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[pjberri]

Look, buddy, I went through a phase of loving everything that touched the charts when I was 8-15, it's a part of growing up. You get over it and start appreciating the music and artistry for what it is.

Which is why I rarely listen to anything that touches the charts, because most of it is manufactured by the industry.

Look, buddy, I went through a phase of loving everything from any underground musician when I was 14-18, it's a part of growing up. You get over it and start appreciating the music and artistry for what it is.

Which is why I rarely listen to anything that touches the charts, because most of it is manufactured by the industry.

A dumbfuck's manifesto.

 

[milkyjay20]

Look, buddy, I went through a phase of loving everything from any underground musician when I was 14-18, it's a part of growing up. You get over it and start appreciating the music and artistry for what it is.

A dumbfuck's manifesto.

snap

 

[Peru]

"Manifactured by the industry".

Yeah, they've got robots and those goddarned computers doing everything in a big, cold factory, ain't it? Unbelievable.


You know Cassie? The girl with "Me & U", a big pop rnb hit like Umbrella, sort of a one-hit wonder except her album is really good (and undersold). A classic example of girl 'of the industry', that artless commodity you fear so much. Just hired a few big buck producers to spew out some cynical shit, right, with no artistic drive behind it. JUuuust like Rihanna. Well some of those goddamn, no-good golddiggers in the industry happen to care about what they do, and here's a video of the guy behind 'Me & U' writing another track for Cassie. Just about knowing the big names, chucking out some shit, right? This guy doesn't seem to give a shit about the music, eh? Wrong, wrong, wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNiZ0xYnqbw

Now zip it with that baseless bile.

 

[kitchenmotors]

Look, buddy, I went through a phase of loving everything from any underground musician when I was 14-18, it's a part of growing up. You get over it and start appreciating the music and artistry for what it is.

A dumbfuck's manifesto.

:lol

Dude, you're ruining this thread. What's with the name calling? That's a little uncalled for.

So I'm a dumb fuck for enjoying music that has actual sweat, blood and tears poured into it? I don't dig music that is created by industry writers and producers. I actually like my musicians/bands to create their own material and when I see them live, know that their soul went into making the music.

I get none of that from music that tops the charts.

I'd love to see you argue that The Black Eyed Peas' The End, which is topping the charts, has more music and artistry in it than The Antler's Hospice, which is "underground" as you so put it.

 

[beelzebozo]

you got the hippin' and the hoppin', and the bippin', and the boppin'

and you don't understand what the jazz is all about, y'see?

 

[Giard]

There's not ONE Muse song on there...

 

[Peru]

So I'm a dumb fuck for enjoying music that has actual sweat, blood and tears poured into it? I don't dig music that is created by industry writers and producers. I actually like my musicians/bands to create their own material and when I see them live, know that their soul went into making the music.

The funny thing is that you use the Black Eyed Peas as an example, and they write and produce their music themselves, so they should be your precious little favourites. And they're still shit! See, who writes it and who doesn't matters very little, the quality of the bloody music itself is everything. You think we automatically like something for topping the charts. We like something for being good, and whether it tops the charts or not, whether it's written by the performer or not, does not matter one tiny little bit. You deny the greatness of the Motown groups, the Phil Spector wall of sound-clique, just because the groups didn't write the music? Try again.

 

[djtiesto]

wow BOB?

That shit was something else for the time, but I never woulda expected someone to put it in the top 20..at least now. Maybe back when it came out...it really was on some other shit.

AND HOLY DOUBLE DONKEY SHIT AT ANNIE's Heartbeat.

Thats got to be the most random choice of song.

Heh, the Annie song is probably my favorite on the list... that and One More Time of course. Never expected BOB to be #1, even though I like that song and it was very original as far as hiphop goes. Big ugh at the Beyonce tho.

 

[milkyjay20]

There's not ONE Muse song on there...

uhhhhhhhhh good

 

[pjberri]

:lol

Dude, you're ruining this thread. What's with the name calling? That's a little uncalled for.

