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Pixar's Lightyear flops
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Azurro
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Disney has been doing a big deal out of the lesbian kiss, you have to be obtuse not to have heard of it.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Best Star Wars movie of all time
RJMacready73
Banned
I've heard of it and the only ones making a big deal out of it are the "won't anybody think of the children" brigade, big deal it's a lesbian kiss, I view it no differently than a heterosexual kiss, my kids go ewwww at all kisses ffs but thankfully I've brought them up so that they view same sex couples as no differently than mixed, it's all normal in my household.. granted it probably helped with me having the best neighbours ever who are gay so my kids have always been around it
captainnapalm
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The problem is that if you effectively poison the well enough by injecting woke bullshit everywhere, you are going to cause people to develop a natural aversion to it. It's the same with all the clumsy representation and race-swapping. It doesn't seem like Lightyear is a major culprit - but again, we're dealing with a poisoned well.
That's why it's really in minorities' interest not to embrace having "the message" injected into absolutely everything. Because it's going to create a backlash where once there was none. People used to not think twice about some of this stuff - now they do. No one likes being preached to or feeling like they're being subjected to political messaging and propaganda in entertainment products. And most of the time, Hollywood is about as subtle as a mallet to the head.
That's why it's really in minorities' interest not to embrace having "the message" injected into absolutely everything. Because it's going to create a backlash where once there was none. People used to not think twice about some of this stuff - now they do. No one likes being preached to or feeling like they're being subjected to political messaging and propaganda in entertainment products. And most of the time, Hollywood is about as subtle as a mallet to the head.
scoobidoo112
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The movie was just plain boring, too long and poorly written. The 'kiss' scene went by so quickly and in the background that you'll miss it if you blink. The lesbian character is barely in the movie at all and has maybe 5 minutes of screen time.
It's not 'woke', it's just not good by Pixar standards.
It's not 'woke', it's just not good by Pixar standards.
FunkMiller
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I’ll just circle back to the point here that if you are objecting to same sex couples in TV and movies now, you’re exhibiting the same behaviour and attitudes as people objecting to black people being in TV and movies in years gone by.
Kirk kissing Uhura in 1968 met with much the same bigotry as the same sex couple kissing in this movie is today.
No matter how much twisting you do - complaining about woke culture as a way of softening your stance and making it more palatable - you are essentially saying you’re not okay with homosexuality being depicted. That’s exactly the same as saying you’re not okay with black skin being depicted.
(But my only other point would be what a shame Disney chooses to put this kind of representation into a fucking money grabbing prequel, instead of something with more merit).
Kirk kissing Uhura in 1968 met with much the same bigotry as the same sex couple kissing in this movie is today.
No matter how much twisting you do - complaining about woke culture as a way of softening your stance and making it more palatable - you are essentially saying you’re not okay with homosexuality being depicted. That’s exactly the same as saying you’re not okay with black skin being depicted.
(But my only other point would be what a shame Disney chooses to put this kind of representation into a fucking money grabbing prequel, instead of something with more merit).
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Kev Kev
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aw man, i thought it was so good!!
i honestly DID completely miss the kiss tho. reading this thread after the movie was the first i heard about it. it must have happened quickly during the fast forwarding through their life part. the whole thing felt a tiny bit forced, but other than that it really wasnt a big deal at all.
i enjoyed the movie so much that i wasnt even thinking about it tbh. my niece and nephew loved it and theyve probably already forgotten about the lesbian couple lol. my only criticism is that they have that stuff in the movie more organically. it doesnt need to have a big spotlight on it, just have them together doing their normal married couple thing and just have it be normalized and no big deal. as it really is.
sorry guys, im usually on board with resisting forced woke culture, but this doesnt feel like that. its a normal gay couple, that happens to be in a pixar film, and i dont think kids are going to care much about it. maybe theyll have questions for their parents, but their parents can explain that to them and tell them how thats normal and not a big deal and then move on.
RJMacready73
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I don't recall all the specifics of that episode but I wonder if it wouldn't trigger a #metoo reaction these days from certain folks rather than an ethnic one.
NGL, that was one sexy fox b***h (is that the term for a female fox? or is it vixen?)
ManaByte
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Azurro
Banned
Again, you are freaking out and misreading the situation. Disney has been going out of their way to cater to the woke audience. They even had their CEO grovel and apologize to their audience.
Then this whole thing about adding the lesbian kiss is made a big deal out of, so then you can expect people to think that it's full of gender ideology. I'm sure part of the potential audience didn't want that to be shown to kids, even if apparently it wasn't really there.
