Katatonic
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The amount of 3rd party games in my collection that aren't on Xbox is already huge.
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PlayStation 5 share in France vs Xbox reaches 93% vs 7%
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Of course it eats into their console business.
My friend just got ps5 because gt7. But he wouldn't do it ONLY for gt7. He did this because "oh well, I can also play bloodborne, tsushima, ragnarok and ff16 there".
And sony is removing these "oh well but I can also play there" games.
More and more pc players are willing to wait it out "ff 16 will be out on pc next year, so who cares"
StealthGoblin
Banned
And by that time there'll be death stranding, Spiderman 2, Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin etc
Sony have a good cadence on their treadmill.
They are doing gangbusters with sales of their console.
MasterCornholio
Member
I guess the biggest issue was that it was more difficult to produce the Series X which made it more difficult for them to increase production and to lower costs. Although their issue isn't with supply anymore which is a bad thing.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I am convinced sony is doing gangbusters because xbox sucks balls so hard, there are no balls left to suck.
In my opinion, it is undeniable FACT that they are destroying their exclusives library for cheap, short sighted questionable profit on pc.
Moridianae
Member
Phil Spencer Says Team Xbox Have a “Plan” to “Win” the Next Generation - ThisGenGaming
Following on from his one on one interview with IGN’s Ryan McCaffrey, Phil Spencer has now been a guest on IGN show Next-Gen Console Watch 2020. This is IGN’s show where they break down all the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X news and rumours. The video is just under 30 minutes long so it’s...thisgengaming.com
Whatever plan Phil had did not work. I wonder what's Microsoft's / Xbox's management thinking right now and what plans they will implement next.
Continue to attempt to buy out as many people as they can. I'm not being a smart-ass; it was literally in that whole court battle over ABK they approached everyone for a purchase, it seemed.
They'll keep trying to do that.
TheTony316
Member
No numbers but i bet it's the same in Germany.
Shakka43
Member
He's gonna drop down to sole owner of Microsoft now.phil is on thin ice
Pop
Member
Good get em out of here
Xbox should just publish games and bring their first parties to the competition
Deerock71
Member
They're going to purchase Japan.Phil Spencer Says Team Xbox Have a “Plan” to “Win” the Next Generation - ThisGenGaming
Following on from his one on one interview with IGN’s Ryan McCaffrey, Phil Spencer has now been a guest on IGN show Next-Gen Console Watch 2020. This is IGN’s show where they break down all the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X news and rumours. The video is just under 30 minutes long so it’s...
Whatever plan Phil had did not work. I wonder what's Microsoft's / Xbox's management thinking right now and what plans they will implement next.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Everybody could've seen it coming from a mile away.
This has been a point of discussion since mid last-gen, if not after the Xbone reveal.
But xbox fans and "platform-agnostics" were too busy accusing those predicting it of being fanboys.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
So Jimbo was so successful that nobody can find his body anymore
Ar¢tos
Member
Portugal is the same or worse, since MS decided Portugal was tier 2 for X1, most of the 360 owners (not that they were many) got angry and moved to ps4, and now to ps5 because of the digital library.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
I do believe all of those are from launch right? Since patches as of today I believe those videos are wrong. However I’m not saying it’s night and day I’m asking if things are basically even but a few games favor Xbox why the gulf in sales?
Aenima
Member
Thers not many number reports from Portugal, the last i saw was during PS4/XB1 gen and the split in Portugal was 14 to 1. So its identical to Spain. But Portugal and Spain always has been very Sonyland. Im more surprized by the France split, France always been Sonyland too, but at the begining of the gen most ppl expected xbox series to gain some market share, not lose it even more.
My guess is that despite they having a nice console with the Series X, they day 1 exclusives on PC made de console irrelevant.
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MasterCornholio
Member
I think your focusing on the wrong thing. Power isn't the reason why the PS5 is outselling Xbox. And the reason is because there isn't a big enough difference where people will really care about the specs.
tomato shrub
Member
Ridley Scott posts on GAF now?
