunting and a blood sport.

I was specifically talking about a single breed bred in China for use as police dogs. It was bred to be trained to do anything including attack so I guess I was a little hyperbolic but still. I'd imagine like German Shepards they can be taught to attack and kill on command.

Historically there are plenty of dogs that were bred for brutal activity much like the Pitbull. I think part of the problem here is recently they are selectively bred for dog fighting. That is skewing the perception. Its also a bit selective in the history of the dog. It has changed throughout the generations. Its sad and fine that people don't like them. But I just can't support calling for their ban and thus killing of the animals. The USA has a huge problem with pets in general and treating them like objects.

If it is history that is calling for breed ban why don't other breed bans that have even more intimidating characteristics. Any of these dogs could easily kill or mame a person. Lets face it humans are weak bitches compared to most wild life. When you have a dog or decent sized cat they probably wouldn't hesitate to attack if they didn't have some sort of food and affection relationship with their human.

How about a dog known as the "bodyguard" which also shares an ancestor with "pitbulls"
"The Cane Corso is a descendant of the old Roman molosser.[1]. Its name derives from cane da corso, an old term for those catch dogs used in rural activities for cattle and swine, as distinct from cane da camera which indicates the catch dog kept as a bodyguard. In the recent past, its distribution was limited to some regions of Southern Italy, especially in Basilicata, Campania, and Apulia.[4]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cane_Corso

or the actual dog specifically bred to hunt big game just like the original pit bulls and came from a "fighting dog"
"The Dogo Argentino because of its purpose, is very stubborn and pain tolerant. This combined with the breed's natural intelligence and domineering tendencies mean that this dog is not suitable for inactive or inexperienced homes, and is ideal for a working home, or at a minimum a very active home. The breed needs an experienced owner and firm leadership, and is not ideal as a pet or service dog role, though it has been successful in the latter."

I also think its a misnomer to call all these dogs "pit bulls". all the while calling for a ban on a breed. When in fact this isn't "one breed". There are at least three AKC breeds that fall in the more umbrella term. So putting them all together and saying "that breed has problems" is pretty unfair.

"Currently, there are a number of breeds that are recognized by different associations which fall under the term "pit bull". The Federation Cynologique Internationale currently only recognizes three breeds: the Bull Terrier, the Miniature Bull Terrier, and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier.[20] The Canadian Kennel Club also recognizes these breeds, as well as the American Staffordshire Terrier.[21] The American Kennel Club recognizes the American Staffordshire Terrier, the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, the Miniature Bull Terrier, and the Bull Terrier as breeds also.[22]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

Also it seems a lot of bullshit of what pit bulls were bred for happened long before the modern version of the dog. And a lot is speculation as to where the line started.

http://www.pitbull411.com/history.html[/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[SoulUnison]

she's pretty too, what a shame.

...Huh.

 

[Terrible_Majesty]

You wake up next to a fat old man in sweat pants? Not sure he'll be of much help unless he owns a gun.

He could always just sit on the dog or fart on it

 

[Dragon_Rocks]

>turn street corner
>see this

That is when one should nope the fuck out just like this.

 

[Greedings]

It’s weird that people always blame the owners.
Sure a shitty owner can result in a shitty dog, and a good owner can result in a good dog. But why take the damn risk? Get a fucking jack russel. No one was ever killed by a jack russel. Get a lab or golden retriever. Who the fuck has had their jugular bitten into by one of those soft fluffy guys?

 

[iconmaster]

Also I think it’s bull shot to claim pit bulls were bred to kill and fight. That’s like all dog breeds.

"Today’s pit bull is a descendant of the original English bull-baiting dog—a dog that was bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head. When baiting large animals was outlawed in the 1800s, people turned instead to fighting their dogs against each other. These larger, slower bull-baiting dogs were crossed with smaller, quicker terriers to produce a more agile and athletic dog for fighting other dogs."

That's from the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in a position statement arguing against the banning of pit bulls.

