You were right the picture quality of that TV was abyssmal. Then I saw plasma and fell in love. Unfortunately Panasonic is completely unavailable, so can anyone recommend me a plasma 1080p in the 42''-50'' range?
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You were right the picture quality of that TV was abyssmal. Then I saw plasma and fell in love. Unfortunately Panasonic is completely unavailable, so can anyone recommend me a plasma 1080p in the 42''-50'' range?
Rex_Harrison
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I'm now the proud owner of the 55'' VT60!
It's still in the box though because I have to make space for it, but jeez that screen sure is glossy! Even more than my old CRT (I have never used LCD).
I just turned it on after delivery to see if it worked and the blacks in the menu were grey. But I know that's because it's not calibrated or anything like that. I don't know what I was expecting
I will give more impressions after a few days.
The blacks were most likely dark grey because you were in a well lit room. You don't need a calibration to get deep blacks, you really don't need a professional calibration at all with the VT60, it's very accurate out of the box. Put it in THX cinema mode tonight and you'll see some deep blacks. Also, the blacks will improve after it gets some hours on it.
Rex_Harrison
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It depends, what's your budget ? Will it be in a well lit room ?
Personally I'd go with the F8500 51". It's on par with the High end Panasonic's and has much better daytime performance.
There's also the Samsung F5300 51". It doesn't have a filter on the screen, so during the day the blacks will look more like light to medium grey, and overall the picture will kinda suck if you have a lot of light in your room. It does have a good picture at night or in a darkened room though. Then there's the F5500 51", which is basically the same thing but with 3D and a cooler remote.
Other than those there's not many other options unless you wait for Samsungs 2014 plasmas to come out. LG plasmas are shit.
Oh man, the F5300 looks perfect and it's on a nice budget. I initially looked into getting a max 39'' tv for like $400 but this has ballooned considerably haha. I'm still in college so I can't have a huge tv so this size is slightly pushing it but that deal is almost too good. Ideally -I'd want something between 42''-47'' and am willing to go up to around $1000. But I may have to bite on that Samsung
Rex_Harrison
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I wouldn't recommend biting it, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
51" 1080p Plasma for $650 is a good deal. Most people don't regret going bigger than they planned either.
Lostconfused
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Well the problem is that even if it is next gen consoles won't always output 1080p. Xbox One upscales its image so that won't be that much of an issue I guess? But I don't know about the PS4, if games are not running at 1080p it won't look as good. Especially since you will be sitting a lot closer to the monitor as well.
Then there are other considerations like motion blur on LCD screens and that the colors won't look right on a TN panel.
Edit: Either way I have both the MX239H and the VG248QE sitting in front of me right now and I hate the VG248QE. The OSD menu isn't great, the calibration options are poor and I couldn't get the colors to look good on it even when using an ICC profile. If it wasn't modable with a G-Sync board I would have gotten rid of it a long time ago.
The MX239H is a cheap and ok IPS panel. Better blacks and colors than any TN panel. The settings/menus/calibration are nowhere near as good as Dell monitors. But at least I managed to calibrate well enough I think. Its ok as a primary desktop, maybe ok for gaming. There will still be ghosting and motion blur on it so it's not a spectacular gaming monitor or anything.
Yeah I'll take it. I hadn't seen a plasma screen up close recently I think the last one I got to see up close was from like 2007. So when I went in and saw recent ones with that quality I knew I had to spend whatever extra to get it
AlimNassor
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So I saw a W900 today, and I wasn't that impressed. It didn't look that much better then my old HD-55" CRT I have from over a decade ago. W900's blacks were black, and the IQ was good. Maybe I'm blind.
Meanwhile the 4k looked like hot shit. Everything was blurry and fuzzy, and unrealistic. Is 4k just a gimmick?
Meanwhile the 4k looked like hot shit. Everything was blurry and fuzzy, and unrealistic. Is 4k just a gimmick?
Hmm what store were you at and was it possible you weren't accidentally looking at potatoes?
ReyVGM
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Hey don't criticize, you don't know if it had an eating disorder!
iamshadowlark
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Which kind of setting were you looking at these tvs in? Showrooms for electronics stores are notoriously bad for judging PQ.
Also which 4k tv did you view? Were they using a native source?
Rex_Harrison
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It's hard to properly judge a TV in a showroom environment. Most of the stores I've been into have shit feeds. Just a couple months ago my GF and I were in BB and I showed her the VT60 and told her that's the TV I wanted to get. She looked at me like I was nuts. The picture did look shit. They had ESPN on and it looked like they were using a shittier than average coax feed. I knew it was one of the best TV's ever made and it was their feed that was shit, but what about someone that didn't do their research? They'd look at that VT60 and say, " Are you kidding me ? Plasma is trash! LED is so much moar bedder ! " It was literally hands down, the worst looking TV in that Best Buy.
ReyVGM
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Disable pixel orbiter.
Does that activate all the time or something? And I'm scared of burn-in. I think it's more the dithering though, images like the Wii U disc icon flicker even when it's supposed to be still.
Pixel Orbiter is on by default on newer Panasonic PDPs but you can very easily turn it off (increasing risk of image retention). What you're describing doesn't sound like an effect of the pixel orbiter though.
ReyVGM
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Burn in will only happen if you are an asshole to your TV.
Besides, pixel orbiter does not prevent burn-in 100%. For example, if you have a green logo, it doesn't matter if the screen shifts 1 pixel to the left/right/up/down because there will always be a spot near the center of that logo where it will always be green and that will be retained if you abuse it.
This CNET article still cracks me up. They ran a DVD loop overnight to break in the TV pre calibration but came in the next morning to find that the static DVD menu had been on the screen for hours. Oops.
I'm in the market for a TV. I have almost no knowledge on these things. My budget is around 350 bucks and my room size/viewing distance tells me I'd prefer 32".
