Weltall Zero
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Great read indeed. It's unfortunate how the unintentionally hidden depths of games such as Vanquish and The Wonderful 101 prevent them from reaching the critical and commercial acclaim they so truly deserve.
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PlatinumGames Community Thread | Platinum maintains its luster forever
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Great read indeed. It's unfortunate how the unintentionally hidden depths of games such as Vanquish and The Wonderful 101 prevent them from reaching the critical and commercial acclaim they so truly deserve.
Do you have any ideas about the next poll? How long should we stick with this one? It seems we know which Platinum game GAF thinks is the best. which I disagree with all of you completely
More polls would be awesome. I think 2-3 weeks for this poll is enough. We've been having this poll for 10 days if i'm not mistaken. Let's see how everybody else thinks!
:'(
Really. really unfortunate.
Weltall Zero
Member
Oh yeah, forgot to comment on this. Is there anyone that really considers Gears of War "serious" and "mature"? I found that shocking, honestly!
(not to criticize GoW, its narrative is perfect for the kind of game it is... but it's like calling Riddick serious and mature).
I don't know whether it's about the unintentionally hidden depths of mechanics or, like the article seems to suggest, the fact that neither the reviewers nor most of the market really care about them, rather than the easy gratification and gritty power fantasy story. I agree with the author of the article that Vanquish gets better and better on subsequent playthroughs (as do all P* games for me), but that is something probably few reviewer ever experience, at least not until after the reviews are up.
And repeated playthroughs in general are not getting much love from most people, I think. Length seems to be valued much higher, which always works against P* games, as they're usually short, but meant to be played over and over.
Generally, P* should probably rework their tutorials - the loading screens in Vanquish teached me more than the lengthy tutorial did. I'm not sure how to do that, though. How do you properly explain deep, complex mechanics without boring most people to death before the game even starts?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Stylish is a family business.
Yep, that guy could definitely kick my ass.
You make a optional tutorial or you introduce them scenarios in which they can try it so they may apply them later is my guess. I feel like even if you do it as such, people would complain about the former for being lazy or the latter as them "forcing" people to play they want to play.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
You can clearly see he's Kamiya's father, lol.
I think Vanquish kind of tried this approach, only very subtly, over the first couple encounters.
The very first combat area was a bullet hell where the game pretty much told you to Boost to flank the enemies and gain advantage. It was a hint that you should take advantage of your superior mobility instead of hiding behind cover and popping "safe" shots. From the very beginning it established the role of your supporting marines as your shield - the enemies' attention was directed to them while you destroyed them from behind. It also had some turrets and the first hijackable mech that introduced the concept of using the enemies' resources against them and thus gaining the upper hand (not to mention the mech served as a good opportunity to try out the AR mode to accurately shoot its operator).
An area later you're given a sniper rifle and a bunch of explosive barrels in the distance that decimate those pesky turret using robots when destroyed, which teaches you that situational use of some guns yields awesome results and that the assault rifle is not always the way to go. Then a boss appears (Argus) that not only tests whether you learned all your lessons so far, but also reinforces that you shouldn't abuse cover by blasting it apart with lasers.
So really, over the first two combat scenarios in the game all of its core concepts are gradually introduced, though at a very fast pace and not as openly as many games do it these days. Of course, the question is how many players are observant enough to get what the game is hinting, adapt to it and put all that to good use over the course of the campaign. I know I didn't.
Ludicrous Speed
Banned
Serious question, do we ever see Bayonetta naked? I'm a few hours into the game and I keep hoping for a glimpse but her hair always gets in the way.
If you know where to look for, you can see everything that exists naked.
But, to answer your question, no. You don't get to see Bayonetta naked on the game. You dirty pervert.
I see a proud father here and i think something got in my eye.
Weltall Zero
Member
If you know where to look for, you can see everything that exists naked.
But, to answer your question, no. You don't get to see Bayonetta naked on the game. You dirty pervert.
Technically you see her naked all the time. Her clothes are made of her hair, after all.