So I'm a dumb fuck for enjoying music that has actual sweat, blood and tears poured into it? I don't dig music that is created by industry writers and producers. I actually like my musicians/bands to create their own material and when I see them live, know that their soul went into making the music.

I get none of that from music that tops the charts.

I'd love to see you argue that The Black Eyed Peas' The End, which is topping the charts, has more music and artistry in it than The Antler's Hospice, which is "underground" as you so put it.

No, you're a dumbfuck because you have a narrow-minded and juvenile outlook on music. Who cares who wrote the music? Do you only listen to bands who have each section written by the member who plays that instrument? Doubt it.

I bet you that The-Dream, who wrote the lyrics to Umbrella, works a helluva lot harder than the fucking Antlers, and his album from this year, Love vs. Money is better, too. He has production and/or writing credits to a number of modern classics, using original, sincere lyrical concepts and innovative, modern techno influences in the orchestration of his backing tracks. In the last year alone he has had two incredibly solid releases, one a mixtape, has written and produced another great album for a girl group he created, wrote, produced and offered reference tracks to Mariah and others, and you want to compare him to the goddamn Antlers? Is this a joke? I loved the "blood, sweat and tears" bit, too. Of what? Another troupe of Williamsburg trustafarian assholes with an indie cliché as a band name? That's soul to you?

You undermine another poster with your (incorrect) assumptions of his taste in music, and have the gall to say my critical dialectic is shitting up the thread. Coming from someone who listens to just as many drone tapes and shitty, white bread indie musicians as they do pop music, maybe when you grow up you'll be able to release yourself of the shackles of Dan dipshit Deacon and understand that every genre of music has quality and importance to offer. Some of the best releases this year are pop, and you're missing out due to ignorance.

 

[kitchenmotors]

The funny thing is that you use the Black Eyed Peas as an example, and they write and produce their music themselves, so they should be your precious little favourites. And they're still shit! See, who writes it and who doesn't matters very little, the quality of the bloody music itself is everything. You think we automatically like something for topping the charts. We like something for being good, and whether it tops the charts or not, whether it's written by the performer or not, does not matter one tiny little bit. You deny the greatness of the Motown groups, the Phil Spector wall of sound-clique, just because the groups didn't write the music? Try again.

I actually used to enjoy the Black Eyed Peas back in the 90's, when they made music that was good. Then they brought in Fergie, tried to polish it up to appeal to the chart crowd, which was most likely record company pressure, and their music suffered. It's sells and that's exactly what the record company wants, but their music is crap now and they lost what made them unique.

You can write and produce your own music, that doesn't mean it's going to be any good. I'm not arguing that fact, because even musicians that I enjoy have put out some pretty mediocre albums. It doesn't impress me when the record company gets a group of writers and producers help create an album. I don't respect artists who rely on that.

You have to realize that the music on the charts is made for a specific crowd, that only listens to music on the charts and eats that shit up, no matter the quality. It's all catchy and that's what sells. I see nothing beyond the surface that would keep me coming back for more.

I will deny it if I don't enjoy it.

 

[Peru]

You have to realize that the music on the charts is made for a specific crowd, that only listens to music on the charts and eats that shit up, no matter the quality. It's all catchy and that's what sells. I see nothing beyond the surface that would keep me coming back for more.

This generalization is hysterical. The Beatles have had more hit singles than anyone. Radiohead's "Kid A" topped the Billboard charts, and I wouldn't say it's a commodified, accessible album. There's all kinds of music on the charts, good and bad. Pretending otherwise makes you worthy of the title 'dumbfuck'.

 

[djtiesto]

Wow at Villalobos, Matthew Dear and Luomo in the top 500, that I can get behind at least. That was probably Philip Sherburne's influence or something...

 

[pjberri]

Wow at Villalobos, Matthew Dear and Luomo in the top 500, that I can get behind at least. That was probably Philip Sherburne's influence or something...

I've seen them give very favourable reviews of at least a couple of Villalobos releases, but I'm surprised by Luomo, too. Turns out they gave Convivial a good review.

