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[Ronin_7]

According to Julien Chieze, the gap is no longer 90-10% but 93-7% currently in favor of PS5.

Remember, Oscar Lemaire communicated less than a month ago a gap of 90-10% in favor of PS5.

2023 in France:
PS5 – 93%
XBS – 7%


2016 LTD in France:
PS4 - 1.06M - 77%
XBO - 0.31M - 23%

Source: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...-1-ps5-143-2-nsw-20-3-xbs-52.2147/post-210918

In the UK promotions apparently haven't done much for Xbox.

Source: https://www.resetera.com/threads/ig...e-to-struggle-in-europe.787791/post-115349361

 

[mansoor1980]

phil is on thin ice

 

[azertydu91]

Source: https://www.installbaseforum.com/fo...-1-ps5-143-2-nsw-20-3-xbs-52.2147/post-210918

I see that Bernd Lauert shitpost on every forum he goes to.

 

[Thirty7ven]

It doesn’t matter because tomorrow never dies, next year is always around the corner, and next gen is powered by your dreams.

 

[Heisenberg007]

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Whatever plan Phil had did not work. I wonder what's Microsoft's / Xbox's management thinking right now and what plans they will implement next.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

93% vs 7%?

At what point is it even worth selling these things?

Most of Europe's sales are in December for Christmas...it's not even black friday.
How is it going to end next the year? 96/4?

Sony's strategy is great though. They want the most number of people with a PS5 until their studios start pumping out games by 2025. By then they will have a userbase of around 70/80M. Until then new users will have a huge catalog to play, plus the ones coming out in 2024 (Death Stranding 2, FFVII Rebirth, Silent Hill 2, Helldiver 2, TLOU2 Remastered, etc). Meanwhile Xbox is getting more and more irrelevant for 3rd party studios...

 

[StealthGoblin]

So we know Spain is a wash.
France is a wash.
Japan is a wash.

We also know that the gap in sales is growing rapidly in the US and the UK.

Any other reports?

I didn't expect things to get like this. I expected a comfortable PS5 'win' everywhere but this feels like a bloodbath.

 

[Robb]

2023 in France:
PS5 – 93%
XBS – 7%

 

[mansoor1980]

hmmmmmm

 

[PanzerCute]

As a French man, I feel offended this is fucking hilarious hahaha.

But yeah, Xbox collapsed dramatically here. Xbox Vanilla was more than decent, 360 was huge, but since Kinect and Xbox One it all went downhill and as mentioned on another thread, it feels like they gave up. (That or they are very incompetent. Or maybe both who knows?)

 

[GHG]

hmmmmmm

I can fix her.

 

[Big Baller]

 

[shaddam]

I feel like my country is about the same. The only people who bought xbox this gen only bought it because ps5 was impossible to get.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

 

[GHG]

It doesn’t matter because tomorrow never dies, next year is always around the corner, and next gen is powered by your dreams.

It makes me wonder who these people think they are kidding at this point.

Maybe the only reason they're still beating that old drum is to kid themselves.

 

[lh032]

if this kept going on, Microsoft is going to acquire the EU

 

[Dcr1d3r]

Damn man....the writing's on the wall and this holiday season is gonna be a slaughter fest!

 

[REDRZA MWS]

Who cares? Play video games and some fucking fun.

 

[Moses85]

Put Phil into the

But hey!
Gamepass and Most powerful console

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

In Europe at least...

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Who cares? Play video games and some fucking fun.

Tell this ColtEastwood Klobrille and all the other Clowns.

 

[Radical Dreamer]

Phil right now:

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Well, well, well, let's see what our friends, the Xbox pundits, have to say in their respective podcasts.

 

[SimTourist]

 

[Chechack]

Whats the point of 93% more but their engagement is lower than 7%

Ha

Haaaaaaaa

Haaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[GHG]

Tell this ColtEastwood Klobrille and all the other Clowns.

 

[64bitmodels]

Who cares? Play video games and some fucking fun.

When the console is discontinued and all the servers shut down you won't be able to.

