Maybe. But maybe the person behind you, is ok with that or the person formerly know as the person in front of you is too ashamed to be called out again and just let it be. In any case, communication is the key. First with the person in front of you and then, if that doesn't help with the stewardess. Just sitting their angrily or putting blocks in, isn't the best move in my opinion.
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Plane diverted as passengers fight over seat reclining
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I'm 6'3" and on EVERY flight I've been on, the second that fasten seatbelt light goes off-"BING!"-that seat in front of me slams back. It's misery.
The world is not built for tall people. Ever try to use a Hotel Shower head? Those things are made for Hobbits since the Hotels don't want to shell out the extra foot or two of pipe.
The fault in this lies entirely in the airlines. Comfort in flights has progressively gotten worse and worse so the airlines can continue to pinch pennies a little more every year and turn more profit. Fuck those fuckers to hell.
The world is not built for tall people. Ever try to use a Hotel Shower head? Those things are made for Hobbits since the Hotels don't want to shell out the extra foot or two of pipe.
The fault in this lies entirely in the airlines. Comfort in flights has progressively gotten worse and worse so the airlines can continue to pinch pennies a little more every year and turn more profit. Fuck those fuckers to hell.
I flew Jet Blue for the first time a month ago.
First thing, the flight was cheap to begin with (they are the cheapest flight from Alaska to Civilization at the moment, I could get to Seattle for as little as $100 when Alaskan want's to charge $200...)
Then I paid $30 to upgrade...
Zero wait at check in due to skipping a line
Zero wait at TSA due to skipping a line
First to board the plane
Knee/Leg room for the first time ever on a flight
Nearly first to leave the plane
Best $30 I've ever spent I'd have to say.
First thing, the flight was cheap to begin with (they are the cheapest flight from Alaska to Civilization at the moment, I could get to Seattle for as little as $100 when Alaskan want's to charge $200...)
Then I paid $30 to upgrade...
Zero wait at check in due to skipping a line
Zero wait at TSA due to skipping a line
First to board the plane
Knee/Leg room for the first time ever on a flight
Nearly first to leave the plane
Best $30 I've ever spent I'd have to say.
Sho_Nuff82
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If I could shorten my leg bones for the duration of the flight, I would.
Did you try to talk to them?
gutter_trash
Banned
You don't deserve to fly if you really feel the need to recline your chair for a flight distance between Newark to Denver.
What bothers me more than the story is the fact that Vox.com is now some business' blog. It was my prime blogging site from 2006-2009, was started from the owners of LiveJournal and provided so many options that other blogs didn't. I guess that was their downfall, but goddamn was I bitter.
It's 2 little shaped pieces of plastic/rubber. It's not like it looks like a dynamite bomb.
YesNOnoNOYes
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Actually, I need diagrams. How are kneecaps being crushed? Poor kneecaps 
I thought reclining only affects upper body space. How are you guys fitting into those seats when they are unreclined but then how are kneecaps crushed when the seats are reclined?
Sorry I just don't quite grasp the mechanics
I thought if kneecaps can fit into seat space when seats are unreclined then the movements of the back of the seat shouldn't affect knees? Cuz the base of the seats are not actually moving / movable? Am I not understanding something right :<
I thought reclining only affects upper body space. How are you guys fitting into those seats when they are unreclined but then how are kneecaps crushed when the seats are reclined?
Sorry I just don't quite grasp the mechanics
I thought if kneecaps can fit into seat space when seats are unreclined then the movements of the back of the seat shouldn't affect knees? Cuz the base of the seats are not actually moving / movable? Am I not understanding something right :<
(I'm a tiny azn woman. Pls educate me)
Except you absolutely are advocating for people's right to be an asshole by defending the asshole who bought the $20 asshole lock.
Zen_Arcade
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They're both banned devices. It doesn't need to look like a bomb, if the product is banned and should have never made it on the plane.
You can tell when you recline a seat into someone. If they were going to give a shit, they wouldn't have done it in the first place. Unless I'm hoping that a public shaming will get them to do something their conscience didn't.