I actually wish the game and particularly wicked weaves were a bit less revealing. I'm OK with final summons as the fixed camera angles during the sequences work well to tastefully hide everything, but the barely there V string bikini during wicked weaves is a bit too fanservicey for my tastes.
We know that Bayonetta would curbstomp Dante. But I wondered who would win between Bayonetta and The Wonderful 101 (with Platinum Robo)
I asked Kamiya, and this was his response: https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/462031880708059136
I asked Kamiya, and this was his response: https://twitter.com/PG_kamiya/status/462031880708059136
Bob Coffee
Member
I want that shirt. P* make it happen! I will throw money at my screen!! So awesome.
It takes itself seriously I think is the point. Though I've never played them, that's just the impression I get.
Enjay said:
EDIT- just had a smoke and realized and the level design & cheap death complaint might be intentional and the games are designed for multiple playthroughs. With each subsequent play through becoming more rewarding until you're able to just break the game.... which after having it frustrate you so much at first feels so fun and satisfying. Man sucks that there's so many games coming out and such huge backlogs these days that people just don't have the time or patience to get how fun the game feels when you finally adapt to it.
It's one of the few gaming-related shirts that I want to this day.
TheSpaceBetween
Member
Love Platinum. I would say TW101 > Vanquish > Bayo > MW > MGR. Love them all, I should pick up the other two at some point.
Ha, he usually gets angry at X vs. Y questions
Man, me and salty Enjay would have A LOT to talk about, lol
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I want some more Bayo 2 news! *sulks*
*reads original comment* Now wait just a minute... *notices "salty after MGR"* ...OK, you're justified. I openly admit being a Platinum fangirl and yet I still consider MGR the single most frustrating game I ever played.
And yes, playing a Platinum game once is doing it wrong. I agree with everything in the above quote, pretty much.
AkimbO_Arcana
Banned
I blame Wii Us intall base.
Majukun
Member
talking about Platinum merchandise,why they never opened the online shop?
Stylish is a family business.
thet "test run" saw them go sold out in a matter of hours,than nothing happened.
there was probably some other problem ,i know,but i would really love to have a place were to buy t-shirts like that
Weltall Zero
Member
PlatinumGamesJP's twitter said:
Wow, glad to see I'm not alone. Moe killed 50%+ of anime for me.
Enjoying Shingeki no Kyojin for many reasons, and one of them is it's 100% absence of goddamn moe.
TC McQueen
Member
What's the context for the quote?
Cbajd5
Member
Weltall Zero
Member
Stylish is a family business.
They look i-d-e-n-t-i-c-a-l look at that grin... i want to be his son.
I haven't actually played a Platinum game before (checking out Bayonetta for a couple of minutes doesn't count in my book) but thought you all might find this interesting:
PlatinumGames - Training the new recruits
PlatinumGames - Training the new recruits
CrackPebbles
Member
I would buy every shirt and NEVER wear them
That's how much I love plat, basically taking any excuse to throw money at them.
That's how much I love plat, basically taking any excuse to throw money at them.
Riposte
Member
Haha, Kill la Kill isn't "moe". It's actually a pretty good watch: neat hotblooded action with interjecting wacky humor (I can see the PG connection there, not that I think someone should badger them about it).
Badgering PG is how you make them not wanting to make a game (RIP PG Starfox).
Weltall Zero
Member
I admit I was slightly confused about this comment as well, as (not having watched it), I had seen Kill La Kill compared mostly to Gurren Lagann; not an anime one immediately associates with moe.
Weltall Zero
Member
TTGL makes KLK look like it's a moe animu >
Heh. Admittedly, TTGL does that to pretty much any anime.
... now I want a TTGL P* game. :/
Weltall Zero
Member
W101's a start at least
Yep. Although having heard the comparison before, I expected it would turn even crazier by the endgame.
I considered the W101 would travel in time and get to fight the Greater Galactic Coalition in a massive spaceship battle. Really hope we get a W101 2 and they do some of that.
Also, Unite Drill!