Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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How's the S60 for movies/cable?
The 50 inch is only $699. I will never do 3D or the extra apps on TV's so idc if it has less media apps and stuff. All I want is a good TV for movies/cable, and "sometimes" for gaming. If I do game on it it will be for games like fallout 3/skyrim.
Lv99 Slacker
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I don't know if the sale has ended, but PC Richard and Son is/was selling the 55 inch model for $694 (in store only). Saw this up in Slickdeals.
Waiting for my Xbone i'm about to upgrade my tv too, i'm 99% sold on this one
TX-P55VT60
http://www.panasonic.it/html/it_IT/...+VT60/TX-P55VT60/Sommario/11452559/index.html
Any pros and cons?
TX-P55VT60
http://www.panasonic.it/html/it_IT/...+VT60/TX-P55VT60/Sommario/11452559/index.html
Any pros and cons?
Lv99 Slacker
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One of the top five rated sets you can get for under $10k. Do you plan on doing heavy gaming? The input lag for this model is 47.9ms. I can't personally speak on this subject, but apparently, one should avoid sets that exceed 40ms if gaming is their #1 priority. On the previous page, there's a YT link to a video demonstrating the difference in lag between the S60 (34.1ms) and the ST60 (73.6ms) when it comes to gaming.
Since nobody is replying ( ;-( ), I looked around myself for a bit and now have my sights set on this; Sony KDL-42W805A. The only negative I found on it was average black levels, which shouldn't be a problem for me as I don't game in the dark. Anybody know more about this tv? How would this compare to a 2011 Samsung UE32D6500?
yeah 50/50 between gaming and bds, and i'm a huge fighting game enthusiast so it would be a huge bummer :/
i was looking for the S60 before that but still no sign of a release here in Italy T.T
checking out input lag databases, i found out the monitor i'm using has much lower input lag than what plasmas have.
does that mean i could use the monitor to play games instead? also, would consoles set to the resolution that is the same as the native resolution of the monitor offer the least input lag?
does that mean i could use the monitor to play games instead? also, would consoles set to the resolution that is the same as the native resolution of the monitor offer the least input lag?
Insane Metal
Member
I'm new to this, how can I test my tv's response time and lag input?
where's this database? I saw the cnet 2013 lag comparison and the vt60 has 34 ms.
Clone your TV and PC monitor, run the one on the right, snap a pic and compare the times. Having a CRT with it would be optimal, but you might find the information for your monitor
Seems like a Sony KDL-55W802A would be perfect for me, no release here yet wth
@k i'm kinda lost, is it possible that the 55w802a is called 55w805a here? I can't find a single info in the italian sony store about a 802 tv
Seems like a Sony KDL-55W802A would be perfect for me, no release here yet wth
@k i'm kinda lost, is it possible that the 55w802a is called 55w805a here? I can't find a single info in the italian sony store about a 802 tv
Yeah, that is probably it. The W900 is called W904 in my country, just your typical NTSC-to-PAL naming.
I believe the Panny Plasmas are also called ST55, VT65.. etc in PAL regions too.
I'm too looking at that Sony W900/W800, but I'm still not decided, since it'll mostly be connected as a second monitor for my PC (Media, and couch gaming <3 ) so Plasmas are out of the question.
Just have to figure if the W900 is worth the premium over W800.
I'm Still looking and taking suggestions for better HDTVs.
biggersmaller
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I love my Pioneer P55GT30 from 2011. I spent an absurd amount of time researching, and it was the best TV I could afford at the time. I came from LCD, and had doubts of enjoying a dimmer TV. Thought maybe only AV snobs could appreciate a dimmer TV.
Wrong was I.
I feel it overshadows any LCD that I've seen...except a Pioneer ELITE.
Go Plasma. Go Panny. Before it's too late.
Wrong was I.
I feel it overshadows any LCD that I've seen...except a Pioneer ELITE.
Go Plasma. Go Panny. Before it's too late.
Ok, been reading this thread from the start the last hour, this sound the best so far (would have prefferred a 60-65" but i'm ok with 55" too)
going for 2.1-2.3k here...was expecting it to be a lil bit lower on the price lol
I just got the w805, and if you're looking for a lower price, that might be what you're looking for. From hdtvtest;
w900 will offer better picture quality, but if you're looking for something cheaper, you might want to look the w805. I'm loving mine, a nice improvement over my 2011 Samsung.
DoucheVader
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What do you have against Plasma? The burn in is not all that bad any more, unless you watching a ticker tape news channel 24/7.
Constant image retention issues. No matter what you say, this is a problem that does not go away unless you own a Kuro(allegedly). The dithering also annoys me.
BruiserBear
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Or unless you play a lot of a particular game, etc, etc.
Just because your LED monitor has low input lag doesn't mean an LED tv is gonna be fine. Think of the engines of these TVs like car engines. You can have two 6 cylinder engines, but one is much faster than the other.
As for LEDs with low input lag, the high end Sony's are golden in this regard. The best on the market right now for any larger tv. Panasonic high end LED are also very solid.