Calamari41
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Actually, I need diagrams. How are kneecaps being crushed? Poor kneecaps
I thought reclining only affects upper body space. How are you guys fitting into those seats when they are unreclined but then how are kneecaps crushed when the seats are reclined?
Sorry I just don't quite grasp the mechanics
I thought if kneecaps can fit into seat space when seats are unreclined then the movements of the back of the seat shouldn't affect knees? Cuz the base of the seats are not actually moving / movable? Am I not understanding something right :<
(I'm a tiny azn woman. Pls educate me)
Tall people have longer legs, which puts their knees up higher than those of shorter people as well as putting them further out. You're right that the very bottom of the seat doesn't move backward as it pivots, but the higher up the chair you go, the further back the seat is moving. The taller a person is, the higher up the chair their knees are, and the more a reclining chair will push into them.
As for a diagram: hold your hand vertically and stick your finger into your wrist. Holding the finger firmly, pivot the vertical hand toward your stationary hand (by bending your wrist). It moves with ease. Now stick your finger at, say, the point where your palm and fingers meet. Now try to pivot the vertical hand while not allowing the stationary hand to move at all. It can't be done.
terrisus
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Actually, I need diagrams. How are kneecaps being crushed? Poor kneecaps
I thought reclining only affects upper body space. How are you guys fitting into those seats when they are unreclined but then how are kneecaps crushed when the seats are reclined?
Sorry I just don't quite grasp the mechanics
I thought if kneecaps can fit into seat space when seats are unreclined then the movements of the back of the seat shouldn't affect knees? Cuz the base of the seats are not actually moving / movable? Am I not understanding something right :<
(I'm a tiny azn woman. Pls educate me)
Because what you view as "upper body space" is space occupied by taller people's knees when sitting, especially in cramped seating.
You Are Viewtiful
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People who recline all the way are the worst. People like that are the reason we can't have nice things. There is a little bit of reclining then there is reclining so your hair is in my face.
Actually, I need diagrams. How are kneecaps being crushed? Poor kneecaps
I thought reclining only affects upper body space. How are you guys fitting into those seats when they are unreclined but then how are kneecaps crushed when the seats are reclined?
Sorry I just don't quite grasp the mechanics
I thought if kneecaps can fit into seat space when seats are unreclined then the movements of the back of the seat shouldn't affect knees? Cuz the base of the seats are not actually moving / movable? Am I not understanding something right :<
(I'm a tiny azn woman. Pls educate me)
If you are 6'+, your knees are generally only an inch or so away from the seat in front of you in economy class. Even if the bottom half of the seat doesn't tilt as much as the upper half, it doesn't take much.
Actually, I need diagrams. How are kneecaps being crushed? Poor kneecaps
I thought reclining only affects upper body space. How are you guys fitting into those seats when they are unreclined but then how are kneecaps crushed when the seats are reclined?
Sorry I just don't quite grasp the mechanics
I thought if kneecaps can fit into seat space when seats are unreclined then the movements of the back of the seat shouldn't affect knees? Cuz the base of the seats are not actually moving / movable? Am I not understanding something right :<
(I'm a tiny azn woman. Pls educate me)
By the way-the guy in this picture in the front seats looks like every guy in front of me that's had to recline.
terrisus
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Well, I mean, pill bottles and containers and liquids and such of varying sorts are banned, and they seem to be able to detect those, even though they don't look like a dynamite bomb.
I take that as an "no, I didn't talk to them". Of course it's not nice to just recline your seat, but because somebody is rude, you have to be rude too.
"He did what I don't like, so I just do what he don't like" - that is childish behavior. Adult humans should attempt to communicate. State that your uncomfortable and wish that the person goes back to the standard position. If the person is really mean and denies that, call a stewardess.
Soon this will be a non factor.
I don't know what this is, I just know I don't want it.
Calamari41
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Soon this will be a non factor.
Watch air travel simply cease to exist once this is implemented
Well, yes. I believe I mentioned it was "out of spite" in my original post. I don't care, as long as I'm not endangering anyone and just sticking it to a jerk.
Totally agree. I fucking hate it when the person in front of me fully reclines their seat and then continues to pound into it to get as much recline as possible.