After seeing some of the responses here I googled for a bit.
https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-quick-statistics.php

This is something else considering how many poor dogs roam the street after being abandoned, either get run over or somehow survive to become feral over time. I'd figure the Dalmatian would be higher. Anybody else got different statistics/numbers?

I wouldn't be surprised if these stats were accurate, but there is some debate about the site's method of collecting data. They partly rely on media reports rather than, say, police or medical records only. I.e., from the American Veterinary Medical Association: "The American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior, for example, says identifying a dog's breed accurately is difficult, even for professionals, and visual recognition is known to not always be reliable."

Personally I don't understand why the stats have to be perfectly meticulous, though. You get enough anecdotal evidence, you should do something about it. Children are worth more than dog ownership rights.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

That is when one should nope the fuck out just like this.

 

[Geki-D]

As a side note, I recently learned that the pitbulls are bad position is also used as a "dog whistle" to talk about black people being naturally violent.

 

[Azurro]

Great! more pitbull hate. Learn to socialise your fucking dog and you won't have this problem. Shitty dog owners gonna shitty dog owners

Yeah, that's what we should be focusing on, not that some uncontrollable breed of dog took away a human life. No, doggo's life is more important. Some breeds are shit, and there's a reason why.

 

[Codes 208]

It’s weird that people always blame the owners.
Sure a shitty owner can result in a shitty dog, and a good owner can result in a good dog. But why take the damn risk? Get a fucking jack russel. No one was ever killed by a jack russel. Get a lab or golden retriever. Who the fuck has had their jugular bitten into by one of those soft fluffy guys?

Or even a Great Dane, the worlds biggest lapdog.

 

[jadedm17]

It’s weird that people always blame the owners.
Sure a shitty owner can result in a shitty dog, and a good owner can result in a good dog. But why take the damn risk? Get a fucking jack russel. No one was ever killed by a jack russel. Get a lab or golden retriever. Who the fuck has had their jugular bitten into by one of those soft fluffy guys?

That's exactly where I stand on the matter. :\

I still don't know if PitBulls are to blame or not - and now that I have a dog I've met a lot of great pits at the park - but after that pregnant woman was killed in 2011 I know it's not something I'd roll the dice on.

Pit Bull Kills Pregnant Owner in California Home

A pit bull attacked and killed his pregnant owner in a Pacifica, Calif. home. Darla Napora, 32, was attacked by she and her husband's unneutered, two-year-old male pit bull Thursday. Her husband, Greg Napora, found her bloody body in the couple's living room with the pit bull, named Gunner...

abcnews.go.com

If one showed up like my Shepherd? Maybe. I'm also single with no kids. If I had a wife and kids? Never ever.

 

[Ellis]

They are a dangerous breed and it is about time we phased them out for good. It's just not worth the risk.

I love dogs and always I want to give them a little pat whenever I see one, but pit bulls are the only breed that puts me on guard ready to crush their skulls whenever I walk past them.

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

...Huh.

Yeah that comment gave me my weekly dose of cringe. I'm all topped up now.

 

[Punished Miku]

I'm totally fine being a cat person.

 

[daveonezero]

They are a dangerous breed and it is about time we phased them out for good. It's just not worth the risk.

I love dogs and always I want to give them a little pat whenever I see one, but pit bulls are the only breed that puts me on guard ready to crush their skulls whenever I walk past them.

are you going to go to peoples houses and tell them their dog needs to die?

I would love to see that from the people in this thread.

"Today’s pit bull is a descendant of the original English bull-baiting dog—a dog that was bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head. When baiting large animals was outlawed in the 1800s, people turned instead to fighting their dogs against each other. These larger, slower bull-baiting dogs were crossed with smaller, quicker terriers to produce a more agile and athletic dog for fighting other dogs."

That's from the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in a position statement arguing against the banning of pit bulls.
.......
Children are worth more than dog ownership rights.

