Pretty much.
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Plane diverted as passengers fight over seat reclining
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Pretty much.
Calamari41
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It's almost like you've never had the person in front of you violently slam their chair back into your knees for five minutes and then turn around and call you a "fucking asshole" for not spreading eagle for them so that they can gently glide into your awaiting loins.
Good post.
Freyjadour
Member
You just answered your own question. Most people respond with "the man/woman in front of me is reclining and blah blah blah", as if reclining your own seat makes any difference in that regard.
Protip: It doesn't. I'm 6'5", already have lower back pain and flying is a fucking nightmare when I can't get bulkhead / exit.
Nope. The blame rests more on the guy who decides to annoy the person they have behind. Just because you have the tools available doesn't mean you have to use them. If you do, you are an asshole, plain and simple. And I won't advocate for the right to be an asshole.
Calamari41
41 > 38
Hey buddy I'll put my feet on the back of your chair at the theater all I want. Show me the law that says I can't. Show me the law.
Duane Cunningham
Member
This fight was probably staged by the makers of the Knee Defender, knowing the article would be easy repost bait.
I think twice in my post I said that a reclining person can and often is being an asshole. However he is completely in his rights to recline. He paid for that seat and with it the right to recline if he so chooses. Under almost no circumanstance does another person have the right to impede with that persons right to recline, especially with such a dickish device.
You agreed to the terms of use when you bought your ticket. The airline set those terms and they are the ones designing the aircraft. They and the regulators who set the rules are ultimately responsible for the uncomfortable situation of their passengers.
franknbeans
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I would have loved to have been on that plane. Economy plus is like an extra $70. I'm sure some choice words were used.
I'll have to disagree then. I don't think people have a right to bother others if they can avoid it, even if it's legal or allowed.
Every flight ive been on (even domestic) has had someone reclining all the way back in front of me. Until this thread I had no idea that was considered an asshole thing to do as its been so common for me. That said I usually never recline because I don't want to inconvenience the person behind me. But im usually overly considerate.
Calamari41
41 > 38
When someone starts saying variations of "Well technically I am legally allowed to do this," that means they are probably an asshole and doing something that they really shouldn't be doing.
onken
Member
No it isn't and you and the poster are to blame for a shitty society where people say "it's the system's fault that I'm allowed to be a gigantic asshole to the absolute utmost limit of what is socially acceptable without penalty"
Mammoth Jones
Member
This. In a tight ass cabin it's just douche to recline like that. Now I never heard of this device. But I've simply said very loudly "Ow, could you please move your seat up". And generally that works. The two times it didn't I just "adjust my knee" until the person puts it up.
Fuck reclining economy seats.
It might be cultural. I fly pretty frequently within Europe and I have not seen anyone recline in years now, unless there is noone behind. Obviously people do it on the longer trans-Atlantic flights.
Yeah that's true. Guess I should have mentioned I'm from the US lol. But yeah, I see it all the time. Maybe I just have bad luck, or it's more common here. But I just assumed it's what people did. I'm not super tall (5'10) and am skinny. So it's never been a major issue for me, but I do admit it's annoying (when the planes are already camped as is).
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
You didn't say a word to her? That's kinda wierd. She may have thought you were propping something up to block the seat from reclining.
Uncle Rupee
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If fat people have to pay for two seats then it seems reasonable to expect that very tall people should pay the extra for business class or whatever has more leg room. Otherwise don't complain when someone tries to recline.
Lol, I knew GAF would come out in defense of the Knee Defender.
If you don't like that I can recline my seat, you have several options:
- recline your own seat
- fly first or business class
- fly an airline with non-reclining seats
- don't fly
Lecturing me or applying prosthetics to my seat to try and control my behavior is not the proper course of action. If anyone ever put that on my seat, they would experience me turning around backward, leaning over the seat, and engaging with them for the entire flight. At a minimum.
If you don't like that I can recline my seat, you have several options:
- recline your own seat
- fly first or business class
- fly an airline with non-reclining seats
- don't fly
Lecturing me or applying prosthetics to my seat to try and control my behavior is not the proper course of action. If anyone ever put that on my seat, they would experience me turning around backward, leaning over the seat, and engaging with them for the entire flight. At a minimum.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
I'm actually tall and the seats hit my knees as well. I usually have to contort myself in weird positions in order to be sort of comfortable. But you know what. It sounds like you guys just sit there and fester in hate.