I have zero problem then pulling down the fold-out table in front of me and using it liberally and often.
The twist in this story is that you're the jerk.
You Are Viewtiful
Member
Soon this will be a non factor.
Is this one of those flying bikes?
As I said, there are mature ways to handle this. What you're doing is child's play.
I noticed your post earlier in the thread and I figured that a self-absorbed jerk such as yourself would have that opinion. [/countertwist]
Self-absorbed how? Which post?
YesNOnoNOYes
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terrisus, calamari, Quixzlizx, Dalek, thank youuuu
my mind was not quite comprehending it but your replies are helpful. specially the pictures in Dalek's post.
i didn't realise the leg space is THAT tight. But then again, I've only flown Australian / Asian airlines (Singapore Airline, Emirates, Qantas) and ... if I remember correctly, the leg space is a little bit more generous than the ones in Dalek's pictures.
But yes, as for me, personally, if someone asks me not to recline, of course I'd comply !
my mind was not quite comprehending it but your replies are helpful. specially the pictures in Dalek's post.
i didn't realise the leg space is THAT tight. But then again, I've only flown Australian / Asian airlines (Singapore Airline, Emirates, Qantas) and ... if I remember correctly, the leg space is a little bit more generous than the ones in Dalek's pictures.
But yes, as for me, personally, if someone asks me not to recline, of course I'd comply !
Your "people who keep people from reclining are wrong, not the recliners." What if what's keeping the person from reclining further is my knees? I'm not saying that I'd start poking someone in the back just for reclining a seat if it didn't affect me out of principle. Reclining a seat into my body is the dick move.
Don't paraphrase me if you don't understand my post. I said that people who recline aren't intentionally being dicks, but people who prevent them from doing so are. It's possible to unintentionally anger someone by reclining into them -- but you didn't know it would happen before you reclined. All it takes is for you to ask politely if they could put their seat back, and you'll know if you're truly dealing with a dick or not.
And if I say no I'm a dick?
I guess my point would be (which I elucidated above) is that while it is true that you don't know before you start reclining whether you will bother someone, you should probably assume that reclining INTO someone will bother them, and maybe reverse course without having to be asked.
Go to a stewardess.
Calamari41
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Basically this. If you start reclining and meet resistance, and yet keep forcing your seat back, then you are a dick, end of story. Bonus asshole points if you start acting like you're trying to break down a barricaded door.
So now the person being inconviennced has to jump through more hoops simply because you feel they aren't being as sociable and outgoing as they need to be.
LaserBuddha
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The guy with the lock thing sounds like he is walking around just begging for an ass-whooping. He's also probably one of those people that think they "outrank" the flight attendants by being a paying customer.
My solution would have been to get up and remove the lock from my seat myself, and let him make the mistake of touching me while I do it.
It's called a laptop for a reason. Put it in your goddamned lap, you arrogant prick.
My solution would have been to get up and remove the lock from my seat myself, and let him make the mistake of touching me while I do it.
It's called a laptop for a reason. Put it in your goddamned lap, you arrogant prick.
If you're going to get so excited about the person in front reclining, book business or first.
Can't afford it? Then suck down what you paid for or earn more. Did you notice that space is somewhat scarce and therefore expensive on planes?
I always recline without asking and I expect the person in front of me to as well.
Can't afford it? Then suck down what you paid for or earn more. Did you notice that space is somewhat scarce and therefore expensive on planes?
I always recline without asking and I expect the person in front of me to as well.
What is more inconvenient
(1) calling a stewardess and explain the situation in a few seconds and waiting on her to resolve the issue
(2) sitting an entire flight grumpy and uncomfortable in your chair, occasionally kicking the chair in front of you in protest
Resistance could be from a lot of things. What's wrong with speaking up? I'm serious.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
Banned
If you're so concerned about space and need to recline, please book a first class ticket. Anyone with a hint of a conscience would realize that leg space is very limited in the economy section and that fully reclining without consideration for the person behind you is beyond a dick move.
Calamari41
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How about the person reclining turn around and find out what the resistance is coming from? And I do speak up, as I said earlier.
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