So the solution is killing all dogs with this common ancestor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molosser#List_of_extant_breeds

Who is going to do the DNA testing? Who is going to kill all the dogs?

Using safety of children has been used to do some awful things in this world.

“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”

 

[iconmaster]

Who is going to kill all the dogs?

I was only thinking of breed bans. Neutering and old age would do the rest.

 

[Ellis]

are you going to go to peoples houses and tell them their dog needs to die?

Let the ones living naturally die out, but terminate the ones that attack and hurt people.

 

[daveonezero]

So you create a black market for the dogs. There is no way to get rid of them on a global scale.

Are you two suggesting a certain decendant line from the Roman mossler or just certain ones you think are dangerous?

 

[TrainedRage]

I don't judge by race.

 

[iconmaster]

So you create a black market for the dogs. There is no way to get rid of them on a global scale.

Okay, but you're less likely to find black market dogs in your neighbor's back yard. And if you do, you've got good grounds to call the police.

I don't understand your point about Molosser breeds at all. The great dane and the pug may have a common ancestor but no one has trouble distinguishing them.

 

[daveonezero]

Okay, but you're less likely to find black market dogs in your neighbor's back yard. And if you do, you've got good grounds to call the police.

I don't understand your point about Molosser breeds at all. The great dane and the pug may have a common ancestor but no one has trouble distinguishing them.

Thats the argument you are using to say "pit bulls" are bad. Because of what they were bred for and they ancestors comes from fighting dogs.

Even though its proven you can take a wild fox and make it domesticated in a few decades. http://www.bbc.co.uk/earth/story/20...tist-created-the-only-tame-foxes-in-the-world

or even take fighting dogs that were abused and have a domesticated dog. 45 dogs taken from Vicks kennel and 25 were up for adoption another 22 in sanctuary. Only a few were put down.


I just don't know how you all are so sure the vague breed term is the problem.

 

[iconmaster]

Thats the argument you are using to say "pit bulls" are bad. Because of what they were bred for and they ancestors comes from fighting dogs.

I think you're confused. Molosser-type is thought to be an ancient breed, while pit bull breeding began in the 1800s.

Your strongest point is that the pit bull breed is hard to pin down. I'd be happy with legislation that defines it pretty narrowly, even if some "pit bulls" continued to remain legal. Still better than nothing. And in fact, there are plenty of states that seem to manage breed-specific legislation in spite of these ambiguities. I'm merely arguing for those existing laws.

Btw, I live in Iowa which is apparently the #1 state for banning pit bulls. So, I don't really have a horse in this race. I'm set.

 

[daveonezero]

Why stop in the 1800s? that the point its just arbitrary. And there are plenty of dogs that were bred for similar things. Cane Corso, Dogo Argentino ect.

What would you do with Staffordshire Bull Terriers?

I highly doubt Iowa is free of pit bulls. Denver killed thousands of dogs but there are still pit bulls around that city.

If you don't have a dog in the fight what give you the right to tell other people what do do?

 

[Slings and Arrows]

I know a lot of 'dog' girls. some who own dog walking companies. The way they treat the dogs...I don't know. watching that video makes me think...how many women fuck dogs or get eaten out by dogs? Is it...a thing?

brb off to wash junk

On topic:

Pit bulls were banned in Britain a few years ago, mainly because they were the go to dog for all chavs and smack-heads. Now it's the staffy, so watch this space.

 

[iconmaster]

Why stop in the 1800s? that the point its just arbitrary. And there are plenty of dogs that were bred for similar things. Cane Corso, Dogo Argentino ect.

That's making the perfect the enemy of the good. Blood alcohol level is an imperfect measure of impairment but we incorporated it into law anyway.

If you don't have a dog in the fight what give you the right to tell other people what do do?

What a question! As if I can't have an opinion about anything beyond my own small sphere of experience. Incredibly, I have opinions about things that happen in China.

But in fact I do have a small dog (woof) in this fight -- I have children and I don't want them ever put at risk from a dangerous dog. I'm glad my state takes pit bulls seriously and I hope and expect it will continue to do so.