It's also apparently very mediocre and by the numbers, while confusing due to it not really being about Buzz the toy and not hiring the original voice actor.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
its not even worth trying to explain.. they can generalize everyones as racistist homophobes and keep repeating it.
but to answer his statement yes a lot of parents think about their children and how they are raised. most people making fun of "think of the children" dont have children. You cannot just have a baby and sit back and say " lets see what happens!" you have to guide them into well behaved thoughtfull adults.
and GASP alot of parents dont care if their children are gay.. they do care if people are pushing sex, and political idealogy to their preteens. Disney has been backing groups that do this very things and parents dont like it. Its not about one same sex kiss in one movie. people arent seeing this movie because of a lot of reasons. Hell turning red had some PG13 moments in G rated movie that had nothing to do with gay people and parents where still a bit mad about it.
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VulcanRaven
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I haven't seen it but the trailers could have looked better. I'm sure it would do better if it was like this:
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
It looked boring and unnecessary to me *shrug* a background kiss between two women is hardly anything. Is Disney proclaiming this is another first again or something?
///PATRIOT
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You two are being very obtuse in not understanding that people does not fucking like to have their children being target by narcissism and white savior complex from some execs and writer activists.
The lesbian kiss in a void is nothing, but the agenda behind it is some fucked shit I don't need to support. My family is not part of your cult and woke activism.
LaughingStock
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I wasn't going to watch it anyway. But it warms my heart watching Disney lose money.
IntentionalPun
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Good lord at a lesbian kiss being "woke" lol
strange headache
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AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
That wasn’t the implication. But that is the overall impression people get about Disney and their executives.
RJMacready73
Banned
Believe you me I'm as anti woke as you can get, all that new age gender stuff can go jump into the fucking sea as far as I'm concerned, I'm old skool, you like girls you're straight, you like cock you're gay, you like wimmen you be a lesbian and if you like both, you're bi... End of fucking story hence why a lesbian kiss doesn't bother me, it's aa fucking natural as the cows coming home, now if Disney tried to ram that gender fluid fucking nonsense into their movies I'd be joing the pitchfork crowd, but pick your battles man, the LGTB crowd are cool and have been accepted for years now, get wit the times
LegendOfKage
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Unrelated to the debate around the kiss, isn't Disney losing money by putting their movies on Disney+ so quickly? Wouldn't it make more financial sense to force people to wait several months after a theatrical release, so it's either see it in theaters or wait a long time time?
AmuroChan
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If they had said nothing about the kiss this wouldn't have been a big deal at all. However, they went out of their way to frame a narrative that putting the kiss in the movie was an act of extreme bravery. Almost every interview with Chris Evans includes some form of question about representation. Disney magnified the dissent in order to make themselves look like heroes. I'm glad that more and more people are starting to see through the façade of the corporations and people who love to virtue signal but not actually provide any real solutions to the issues they claim to care about.
strange headache
Banned
Considering the movie got banned in 14 countries, I'd say it's brave enough.
If you really want to mess with Disney then when Lightyear goes to D+ you sign up to watch it, then as soon as that kiss happens, stop the film and CANCEL.
100% they can track when and where people start and stop their stuff and that act would send a message.
Conversely, watch that scene OVER AND Over. That, I'm sure, is also a metric they can see and would send the opposite message.
Streaming allows a level of viewership statistics that is GOLD to producers, they can see what makes you stop watching and when, what keeps you watching longer than usual, what scenes you rewatch, what scenes you fast-forward through. Pump that data into the machine and you can fine tune the dopamine hits to perfection.
Nevermind a novel creative vision through a singular lens that adheres to the classic rules of storytelling and finds an audience through positive word of mouth. CONSUME CONSUME!
100% they can track when and where people start and stop their stuff and that act would send a message.
Conversely, watch that scene OVER AND Over. That, I'm sure, is also a metric they can see and would send the opposite message.
Streaming allows a level of viewership statistics that is GOLD to producers, they can see what makes you stop watching and when, what keeps you watching longer than usual, what scenes you rewatch, what scenes you fast-forward through. Pump that data into the machine and you can fine tune the dopamine hits to perfection.
Nevermind a novel creative vision through a singular lens that adheres to the classic rules of storytelling and finds an audience through positive word of mouth. CONSUME CONSUME!
AmuroChan
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A lot of other movies also get banned in those same countries. They don't come out and beat their chest over it. True bravery does not need to be flaunted. Again, Disney does not deserve people's benefit of the doubt. This is the same company that removed a black man from a Star Wars movie poster and thanked the Xinjiang province in the credits of Mulan even though they knew that's where the Uyghur detention camps are.
strange headache
Banned
All the more reason to support them now for doing the right thing and not censoring the lesbian kiss.