 

[TheMan]

I honestly have no idea how they could rebound. You’d think gamepass would be their ace in the hole- it’s the kind of service many of us dreamed about for decades and yet it’s not enough.

I guess it comes down to those consistently good to fantastic ps5 exclusives. MS has failed pretty dismally in that department. Here’s hoping they turn things around

 

[Horseganador]

In Spain it is 89-11, in France 93-7, that is now impossible to recover.

 

[Dorfdad]

Honest question for me is why? Why are the numbers so lopsided? Technically speaking the series x is a great piece of kit.

In some of the marquee games the Xbox has a slight advantage in image quality and frames.

COD and hogwarts are two of the biggest games which have sharper graphics and more stAble frame rates according to some reviews. They have the superior gamepass platform. Why is this thing tanking compared to ps5?

I have all consoles so I’m not a fanboy console warring, I’m just genuinely questions why it’s turning out this way?

Exclusives for sure make a difference but I can’t see a 90-10 split for that alone??

Maybe time for a 399 series x sale??

 

[Lysandros]

But hey!
Gamepass and Most powerful console

Gamepass.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

People say that sales of Series in EU collapsed yet I had no problem selling my Series X.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Not like french opinions matter anyway

 

[BootsLoader]

As someone said here on GAF, next gen will be Xbox gen.

 

[GHG]

Honest question for me is why? Why are the numbers so lopsided? Technically speaking the series x is a great piece of kit.

In some of the marquee games the Xbox has a slight advantage in image quality and frames.

COD and hogwarts are two of the biggest games which have sharper graphics and more stAble frame rates according to some reviews. They have the superior gamepass platform. Why is this thing tanking compared to ps5?

I have all consoles so I’m not a fanboy console warring, I’m just genuinely questions why it’s turning out this way?

Exclusives for sure make a difference but I can’t see a 90-10 split for that alone??

Maybe time for a 399 series x sale??

All of the tings you listed are based on your personal preferences/needs, evidently most other people don't care about them and there are other platforms that they've found that suit their needs and preferences better.

Owning all platforms doesn't prevent you having a distorted/biased view towards things or from being a fanboy.

If you feel the need to preface your opinion with "I'm not a fanboy" then we likely aren't off to a very good start anyway.

But to answer your question on a deeper level, catering your product and it's marketing to local cultures is a thing, it's very important and it's something Xbox have never got to grips with very well anywhere that they operate outside of countries that are partial to an "Anglo/American" approach. It's actually something I didn't realise first hand until I moved away from the UK.

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

What are we talking about here? Just over a million consoles total between them BOTH is maybe 1% of the gaming market, probably less. 1 million consoles is 2% of playstations market share. This is such a nothing story. Xbox outsold Playstation 4:1 in my household, make a thread on that cause my numbers are just as relevant. I don't like either console this gen, but come on, quit acting like these numbers mean anything. Nobody cares about France.

 

[Porticus]

399 what's? Carrots? Not even then they can sell it.

In Europe is dead, bomba, niente, nada.

Pack it up MS, clean the house from the big mismanagement and then maybe they can gain back a bit of decency.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

What are we talking about here? Just over a million consoles total between them BOTH is maybe 1% of the gaming market, probably less. 1 million consoles is 2% of playstations market share. This is such a nothing story. Xbox outsold Playstation 4:1 in my household, make a thread on that cause my numbers are just as relevant. I don't like either console this gen, but come on, quit acting like these numbers mean anything. Nobody cares about France.

Talk about out of touch. How does a brand grow when it's 93:7, 89:11, etc? "Nobody cares about "x" region". Only problem with this? It's not that no one cares about those places – those places don't care about Xbox.

What's truly a nothing story? The 4:1 ratio of Xbox > PlayStation in your household.

 

[kikii]

I see that Bernd Lauert shitpost on every forum he goes to.

well same goes for adamsapple except adam is banned on every other forum ^^

 

[Mung]

If xbox go from 7 to 9 percent someone will spin and celebrate it as 'market growth' no doubt.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Xbox fans will say that France doesn't matter... Just like every other country doesn't matter...