 

[kitchenmotors]

No, you're a dumbfuck because you have a narrow-minded and juvenile outlook on music. Who cares who wrote the music? Do you only listen to bands who have each section written by the member who plays that instrument? Doubt it.

I bet you that The-Dream, who wrote the lyrics to Umbrella, works a helluva lot harder than the fucking Antlers, and his album from this year, Love vs. Money is better, too. He has production and/or writing credits to a number of modern classics, using original, sincere lyrical concepts and innovative, modern techno influences in the orchestration of his backing tracks. In the last year alone he has had two incredibly solid releases, one a mixtape, has written and produced another great album for a girl group he created, wrote, produced and offered reference tracks to Mariah and others, and you want to compare him to the goddamn Antlers? Is this a joke? I loved the "blood, sweat and tears" bit, too. Of what? Another troupe of Williamsburg trustafarian assholes with an indie cliché as a band name? That's soul to you?

You undermine another poster with your (incorrect) assumptions of his taste in music, and have the gall to say my critical dialectic is shitting up the thread. Coming from someone who listens to just as many drone tapes and shitty, white bread indie musicians as they do pop music, maybe when you grow up you'll be able to release yourself of the shackles of Dan dipshit Deacon and understand that every genre of music has quality and importance to offer. Some of the best releases this year are pop, and you're missing out due to ignorance.

I have a narrow-minded look on music? :lol I don't think I've ever had anyone say that to me. That's amusing.

Don't knock The Antlers unless you've actually listened to their new album. If you consider them assholes with an indie cliche band name, then you really don't get it. Which is alright, but don't be a douche about it.

Have fun with the thread.

 

[Fidelis Hodie]

I can't think of a favorite song, but for some reason I've been listening to this a lot lately even though I'm not new to the band or anything:

mewithoutYou - In a Sweater Poorly Knit

HEY! That's on my list. Fantastic song.

Stop posting smileys laughing. No seriously. We get your point, you're mentally stumped and can't form a string of words resembling a coherent sentence. "Umbrella"'s critical impact is huge, it's both lauded by the field's best journalists and has inspired so many artists today working in both pop and r'n'b. You may continue to show a lacking vocabular and skewed perspective on what music is good elsewhere.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

I completely agree with everything you just wrote. I wasn't even the guy you were bitching at.


Man, this thread got even more hostile really quick. I didn't even think that was possible.

 

[Peru]

Man, this thread got even more hostile really quick. I didn't even think that was possible.

Yeah! It turned out a lot more interesting and fun than all the bickering about a pointless list would suggest. Sorry about mixing you up with someone else, pal.

Also, I love you pjberri. Wrap me up like a gift, whisper in my ear, say I'm the shit.

 

[milkyjay20]

dan deacon totally blows

 

[pjberri]

Yeah! It turned out a lot more interesting and fun than all the bickering about a pointless list would suggest. Sorry about mixing you up with someone else, pal.

Also, I love you pjberri. Wrap me up like a gift, whisper in my ear, say I'm the shit.

I think we fucked up what was supposed to become the 'post your favourite Okkervil River lyrics' thread. And I think we're soulmates. :-o Y'all don't fuck us, n****, we fuck you.

 

[Kastro]

I'm going to take a wild guess somebody looked at the album title and has no fucking clue when it actually came out.

Good catch.. I missed that :lol

Dre's "2001" came out in '99

 

[Fidelis Hodie]

Yeah! It turned out a lot more interesting and fun than all the bickering about a pointless list would suggest. Sorry about mixing you up with someone else, pal.

Also, I love you pjberri. Wrap me up like a gift, whisper in my ear, say I'm the shit.

Don't mention it. This is neogaf, bitch.

I listened to LCD's "Losing my edge" last night for the first time and damn that song is pimp as hell. I love LCD Soundsystem so very much.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

There's a reason why I have pjberri ignored people. The guy is a cunt and a half about music.

 

[GoutPatrol]

Good catch.. I missed that :lol

Dre's "2001" came out in '99

But they two songs from that album on the list were released as singles in 2000, same thing as Big Pimpin'.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

you got the hippin' and the hoppin', and the bippin', and the boppin'

and you don't understand what the jazz is all about, y'see?