In all honesty, that's about it for now. Unless you want a small tv. Lots of options the smaller you go.
nha, i hardly change my tv in about 4-5 ears each time, might as well go all in this time and get the W9
Melchiah
Member
I wish I had the money right now, as it sounds like the best TV for gaming out there, and I'd really like a bigger screen than my old 40".
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
The 900 series is the top of the line one.
Better contrast, better black levels, better motion resolution & more features.
FrankNitty
Member
The 802A is passive 3D and has a lower screen refresh rate. 900A is active 3D, has a higher screen refresh rate, and supports their "triluminous" color space which I believe is xvYCC color space
Outside of that they are pretty much the same
If getting a TV for "movies/cable"
Which one would you recommend. The S60 or ST60 or VT60??
Is the big difference only like the webcam, 3d and extra apps? I will never use them. I'm just looking for the best picture quality that would be under $2500, but if its under 2k that would be even better.
Which one would you recommend. The S60 or ST60 or VT60??
Is the big difference only like the webcam, 3d and extra apps? I will never use them. I'm just looking for the best picture quality that would be under $2500, but if its under 2k that would be even better.
FrankNitty
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Myself personally I would go for the VT. As it has a lower MLL (minimum luminescence level) I.E Black Level, higher gradation, better motion resolution, more aggressive filter. That being said the ZT and VT are the same panel and the only difference is the filter and the application of it. Also just to note for anyone curious in most cases the only difference between model lines from the same manufacture is the features, firmware, and maybe filter on displays. The panel itself is usually almost always the same. Ex. with previous Samsungs the only difference between the 7000's and 8000's was the filter and the firmware (which you could change a 700 to the 8000 via the service menu lol anyways....)
In regards to the ST and VT since the filter is more aggressive on the VT it will limit the light output so you can ideally get a brighter picture out of the ST. The ST will get better blacks then most other TV's out there though not as good as a VT. You do get some added extras with the VT outside of what I mentioned above but meh it's all fluff imho. Touch remote, built in camera, etc.
The S is a nice TV but you have less inputs and miss out on the advanced calibration controls so I would disqualify that by default personally. You only get 2pt W/B controls, which is not bad but I personally prefer a full W/B and CMS suite
Best bang for your buck in that price range is the ST you get good performance and you can get a larger size. Depending on where you get the VT in that price range you would be on the smaller size scale.
So it really comes down to how important are blacks to you, and do you need a better filter.
In terms of just which will provide you the best PQ. ZT/VT > ST > S
ScaryMovies
Member
When it comes to TV's there is really no discussion. Plasma is the obvious answer. OLED's will probably be better, but it'll be a few years until the massess will be able to get their hands on one.
When it comes to gaming on PJ's (as far as I know), DLPs are the best, due to low response time/input lag.
When it comes to gaming on PJ's (as far as I know), DLPs are the best, due to low response time/input lag.
BruiserBear
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The only good option for gaming among the TVs you mentioned is the S60. The input lag is an acceptable 34ms. The others are much higher.
The ST60 is a fine TV as long as you don't mind crippling input lag while playing games on it.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57587317-221/game-mode-on-cnet-tests-tvs-for-input-lag/
BruiserBear
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It's 2 extra frames of lag. Even by CNET's liberal scale for acceptable input lag, they do not recommend buying the ST60 for gaming. That should tell you something.
IMO anything beyond the 40ms is truly unacceptable, but you'll find people who will put up with lots of shit, so who knows.
FrankNitty
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He said for Movies and Cable...you even quoted him. No where did he mention gaming. But yes if he is looking for gaming with lowest input lag the S is what he would be looking at. If he didn't want to sacrifice PQ, then the VT is where he would want to be.
The HX929 is a damn fine display, but the price vs performance and features is meh you can get a panasonic with better PQ for less. If you wanted or needed an LCD though it really is one of the only suitable options along with the elite. the year it released it definitely stood toe to toe with the top of the line plasma's, but was eclipsed with the next year offerings.
Which imho is another testament to plasma being in order to get an LED LCD with comparable performance to a top of the line plasma the LED has to be full array backlit with local dimming and the price is upwards to 1000+ dollars more then a plasma.
I game fine on my ZT60 and 500M but I am more a movie watcher myself and don't like subpar PQ. In the end unfortunately you cannot have it all so got to pick and choose what is most important to you. I value PQ pretty high though if there was a ridiculously high input lag I would pass
BruiserBear
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My bad. I did not notice his specificity there. I guess I assume anyone asking on this forum is also considering gaming.
vpance
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Should be 2 extra at 60 FPS, 1 at 30 FPS.
I gamed the entire gen on a Pio 5080 which I think had sub 30ms lag so I wonder if I could ever get used to 75ms. Probably not I guess. Too bad, that seems to be the ST only sticking point.
So it's going to be S60 vs F5500 vs VT60. Leaning towards S60 or F5500 now, then the VT later as the price drops and use the former as a secondary set.
vpance
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I was just thinking about how PS4 and Xbone should have pretty substantial input lag reduction with the better controllers and wireless tech. How much isn't certain yet, but if we could generally cope with current gen's controller + display lag, maybe it wouldn't really matter that much in relative terms, especially if next gen's improvement makes up for all these great but slow new TV's.