And I would kindly put on my noise cancelling earbuds and continue doing my thing.
Calamari41
41 > 38
No, I sit there and mind my own business. At most I'll send out a "hey buddy do you want to stop that?" The guy turning around throwing shade is the one "fester[ing] in hate" in this scenario, not me.
The type of person who would go as far as using a device like this would probably pop you in the face if you did something like that.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Yea, me too.
I didn't know reclining was considered an asshole thing to do because every flight I've been on I've had the person in front of me reclining all the way back.
I don't usually recline until my own space is infringed by the seat in front, then I'd recline too. Need space, and all that. I'm uncomfortable with starting a dialog of complaint to strangers, ...
...but if the one behind me complains to me, I'd unrecline and pass on the complaint to the seat in front so everyone can breathe a bit better. This is all theoretical though. Never had anyone complained from the back and always had the front seats reclining all the way. So far.
dapperbandit
Banned
The bolded are not legitimate options, especially if the guy is a frequent flyer, which he most likely is since he actually owns one of these devices.
Lol, airplane badass right here.
Saint Gregory
Member
I'm 6'6" and I used to just ask the person in front of me on flights politely not to recline their seats since my legs would always get crushed but one flight I did this and the person just ignored me and deliberately jammed their seat back once the notice went out that it was OK to do so.
Luckily my seat belt wasn't fastened so I could jump up before I got hurt but after that incident I only fly when I can either get a seat in 1st class or at the very front row of the plane so no one's ever in front of me. If I can't get either of those options I just don't fly.
Luckily my seat belt wasn't fastened so I could jump up before I got hurt but after that incident I only fly when I can either get a seat in 1st class or at the very front row of the plane so no one's ever in front of me. If I can't get either of those options I just don't fly.
Why are you so mad? In fact, why are so many people here so emotional about this?
I get that you're annoyed by people who are taking the little space you already fighting with. But Humans can communicate. Tell them, that you would please need the space. This is a flaw where you have to be angry at the airline and not the people who just do what they're told they can do.
You went even further. You just shoved the responsibility of the systemflaw on some posters on the internet that stated that the problem lies not by individual people but the airlines themselves. And we're at fault? Aren't you at fault for yelling at the wrong tree?
DizzyCaffeine
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Pro tip: Always ask for a seat in an emergency row. The legroom is unreal.
You have the right to tell the person in front of you, that you're uncomfortable and if they could go back into standard position.
That's fine, but what if they choose, as is their right, to take no notice?
dapperbandit
Banned
But you have to put your bags in the overhead rack. Not massive but a bif of a pain if you need to get something like a laptop or similar out mid flight.
More importantly:
Do you have possess the unbridled strength of character required to operate the emergency exit in the event of a calamity? Are you prepared for that level of responsibility? Lives, hundreds of asshole's lives could depend on YOU and your ability to work the door.
Is it their right to ignore, if they're making a person uncomfortable and could solve the problem in a reasonable way? I doubt it. In that case, call a stewardess and explain the problem. Maybe the person will give in as soon as the stewardess arrives or maybe it can be arranged that you can swap with a smaller passagiere or someone that is fine with less space. Maybe even you and the person in front of you can swap and you can show that person how easy it is not to recline.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Those comparisons don't make sense. Maybe if you compared it to forcefully reclining and straightening the seat multiple times during the flight it might make more sense.
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Saint Gregory
Member
How much would it suck to be the guy mentioned in the news story as being responsible for everyone's death after a minor crash because you were too weak or dexterous to operate the emergency door
Swapping seats might just be an option, if you are alone. Anyone who reclines their seat and refuses to listen to reason is likly not going to take a lesson from you sitting in front of them NOT reclining. Simply because they are going to recline again and piss off the person behind them.
Why? A reclined seat can be a literal pain in the knees for the duration of the reclination (new word), closing the tray once is not.
I should note, I don't think I've been on flight with someone reclining in front of me for a very long time, and I've never reclined mine. Were someone to recline I'd ask politely for them not to.
rokkerkory
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douches
Gotta work those abs.
I think you've mistaken the word unconscionable with the word unconscious. Reclining your seat isn't something people do to intentionally be a dick. Preventing someone from reclining their seat, however, is.
DizzyCaffeine
Member
That's why I down a couple of screwdrivers after takeoff. The responsibility is just so overwhelming.
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