 

[vulva]

Radiohead are terrible

 

[Peru]

There's a reason why I have pjberri ignored people. The guy is a cunt and a half about music.

At least he's about the music.. half the people in this thread are about aesthetics and THE SYSTEM and hypocritical bullshit that has nothing to do with the quality of the music.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

Hey man, I don't think I ever said anything to you. All I know is that pjberri is even worse of a "music fan" than what people make Pitchfork out as. He's the biggest dickwaver I've encountered on this forum.

 

[pjberri]

I agree, the absolute worst music fans are the ones who actually listen to the music they talk about and respond to.

 

[HowardRoark]

Radiohead are terrible

And your opinion is of no consequence, at all.

 

[noi5e]

Wow, The Streets' "Weak Become Heroes" is throwing me back to freshman year.

The hip hop choices are a little strange though. "Ignition (Remix)" I'll defend, but the Jay-Z and Beyonce picks suck.

 

[Lucario]

Spoken by someone with absolutely no knowledge of the industry, of 'Umbrella', of music. Shut up before you embarass yourself further.

Personal insults always make you right.

Dumbest argument out there. I state my opinions as my opinions. I don't need to put "IN MY OPINION" after everything I say. But you sure as hell feel high and mighty about your poorly thought through word vomit.

Arrogance and caps always make you right.

I'm just going to agree to disagree, because all you're doing is strawmanning and spewing childlike insults at this point.

Hopefully someday you'll be able to expand your taste in music without the simplistic, arrogant idea that it's okay to fervently state that bands are "better" than others.

 

[Trident]

+1 pjberri

Pop music is written by people, just like everything else. And it's a hell of a lot better at making music danceable and fun than anything else out there. If you're going to deny that these two are important and valuable functions of music, then you're missing a basic piece of the beauty and wonder of the art form.

Not everything has to be deep, personal heartache. Some times you just want to go out and fucking DANCE AND HAVE A BLAST. And pop music is there. But you're not. Because you're inside getting angry at Rihanna.

 

[McBacon]

I thought it was a real weird list for Pitchfork, to say the least. Though to be honest, I never listen to just a song and pretty much only think in terms of albums.

Nowadays, albums mean nothing to me. With MP3s, its all about the songs.

 

[DeathbyVolcano]

+1 pjberri

Pop music is written by people, just like everything else. And it's a hell of a lot better at making music danceable and fun than anything else out there. If you're going to deny that these two are important and valuable functions of music, then you're missing a basic piece of the beauty and wonder of the art form.

Not everything has to be deep, personal heartache. Some times you just want to go out and fucking DANCE AND HAVE A BLAST. And pop music is there. But you're not. Because you're inside getting angry at Rihanna.

I don't think many people in this thread are denying that. For God sakes, I think Paper Planes has the right to be the best single of the decade. It's just people angrily denouncing or pronouncing said songs or lists aren't really helping their case as a defense. It's all shit-slinging.

 

[Sohter.Nura]

+1 pjberri

Pop music is written by people, just like everything else. And it's a hell of a lot better at making music danceable and fun than anything else out there. If you're going to deny that these two are important and valuable functions of music, then you're missing a basic piece of the beauty and wonder of the art form.

Not everything has to be deep, personal heartache. Some times you just want to go out and fucking DANCE AND HAVE A BLAST. And pop music is there. But you're not. Because you're inside getting angry at Rihanna.

I completely agree. I went through a lot of different phases in my musical tastes during my teenage years, from being a japanophile, to listening to goth, punk, then hip hop, dance, euro-beat, pop and so and so forth.

People forget that pop music is popular for a reason: people like it. Yes, there's more to being a pop star than just being a good MUSICIAN, you need marketing, record labels backing you up, music videos and fans to back you up.

Theres a lot of crap in pop music. But the same could be said in underground music. In every music genre :b

 

[Kastro]

I don't think many people in this thread are denying that. For God sakes, I think Paper Planes has the right to be the best single of the decade. It's just people angrily denouncing or pronouncing said songs or lists aren't really helping their case as a defense. It's all shit-slinging.

i think its just a case of over-popularity and being overplayed.