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/331792/philips-32pfl3258h-zwart.html
Was looking at this one, based on recommendations. Brand,price, type.
1. How are Samsung and Philips as TV brands? Because I fucking hate the quality of my s3.
2. What do I need to look for in a TV? What are some off missed obstacles? What TV has the littlest burn in?
3. With a budget of only 350 can I even find a good TV?
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/331792/philips-32pfl3258h-zwart.html
Was looking at this one, based on recommendations. Brand,price, type.
1. How are Samsung and Philips as TV brands? Because I fucking hate the quality of my s3.
2. What do I need to look for in a TV? What are some off missed obstacles? What TV has the littlest burn in?
3. With a budget of only 350 can I even find a good TV?
AFAIK, Auto is basically off.
If you're a gamer, then it is good to have a tv with a low response time. So I think Sony is then a good choice:
http://www.kieskeurig.nl/led_tv/sony/kdl-32w655/1236962
http://www.kieskeurig.nl/led_tv/sony/kdl-32r420/1215945
lostinblue
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Those two are not very snappy, but they're acceptable.
Wow I would be super pumped. Congrats and enjoy !
Thank you, I am. It is my first 1080p set...upgrading from a Pioneer PDP4340...a 43" 720 beauty.
lostinblue
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The design for those didn't age very well, but I saw one the other day and image quality was still quite impressive.
Wouldn't part with it easily.
AlimNassor
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Yeah, but it has wheels
lostinblue
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Rex_Harrison
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The slides are just a safe way to break it in (by safe, I mean you don't run the risk of having a channel logo burn in to your screen and no letterbox or 4x3). Slides are completely unnecessary. Just watch mostly full screen content for the first 100 hours and you'll be fine.
The break in does not make your set less prone to IR as some people believe, it simply ages the phosphors evenly until they settle in.
More than break in i was interested in a calibration i found online (D-Nice's, to be exact) so i'll just follow his method to the letter, to be sure.
The design for those didn't age very well, but I saw one the other day and image quality was still quite impressive.
Wouldn't part with it easily.
It is just going to be packed up for a while. It will get another chance to shine once we have a little more space...as it is we are a one TV home.
rocksteady1983
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So I found that on my st60 (which I've had for several months with 1600+ hours) I've always used dnice's settings with a few clicks here and there and it looked phenomenal. I was playing with some settings tonight and put AGC (adaptive gamma control) to a 2 and black extension to a 2 and holy shit does it add some punch. Brings out a TON of detail. Albeit crushes a "few" shades of black, but man, I think the payoff with detail is worth it. I turned it to Spartacus: war of the damned and compared normal dnice and the new agc/black extension additions and I can't believe the effect. Almost 3d. Guys may want to take a look. I'm sure the ultra purists will complain it throws gamma and ire and all that random stuff out of whack but I'll be damned if it doesn't add a nice punch I had never seen the st60 show before.
ReyVGM
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Well, I finally hooked up my VT60. I'm in love. Absolutely no problems with anything, fan is quiet (October build), image is great. I see a lot of dots moving around when I'm close, but I read that it's normal (dithering) and that it will get better over time. And besides, I can only see them when I'm close to the screen, which I will never do.
What had me scared the most was that the TV was being shipped from the USA to my country far far away, but thankfully everything arrived perfectly.
What had me scared the most was that the TV was being shipped from the USA to my country far far away, but thankfully everything arrived perfectly.
Slackbladder
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I don't understand why so many TV's have some kind of wretched 'eco' bollocks ruining the PQ. My current Samsung has it and it's a real pain to get rid of. Ans when I read reviews of these tv's the first thing they do is turn them off. Why do companies bother? Is it a legal obligation? Or do they think adding this crap will sell tv's?
Just to add I'm considering getting a F8500/8000 or W905.
Just to add I'm considering getting a F8500/8000 or W905.
iamshadowlark
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I can't see how dithering is an issue for anyone unless they use a plasma as a PC monitor
mhayze
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My living room TV just died. It's either the very best time for it to die (close to Superbowl sale time for 2013 TVs in the US=), or the worst (now we know about all the 2014 cheaper 4K, full array local dimming sets and better color accuracy sets from CES, but they're not available yet)
What to do, what to do.
What to do, what to do.
mhayze
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Manufacturers do not quote latency, if by latency you mean input lag, but you can check this site.
If you mean bluriness, then the best spec is 'lines of motion resolution" but only a few manufacturers quote this spec.
If you mean video lag compared to audio, again, not quoted.
Seeing a pattern here?
So my TV came in...my god it is beautiful.
Unfortunately the installers screwed just about everything up about the install.
1. TV is not level...one side is 3/4" higher than the other.
2. They mounted it 8 or so inches above when I told them to.
3. The mount is pulling off the wall on the left side (TV is secure).
4. Due to all of the above they didn't finish hiding the wires.
This was a day of mixed emotions
So just so we are on the same page...they know they fucked up and are going to make it right...how I am not sure outside of mounting it correctly.
Unfortunately the installers screwed just about everything up about the install.
1. TV is not level...one side is 3/4" higher than the other.
2. They mounted it 8 or so inches above when I told them to.
3. The mount is pulling off the wall on the left side (TV is secure).
4. Due to all of the above they didn't finish hiding the wires.
This was a day of mixed emotions
So just so we are on the same page...they know they fucked up and are going to make it right...how I am not sure outside of mounting it correctly.
Unconditional
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is a Sharp LC-70LE757 worth $1400 without warranty? I've been out of the TV game for awhile and it looks like a deal from the prices I see around the net.
See You Next Wednesday
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Seems it's worse than Sharp's cheaper models
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sharp-lc-60le757/4505-6482_7-35567060-2.html