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Something about Sony's marketshare in Portugal not many people know: It was the country where Playstation had the biggest marketshare worldwide before the Wii released.
Nintendo started to get some market with the Wii but even so, i still think Portugal is the only country in the world where the PS3 outsold the Wii and won that gen. That's how big Playstation has always been here. That's also why even if we're a small country we always get things first, like games are localized here for generations, PS Now was released here first with the first few european countries, etc... This is why Sony will always be ahead of MS. They care about smaller and bigger markets.
Xbox is irrelevant nowadays. Nintendo is as big as Sony in terms of physical sales. At least when i walk into any store you have the same space for both brands, which didn't happen 15 years ago.
sendit
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Lysandros
Member
Possibly. I heard he is quite bitter because his historically very accurate movie was received very poorly in France.
demented waffle
Member
Oof, even us PC players are cringing at that.
nial
Gold Member
Just so you know these "tiny" markets are a big part of why PS is such a powerhouse today, weird how you people STILL can't understand it.
TheGodfather07
Member
Microsoft could acquire earth, gather every PS5, send them all to another galaxy and they would still find a way of losing.
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yazenov
Gold Member
Imagine all those nut sucking and worshipping of Phil Spencer by the Xbox fans who think he is the savior of Xbox?
How the fuck do you go from 23% Xbox One to 7% for XBS? ( 70% decline) The decline is catastrophic by any matric used. And the Xbox One was considered a huge flop. The only reason the decline wasn't more was because the PS5 was sold out and hard to get for 2 and a half years after launch. It's only going downhill for Xbox as the time goes by.
Phil Spencer is a clown and nobody can divert the blame for this failure. He is the one responsible for this mess.
How the fuck do you go from 23% Xbox One to 7% for XBS? ( 70% decline) The decline is catastrophic by any matric used. And the Xbox One was considered a huge flop. The only reason the decline wasn't more was because the PS5 was sold out and hard to get for 2 and a half years after launch. It's only going downhill for Xbox as the time goes by.
Phil Spencer is a clown and nobody can divert the blame for this failure. He is the one responsible for this mess.
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
The major publishers who expect to sell millions of copies of a game on PS5 will of course support Xbox if they can still expect to sell hundreds of thousands of copies on Xbox.
It's the smaller publishers/developers who will sell only hundreds of thousands or even tens of thousands of copies of a new PS5 game that are going to drop Xbox first.
Zug
Member
Also, PS5s were pretty much unavailable for TWO years in France, nowhere to be seen in physical stores, and you had to buy them from scalpers or set some alerts on online vendors and be ready in the minute to click buy.
Meanwhile, Xbox Series have more or less always been available, so I wouldn't be surprised that half of this 7% is actually people that couldn't get their hands on a PS5 and still wanted some next gen games.
Meanwhile, Xbox Series have more or less always been available, so I wouldn't be surprised that half of this 7% is actually people that couldn't get their hands on a PS5 and still wanted some next gen games.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Well you are right. These are from launch.
Hogwarts is broken now with artifacts and more bugs post patching on xbox lol.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
Is this another thread where people act like this is news?
Mais naturellement!
Mais naturellement!
yazenov
Gold Member
The news here is the huge decline of 70% from 23% to 7% for Xbox from the last generation.
Xbox Series X/S along with Gamepass was supposed to change MS fortunes in the gaming market. All it did was made it much worse.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Does that really matter? I'm a PS and Switch owner and user, but like that doom and gloom over XBox is a bit exagerrated. They are fine. They are always going to be number 3 in sales but they have a strong userbase, Gamepass fucks over devs and publishers but it's a good deal for players and plus, thanks to themselves leaking their FTC papers, we know that they will go mobile only eventually and no that is not terrible at all. Mobiles can run fucking RE8 now.
They are aiming for the strongest market in terms of userbase but the games will keep on being quality and cutting edge no matter the platform. And fuck yeah at taking a shit while doing a quest in Elder Scrolls 6.
They know what they are doing. They are fine. And honestly, CoD, Diablo, Elder Scrolls, not you Starfield, Perfect Dark, Gears, Halo...They will make bank and you know it.