I remember a lot of people liking Paper Planes when Kala came out like 2 years ago.. and then when it blew up with Pineapple Express people started to get sick of it.

 

[deadhorse32]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNiZ0xYnqbw

I love those Ryan Leslie video

PS I love music

 

[pjberri]

Anyone posting about Ryan Leslie knows what's what. His self-titled album is great.

I don't think many people in this thread are denying that. For God sakes, I think Paper Planes has the right to be the best single of the decade. It's just people angrily denouncing or pronouncing said songs or lists aren't really helping their case as a defense. It's all shit-slinging.

:lol There was a guy denying that a few posts ago!

 

[Yami]

Well at least this list isn't as bad as the Kerrang! one.

Man, nothing can top that.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Pitchfork: One of those things that used to be cool, but is no longer cool.

 

[Angry Grimace]

:lol

Dude, you're ruining this thread. What's with the name calling? That's a little uncalled for.

So I'm a dumb fuck for enjoying music that has actual sweat, blood and tears poured into it? I don't dig music that is created by industry writers and producers. I actually like my musicians/bands to create their own material and when I see them live, know that their soul went into making the music.

I get none of that from music that tops the charts.

I'd love to see you argue that The Black Eyed Peas' The End, which is topping the charts, has more music and artistry in it than The Antler's Hospice, which is "underground" as you so put it.

The only thing that matters is the final product and whether it's worth listening to on that merit alone. You, realize, dude, you are actually arguing that whether music is any good or not is irrelevant.

 

[Fina1e]

Meh, they picked the wrong Sigur Ros songs. Happy they are on there at least, though.

 

[Vox-Pop]

People are actually defending Paper Planes, it's a catchy song, but there's no way in hell it belongs in the top 10. Remember good songs have to be remembered after the decades passed

 

[muttyeah416]

Don't mention it. This is neogaf, bitch.

I listened to LCD's "Losing my edge" last night for the first time and damn that song is pimp as hell. I love LCD Soundsystem so very much.

yeah i have to retract my previous comment about the LCD Soundsystem wankfest. After several listens to Sound of Silver, the wankfest is totally well-deserved. I love "Someone Great" SO very much.

:lol and commendable efforts Peru and pjberri, that was very entertaining!

 

[Solo]

Oh wow, this thread serves as a reminder that no matter how much I can hate film elitism, music elistism is at least twice as awful :lol

 

[Karma Kramer]

This is a pretty safe list...

Pitchfork should branch out more and make picks that aren't so mainstream pop. They have the power to spread new music out into the world and they choose to give best songs to Beyonce, MIA, and Outkast? They should stick more to the stuff they really dig, instead of picks other people are digging.

Check out The Music Lobby's best song picks for just last year... http://themusiclobby.com/features/the-top-50-songs-of-2008-5.html ... you can listen to the entire songs, and you'll see a great deal of diversity... their number one song is absolutely mind blowing on a good pair of stereo speakers.

Also, having interned for a year at Pitchfork, this list seems pretty weird considering I never heard them listen to much of the music thats in this list. I feel they are sacrificing their own opinions to appeal to a larger audience. But heh, who isn't..?

 

[mattiewheels]

People are actually defending Paper Planes, it's a catchy song, but there's no way in hell it belongs in the top 10. Remember good songs have to be remembered after the decades passed

as a marker of the time it came from, it's definitely worthy of being in a top 10 (god, i hate top 10 50 100 500 lists). but to me there's just not very much to the song apart from that.

 

[DieNgamers]

I listened to some of the stuff I didn't know in the list which was most of it. Wow, I'm totally out of touch with today's popular music or at least with the genres... Every single song in the top 20 sounds either very boring, annoying or both to my ears, in some cases to extreme degrees (for example that The Rapture song). :lol That's not meant as an attack against some of your music tastes, just a personal conclusion.

 

[Fidelis Hodie]

Radiohead are terrible

Radiohead is terrible.

And no it isn't. Name someone better.

 

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