 

[daveonezero]

you should be wary of all dogs despite the ban. Banning doesn’t stop dogs from attacking children. It’s all a perception of what you think is a scary dog.

 

[Azurro]

you should be wary of all dogs despite the ban. Banning doesn’t stop dogs from attacking children. It’s all a perception of what you think is a scary dog.

Perception backed by very solid statistics. A ban on pit bulls may not be perfect but it'd do a lot to combat a breed that is both bred for fighting, has amongst the highest numbers of attacks on people and you see routinely on the news unfortunately killing people. It's simply not a breed that should be out there. I'm sorry about the puppers and the doggos, but people come first.

 

[daveonezero]

Perception backed by very solid statistics. A ban on pit bulls may not be perfect but it'd do a lot to combat a breed that is both bred for fighting, has amongst the highest numbers of attacks on people and you see routinely on the news unfortunately killing people. It's simply not a breed that should be out there. I'm sorry about the puppers and the doggos, but people come first.

No not people you come first. Your interpretation of the stats is overreaching into other people’s lives if they agree or not.

I just think it is none of your damn business to ban dogs that will never be interacting with you.

As for what they were bred for I have already pointed out a number of breeds that were bred for the same thing.

I also pointed out that even fighting dogs can be in homes with children and human can take a wild fox and domesticate it in 50 years.

Banning pit bulls now will just open up the market for someone else to make your worst nightmare fighting dog in the next few decades and you will be back to where you started.

 

[Ten_Fold]

That’s wild, not all pit bulls are bad, but it does take ALOT more work into making them less aggressive, I’ve seen my neighbor’s pit basically rip a cat in half an had to be put down. I’m not a big fan of pits So it wouldn’t bother me if they ban them

 

[daveonezero]

What do we do with these? https://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/staffordshire-bull-terrier/

That’s wild, not all pit bulls are bad, but it does take ALOT more work into making them less aggressive, I’ve seen my neighbor’s pit basically rip a cat in half an had to be put down. I’m not a big fan of pits So it wouldn’t bother me if they ban them

My Labrador ripped apart a bunny. My sisters German short hair has killed all sorts of critters. Dogs have a prey drive. A lot of them will kill most smaller animals.

I'm not a big fan of (insert breed here). It wouldn't bother me if they were banned, killed or euthanized prematurely.

There is also lots of evidence a dog of any breed can be controlled by any person if well behaved. Warning 2 year old and 150LB Pitbulls

 

[AgentP]

Dogs were designed through thousands of years of trait selection, inbred for a purpose. Pits were bred for fighting and biting hard. They are naturally more violent and vicious. They should just be removed from the gene pool the same way they were brought in.

 

[Days like these...]

Great! more pitbull hate. Learn to socialise your fucking dog and you won't have this problem. Shitty dog owners gonna shitty dog owners

Wow, I came in to see how soon someone would make excuses for this breed. 1st reply! Bravo!!!

 

[Azurro]

No not people you come first. Your interpretation of the stats is overreaching into other people’s lives if they agree or not.

I just think it is none of your damn business to ban dogs that will never be interacting with you.

As for what they were bred for I have already pointed out a number of breeds that were bred for the same thing.

I also pointed out that even fighting dogs can be in homes with children and human can take a wild fox and domesticate it in 50 years.

Banning pit bulls now will just open up the market for someone else to make your worst nightmare fighting dog in the next few decades and you will be back to where you started.

You'd have a point, if not for the fact that the people that get attacked and some of the people murdered by negligence of having this dog, didn't choose to have interaction with this breed either. Banning pitbulls is effective since I don't believe many other breeds were genetically selected to be vicious like they were. The world is a better place without Pitt bulls, if you want a dog get a Labrador or something, don't get a pupper that might kill you, your baby or one of your kids when it's having a bad day.

The amount of stupid owners going "but it had never done this before ever!" is astounding.