Insane Metal
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Any hints on videos or software to calibrate the TV?
BruiserBear
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Yes, they've both said their new controllers will "reduce latency", but I suspect we're talking about something on the order of 5-10ms or so. The controllers were very quick as is, but now they'll just be a bit faster.
vpance
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Then I guess the bulk of the lag will always still come from the game engine itself. Looking at old EG lag comparo articles it's not uncommon for games themselves to already have a built in 8-12 frames of lag. And who knows if next gen games will generally improve or worsen upon that, with extra rendered layers for the framebuffer.
Jeff Stephen
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There are those who are satisfied with just using a BR calibration disc bundled with a color filter.
http://www.amazon.com/Wow-World-Wonder-Blu-ray/dp/B00462PTDQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1375382052&sr=1-1&keywords=disney+wow
Then there are software bundles with a colorimeter which has a bit of a learning curve but well worth the investment.
http://store.spectracal.com/consumer/rent/c6-calibration-rental-kit-14-day-extension.html
Another option is to purchase a meter and use HCFR which is a free alternative to Calman and Chromapure.
http://www.homecinema-fr.com/colorimetre-hcfr/hcfr-colormeter/
FrankNitty
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You have a few options. HCFR is ok and it's free but it has no work flow meaning you have to know what you are doing. if you go this route google grayscale for dummies for a walk through on how to calibrate.
Other options are Chromapure which has a workflow and pretty easy to use, as well as calman 5. Both are pretty good. I have both and tend to use chromapure more. though I do like the options and flow calman has such as they basically write it out for you like when you are doing your 2 pt grayscale. 30, 80, this or that etc.
At the very least get a display 3. You can get a pro version that is profiled against a reference meter for calman and chormapure. Though a pro meter wouldn't do much on HCFR unless you have a profile offset to load.
I actually use a multiple set of disc as they all provides different things and depending on the display I'm calibrating I use different methods. Ex. When I did my Zt I was having problems getting my errors for luminance errors below 3 and red was giving me problems, so what I did was out of the norm but worked great. I did a full CMS first, then grayscale, then cms again. Then I did a 2nd pass with a normal workflow and tightened it up.
You will need multiple disc that have different patterns and % sizes and intensity as well as APL depending on what display you calibrate as they all behave differently. Some need windows, some need full field, some need windows with APL etc etc.
Also I would suggest control cal just because it has so many benefits. saving and copying ISF settings, and controlling displays without the GUI up. Activating ISF memories. this is really mainly for Pioneers, Panasonics, and Sharp Elites. It's so worth it though.
The disney disc is good, the Star pattern for setting brightness and contrast is sooo good.
Other good calibration disc are Spears and Munsil 2nd edition it has 3D on it, GCD, masicor's Disc, AVSHD709 (this is actually pretty close to a pattern generator for the images it has) There are some others. You can generally find one someone made that will go with whatever program you are using. Just make sure you find the values of what the patterns are.
Good choice. Excellent display. Dat brightness!
Melchiah
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I think HDTVtest disagrees with you, considering the thread is titled "...best tv for next gen".
Insane Metal
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Thanks for the answersm guys.
If you're in Germany and you want a decent European price for the KDL-47W805 and KDL-55W805 then check out this:
KDL-47W805 at 1044,05
https://outlet.sony.de/shop/Fernseher/102-116cm/KDL47W805ABAE2.A
KDL-55W805 at 1452,55
https://outlet.sony.de/shop/Fernseher/132-152cm/KDL55W805ABAE2.A
Coupon code: GENVCHDAFF813
6% of the price by buying via Qipu (52,64/73,24)
https://www.qipu.de/cashback/sony/?campaign=true
I don't know if I should hold out for the KDL-55W905 as I seldom buy TVs.
KDL-47W805 at 1044,05
https://outlet.sony.de/shop/Fernseher/102-116cm/KDL47W805ABAE2.A
KDL-55W805 at 1452,55
https://outlet.sony.de/shop/Fernseher/132-152cm/KDL55W805ABAE2.A
Coupon code: GENVCHDAFF813
6% of the price by buying via Qipu (52,64/73,24)
https://www.qipu.de/cashback/sony/?campaign=true
I don't know if I should hold out for the KDL-55W905 as I seldom buy TVs.
I pulled the trigger on the above KDL-55W805. I compared it to the W905 but I can't justify the 1000 EUR premium, despite how sexy it sounds.
Will report in a week how I'm liking it. I wanted to wait until the end of the year but this deal presented itself so I might as well get it now.
Will report in a week how I'm liking it. I wanted to wait until the end of the year but this deal presented itself so I might as well get it now.
I got a 42" w805, liking it so far. Black levels seem to be the weakest point, as expected from reading several reviews, but that isn't really a problem for me. However, I suck at calibrating and can't seem to find any recommended settings anywhere, so some of the colors appear a bit wonky to me... Anyone got any advice?