You still haven't addressed the fact that when you recline you are actually reducing the volume of space the person behind you has paid for, which is the crux of this issue. You have both paid for that space between the reclined/not-reclined area, you can not both have it at once. And before you say it, saying the person behind should just recline if they want that space doesn't address the fact that this only helps if it's their upper body that's uncomfortable and the fact that it just cascades the problem to the back seats, which usually can't recline. Never mind that not everyone *wants* to be reclined the pointless extra inch or so.
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Again-reclining doesn't help when your knees are being crushed. That would be like putting a pillow under your head while I stepped on your nuts.
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He was talking about in general and mentioned the volume of space. If everyone reclines, the volume of space does not change.
Spirit Airlines and Allegiant Air take the reclining mechanisms out of their seats, leaving them permanently upright.
Did you stop when you read the part you bolded? I literally addressed this two sentences later.
The chair reclining isn't affecting anyone's face, neck, shoulders, or torso.
"More space" there at the expense of less space on the lower third of one's body doesn't "solve" anything.
So saying "Just recline, problem solved!" is completely ignoring how chairs actually recline.
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - A Delta Airlines flight from LaGuardia to Palm Beach International Airport had to be diverted to Jacksonville Monday night due to an unruly passenger who lives in Boca Raton.
According to Delta Airlines, Flight 2370 was diverted due to safety reasons in regard to a passenger issue.
A report from the Jacksonville Aviation Authority identified the passenger as Amy Caryn Fine, 32, of Boca Raton.
The onboard witness, Aaron Klipin, was seated next to a woman who attempted to recline her seat. The report said that Fine was trying to sleep on a tray table and was struck in the head by the reclined seat.
"This woman who was sitting next to me knitting actually tried reclining her seat back and the woman behind her started screaming and swearing and the flight attendant came over and that just exacerbated what was going on, and then she demanded that the flight land," he said.
Klipin said when a flight attendant was called, the incident became heated and Fine insisted that the flight be diverted to the next stop.
The flight attendants tried to calm down Fine, but they said she continued to be disruptive and loud.
"She started swearing at the flight attendants and then demanding that the flight land. The flight attendants went and spoke with the captain, while somebody was blocking her path to the cabin. Then, a few minutes later, an announcement came on that we were diverting to Jacksonville," Klipin said.
Klipin said that Fine stated something to the effect of, "I don't care about the consequences put this plane down now."
Fine said in the report that she had two dogs die, and she was very emotional.
The flight attendants were concerned for the safety of themselves and the passengers, forcing the flight to be diverted to Jacksonville International Airport.
According to Klipin, a flight attendant stayed next to Fine until the plane landed in Jacksonville at 9:30 p.m., where she was escorted off the plane by police.
Fine was taken to the rental car center area and released without incident, said the Jacksonville Aviation Authority report.
The flight landed in West Palm Beach at 11:13 p.m., said Delta spokesman Morgan Durrant.
Now this was unfortunate. Lady in the front should've definitve tried to ask. In that case she would seem that Fine was sleeping.
She was sleeping on the tray table. A reclined seat doesn't affect you sleeping or hit you in the head if you sleep like a sane person.Now this was unfortunate. Lady in the front should've definitve tried to ask. In that case she would seem that Fine was sleeping.
The tandrum that Fine did was not ok too. I get that she was very emotional, but that wasn't the fault of anyone in that plane.
The only nice way I can imagine to sleep on tray tables in a plane is with the head on your arms and I think ot can hit you when someones declines. Not violently of course, I think she was more startled than hurt.She was sleeping on the tray table. A reclined seat doesn't affect you sleeping or hit you in the head if you sleep like a sane person.
She was sleeping on the tray table. A reclined seat doesn't affect you sleeping or hit you in the head if you sleep like a sane person.
The problem wasn't who is worth more, the sleeper or the recliner, but about the tandrum of the sleeper. I mean it's one thing to angry, but screaming amd demanding to divert the plane is... not so nice.Yeah, there's one perfect way to sleep and everyone sleeps that way.
Suddenly someone's right to sleep on the plane doesn't trump everyone else's right to a comfortable flight anymore.
Or if you want to recline your chair you could do the simple fucking curtesy of being aware of your surroundings and maybe asking the person who's space you're about to drop into. It's not that freakin' hard.
Don't worry. They're working on it.
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No it isn't and you and the poster are to blame for a shitty society where people say "it's the system's fault that I'm allowed to be a gigantic asshole to the absolute utmost limit of what is socially acceptable without penalty"
I'll have to disagree then. I don't think people have a right to bother others if they can avoid it, even if it's legal or allowed.
When someone starts saying variations of "Well technically I am legally allowed to do this," that means they are probably an asshole and doing something that they really shouldn't be doing.
This. In a tight ass cabin it's just douche to recline like that. Now I never heard of this device. But I've simply said very loudly "Ow, could you please move your seat up". And generally that works. The two times it didn't I just "adjust my knee" until the person puts it up.
Fuck reclining economy seats.
You guys are hilarious.Yeah, there's one perfect way to sleep and everyone sleeps that way.
Suddenly someone's right to sleep on the plane doesn't trump everyone else's right to a comfortable flight anymore.
Or if you want to recline your chair you could do the simple fucking curtesy of being aware of your surroundings and maybe asking the person who's space you're about to drop into. It's not that freakin' hard.
The pitiful amount of recline an economy seat isn't even worth it. It's a sadistic joke by the airlines.
Which I'm about to experience
Is this some kind of sick joke? Also emergency landing on that seat would be unforgettable experience.
My knee defender is my knees. I hold firm right where they are when people start to recline - you can go as far as my knees are naturally positioned.
Yet people still keep slamming back as if they're hitting some unexplained lump behind them. "Wha.. Wha is this thing behind my seat that is stopping me from reclining? It's like there's an adult male back there or something??"
I never recline on flights because I don't really feel the need to. I generally have enough space for my needs unless the person in front of me reclines. The worst feeling is using the tray table and then having it jam into you.
We are all limited in space and the flight is only 2hrs. If you want to recline, move up to 1st class.
If I'm flying, I'm reclining once we reach cruising altitude. End of story. I paid for a seat that reclines, and that's all she wrote.
Don't worry. They're working on it.
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Good luck doing that if the knees of the person behind you are up against the seat.
Amazing how many people in here have no awareness at all of how space works.
I'm sorry but if you recline on a 2 hour flight, you're a cunt.
The closest I ever came to starting a fight on an airline was when I had finally gotten to sleep on a trans-pacific flight, and the douche behind me woke me up to ask me to un-recline my seat. I refused, but I also couldn't get back to sleep and was a mess when I landed. I'd have knocked him out if there wouldn't have been repercussions.
Don't worry. They're working on it.
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Honestly, at least these seats are honest about how much space you have. On small commuter jets with too many seats, pretending what you have is a full seat is a joke and this might actually be more comfortable.
I posit that waking someone up to ask them to un-recline their seat, unless meal service is going on, is one of the douchiest things you can do.
Honestly, at least these seats are honest about how much space you have. On small commuter jets with too many seats, pretending what you have is a full seat is a joke and this might actually be more comfortable.