It's embarassing at this point

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

Talk about out of touch. How does a brand grow when it's 93:7, 89:11, et? "Nobody cares about "x" region". Only problem with this? It's not that no one cares about those places – those places don't care about Xbox.

What's truly a nothing story? The 4:1 ratio of Xbox > PlayStation in your household.

It's better to have a little slice out of a big pie than a big slice out of a little pie. North America is where their bread is buttered. Tiny markets are not important unless you are fanning the flames of the console war.
You ask how does it grow? Well you tell me. If Xbox somehow sold another 700,000 units in France to make it 1:1 did that really change ANYTHING? Are they suddenly clawing back and changing minds? This is NOTHING. Xbox selling 1 million units in France wouldn't change a god damned thing.
Yes, Xbox is fucked. France doesn't change that.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

As a French man, I feel offended this is fucking hilarious hahaha.

But yeah, Xbox collapsed dramatically here. Xbox Vanilla was more than decent, 360 was huge, but since Kinect and Xbox One it all went downhill and as mentioned on another thread, it feels like they gave up. (That or they are very incompetent. Or maybe both who knows?)

Remember the Xboat stunt they pulled out for the ps3 launch? Hah! That was peak Xbox.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

If xbox go from 7 to 9 percent someone will spin and celebrate it as 'market growth' no doubt.

Yep. The Japan celebrations were real exposure for some folks. Let's you know that "Microsoft doesn't care about hardware" only exists because they're being slaughtered. Bottom dollar? They'd have the biggest bullhorn known to man if they were beating PlayStation.

 

[Toots]

If i were phil i'd say he extreme rarity of xbox consoles on the french soil make them akin to diamonds.

Plus Julien Chièze is the absolute worse all his insider news are shit, he wanted to be the french geoff keighley but no one likes him so do what you will of his shitty infos.

Anyway xbox has a tremendous advantage over playstation on this gen : you can play skate backward compatible and it's still to this day the bests sports game ever. But on the other hand you cannot play the best xbox360 game ever : way of the samurai 3...

 

[GHG]

It's better to have a little slice out of a big pie than a big slice out of a little pie. North America is where there bread is buttered. Tiny markets are not important unless you are fanning the flames of the console war.

Well that's pretty much the exact attitude that they've taken in a nutshell.

It's working out very well for them. Splendidly so.

 

[Lysandros]

Francophobia incoming in 3, 2, 1... Oh, it's already there.

 

[MisterXDTV]

It's better to have a little slice out of a big pie than a big slice out of a little pie. North America is where there bread is buttered. Tiny markets are not important unless you are fanning the flames of the console war.
You ask how does it grow? Well you tell me. If Xbox somehow sold 700,000 units in France to make it 1:1 did that really change ANYTHING?

Xbox sales suck in every country known to men.....

WAKE UP!

 

[HeWhoWalks]

It's better to have a little slice out of a big pie than a big slice out of a little pie. North America is where there bread is buttered. Tiny markets are not important unless you are fanning the flames of the console war.
You ask how does it grow? Well you tell me. If Xbox somehow sold and 700,000 units in France to make it 1:1 did that really change ANYTHING?

Sure, if you choose to continue buying property in LaLa Land. Xbox is being thrashed everywhere ...... INCLUDING North America. If it was all that mattered (which is complete bullshit), then we wouldn't have the industry we do today. Thankfully, that's not the case.

I'm honestly not sure what you are arguing, really.

 

[Mung]

Yep. The Japan celebrations were real exposure for some folks. Let's you know that "Microsoft doesn't care about hardware" only exists because they're being slaughtered. Bottom dollar? They'd have the biggest bullhorn known to man if they were beating PlayStation.

Yes like when the ceo was tweeting about US hardware sales two years ago. It suddenly mattered again for some reason. Now it's back to the new hot metrics for those with their finger on the pulse.. . Engagement, mau, revenue etc. Even subs are old news it seems now that they are far below expectations