ManaByte
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AmuroChan
Member
I don't care about the lesbian kiss. It doesn't bother me, but until Disney cuts all ties with China, I cannot on principle support them.
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I hear you. BTW, My last sentence was in general, not against you.
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Dr. Claus
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Yes, there is a time and place to push back against ideological/religious bullshit. This is not one of those times. Everyone who *is* is coming across as being as fucking pathetic and crazy as the typical Era member.
Hari Seldon
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Who is pushing back? Is there some type of law where everyone is forced to go and see this movie? I won't see a movie for infinite number of reasons. Being a Disney movie is one of those reasons*, another is blatant agenda pushing, and of course obviously another is bad word of mouth. This movie fails on all 3. However the amount of fucks I give is small, and the only action I will take is to simply not see the movie. That is not push back, that is simply that the movie does not check enough boxes for me to part ways with my cash money.
* I hate Disney largely for unrelated to woke reasons (although I hate them for that to). I hate Disney because they got rid of the advanced fast pass system and replaced it with ride DLC for their parks. I believe their shift from family friendly children's stuff to man-children marvel capeshit is to cultivate a fanbase who will defend them no matter what type of shit they pull. It is very much cult behavior.
haxan7
Banned
I don’t know why people even go to Disney when Universal is way better. The only people I know who go there have small kids or are New Star Wars diehards.
Dr. Claus
Banned
There is no agenda in this film. Take off the tinfoil hat and stop being as crazy as Era.
l2ounD
Member
Man I saw it and it was disappointingly low for a Pixar movie. The story was just so bland, they had all the ingredients to make an awesome Space Ranger adventure and I thought the first trailer hyped it up as that. But it failed that with some lost focus on some random non likeable side characters, particularly the pen guy and grandma. The woke stuff is trivial, lil blatant but not as in your face as the fierce woman power in end game. Its more that the whole movie is lacking anything meaningful. Maybe cause I'm old but the kid in me should have loved it, I grew up with action figures, space ships, etc.. but I didnt. Like there was no connection at all. Which is weird for Pixar, since they can pull at your heart to care for an old grandpa and asian kid, or a mexican kid but they completely flopped Lightyear.
Azurro
Banned
I don't care enough about the movie to see it even when Disney's woke marketing makes it look more woke than it supposedly is.
And anyway, after seeing the CEO grovelling and asking for forgiveness from the woke mob, I have a strong distaste for anything Disney/Marvel anyway.
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MastaKiiLA
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You're probably revealing a lot about the reliability of your news sources with this statement, as it doesn't align with what everyone else is seeing with their own eyes in the marketing. Lightyear wasn't pitched as a romantic film, and the lesbian kiss is something I think you'd have to search the internet to find out...unless you rely heavily on a certain news outlet who likes to fire up the outrage machine for the testicle-tanning crowd.
Maybe you can point out where in the marketing campaign (you know...the thing they dump tens of millions of dollars into) makes a big deal out of the lesbian kiss:
If it's not in the trailers, where exactly are you seeing this? All I saw of Lightyear were the ad spots. It looks like a movie no one else asked for, but it looks like an action kids movie. I see no hints of romance or sexuality in there. I see a black female character, which I guess automatically means it's "woke", but I don't see the lesbian kiss being played up in the promotions. If I was to guess, I'd say you learned about it through a newsertainment network, who ironically have done more to promote the lesbian kiss than a $50+ million marketing campaign from Disney ever could.
captainnapalm
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I think both sides are right here. Yes, the actual advertising for the film didn't push the lesbian stuff, but the news cycle created by people like Chris Evans doing promotion for the film certainly did. I didn't watch any Lightyear trailers, but the first time the movie popped up on my radar during its release was because Evans was doing the typical self-righteous virtue-signaling Hollywood thing of scoring brownie points for making it clear how little time he has for homophobes - which then promptly got signal-boosted on Twitter's "I'm being run by crazy people" sidebar, and from there to all the news and entertainment sites. So once again you have a movie making headlines because of stuff that should have absolutely nothing to do with a movie like this. I have no doubt that a sizable segment of the population is getting, at the very least, seriously tired of this stuff.
The setup for this movie sounds like a parent trying to explain to their kids why Kirkland's value brand Lightyear is better than the Buzz that they loved in the movies.
Value brand Lightyear may very well be superior to Toy story Buzz in every way , but it simply was not the character that kids fell in love with.
I think the issue I have with Disney is it they leave nothing to the imagination of the audience. Everyone has their own spinoff movie or show and everything has to be explained and expanded upon especially when it's not necessary at all.
The worst part about it is most of these are not done by the original creators, and have this weird fan film vibe to it all.
Value brand Lightyear may very well be superior to Toy story Buzz in every way , but it simply was not the character that kids fell in love with.
I think the issue I have with Disney is it they leave nothing to the imagination of the audience. Everyone has their own spinoff movie or show and everything has to be explained and expanded upon especially when it's not necessary at all.
The worst part about it is most of these are not done by the original creators, and have this weird fan film vibe to it all.
Tams
Member
Kirk kissing Uhura is not the same. If they decided to get it on, they could produce a small human. Two people of the same sex can't.
Now, clearly homosexuality is a thing in humans (and other animals), and that's fine. But it's something that people should find out themselves, not have it preached or even propagandised to them in their entertainment.
Don't forget that children are incredibly impressionable. It doesn't mean that's ultimately what they'll want in life though. If so I'd be a fucking fire engine right now.
Kev Kev
Member
have you seen the movie for yourself? im 35 so i grew up with toy story ad buzz and i saw the movie and it was really good. my niece and nephew who are only 8 and 9 also loved it. my mom who is 60 also really enjoyed it.
I went to both in Orlando (4 main Disney and 2 Universal parks) for the first time at age 38 this year with a 51 year old friend that hadn't been in 20+ years. I had more fun at Universal with the rides and it being more geared to adults but the Disney parks flat out felt special. Admittedly, I grew up with Disney but I felt the "Magic" there. Seeing the absolutely iconic Cinderella's Castle in person was pretty fucking cool. Both were very impressive with theming and overall quality. Definitely not a Star Wars or any property die hard for that matter.
When I go back, I'll stay at Universal and not on property at Disney though.
I will say that once I started researching how much you have to plan out the Disney trip I was really put off and we just played everything by ear. Still ate at some great places by eating later at night and experienced a lot of really cool stuff. But all the fastpass/Lightning Lane/Genie+ shit was annoying. We didn't participate in it.
When I was at disleyland a few months back the genie+ stuff actually prevented a lot of pre-planning as you can only book stuff the day you enter the park. But the $20/person fast pass was pretty gross and it's hard to optimize the genie+ "fast pass" times unless you know the geography real well. So it's, as usual, a hit and a miss. I liked the 6 month out pre-planning process of Disney pre-covid, but my wife vastly preferred the impromptu nature of genie+.
strange headache
Banned
"Homosexuality is fine, but don't talk about it guys. You don't want your kids to become gay, do you?"
...and you guys seriously wonder why people don't react well to these kinds of comments.
nush
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I kind of go both ways on this. I don't think the kiss is a huge deal. But I think it's absurd Disney put it back in the film in response to legislation passed in Florida. It's also absurd and hypocritical that they didn't include it in a bunch of other countries because those governments wouldn't allow it. Which is it Disney? Do you care about this stuff or are you just in it for the money? Be consistent. Based on they are acting they don't seem to stand for anything.
My daughter is 5 and doesn't understand the concept of homosexuality. We don't hide things like that from her or anything. But she is very aware of male/female relationships and will make comments or ask questions sometimes about how boys are this and girls are that or how mommies are this and daddies are that. We try to help her understand that not all families look like ours and that's okay. But the reality is she's five.
It's not unreasonable for a parent to say "I don't want my child exposed to homosexuality yet. I'm not ready to have that conversation with them." Kids are impressionable and parents have to figure out how to expose their kids to topics, not just about sexuality but everything. That doesn't make someone a bigot. Personally, I am not against seeing Lightyear, but I'm not going out of my way to see it. Disney is a bunch of douchebags and I honestly thought it was a direct to Disney Plus movie. it looks cheap. I'm sure we will see it at some point.
My daughter is 5 and doesn't understand the concept of homosexuality. We don't hide things like that from her or anything. But she is very aware of male/female relationships and will make comments or ask questions sometimes about how boys are this and girls are that or how mommies are this and daddies are that. We try to help her understand that not all families look like ours and that's okay. But the reality is she's five.
It's not unreasonable for a parent to say "I don't want my child exposed to homosexuality yet. I'm not ready to have that conversation with them." Kids are impressionable and parents have to figure out how to expose their kids to topics, not just about sexuality but everything. That doesn't make someone a bigot. Personally, I am not against seeing Lightyear, but I'm not going out of my way to see it. Disney is a bunch of douchebags and I honestly thought it was a direct to Disney Plus movie. it looks cheap. I'm sure we will see it at some point.
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