They are aiming for the strongest market in terms of userbase but the games will keep on being quality and cutting edge no matter the platform. And fuck yeah at taking a shit while doing a quest in Elder Scrolls 6.
They know what they are doing. They are fine. And honestly, CoD, Diablo, Elder Scrolls, not you Starfield, Perfect Dark, Gears, Halo...They will make bank and you know it.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
BbMajor7th
Member
I see what you did there.
Pelta88
Member
7%
Also proof that Phil has been blowing PR smoke for close to a decade...
2015
www.videogamer.com
Also proof that Phil has been blowing PR smoke for close to a decade...
2015
Microsoft: We need to do better in Europe
Spencer excited to show off "brand new games" at Gamescom, but wants to focus more on mainland Europe.
www.videogamer.com
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Daneel Elijah
Member
I can confirm. When I saw Sony conference in 2020, I was on vacation and decided to not preorder. Big mistake. I had to use some alerts and buy it at work. But I lost months.
Depends on your opinion in the matter. Is the doom and gloom over Xbox exagerated? Maybe. We got the same situation around not E3 at Neogaf, and a lot of threads talking about Xbox ending soon were made. Then E3 happened, and they had gone away for a few months. Now with Starfield not being GOAT, and Forza failing hard saleswise, they are just coming back. Around the PSVR2 launch, one poster was putting as many threads with bad news against it as possible. I didn't like it, but it was his right. i consider this the same, just more pronounced because the situation is a bit different. A bit of fun like the PS portal> Xbox in Spain should be seen as a funny occurence by everybody. Are Xbox fine? Not so sure. If they were, we would not be talking about sales, games reception, hardware strategies like we are now. Of course they are here for the long term, and got a huge boost with the ABK. But this won't change their problems, just help alleviate it. And yes, they will make bank. AKB, unless mismanaged, will continue to make them a lot of money in the next few years at least.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Microsoft need to do something drastic. If I was them I'd just write off a couple of billion and sell the console 100 dollars cheaper than ps5.
But, that's something they should have probably done at the start of the generation.
MasterCornholio
Member
They actually did have a subsidy. But it didn't really work out for them. Price was never the issue especially with the Series S.
Varteras
Member
The console market isn't contracting. It's just been growing very slowly by overall users. The reality is that having three very successful consoles in any given generation is not a norm. It's an exception. Far as I can tell, it only happened once during the Wii/PS3/360 generation (7th). If it happened any other time, it was as far back as before the original NES. As Xbox basically exists as a foil to PlayStation, instead of trying to innovate as Nintendo frequently does, it puts them in an unenviable position. One in which they HAVE to convince a very large portion of "traditional" console gamers, if not the majority, to buy their product instead of Sony's. They don't have the exclusives, hardware niche, or legacy of the other two.
The Xbox brand has a global image problem. A friend of mine put it this way: "Xbox feels soulless. Like, it's a brand built on money and checking boxes. Nintendo and PlayStation just feel like they're built different. Like, even if the same is true of them, they mask it well. Either they've fooled you into thinking creativity and passion is there, or it really is. Either way, Xbox is almost unapologetically robotic. Unless you're already deep in the brand, you just can't help but find them tasteless". This is a bit paraphrased but it's to the best of my recollection.
The Xbox brand has a global image problem. A friend of mine put it this way: "Xbox feels soulless. Like, it's a brand built on money and checking boxes. Nintendo and PlayStation just feel like they're built different. Like, even if the same is true of them, they mask it well. Either they've fooled you into thinking creativity and passion is there, or it really is. Either way, Xbox is almost unapologetically robotic. Unless you're already deep in the brand, you just can't help but find them tasteless". This is a bit paraphrased but it's to the best of my recollection.
systemr123
Banned
Probably because they can’t understand the complaints from the non English speaking countries
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Dick Jones
Gold Member
Bullshit. Scott Steiner told me different.
I mentioned that recently that Xbox publicly calling countries Tier 2 did untold damage.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
The last problem Xbox has right now is price.
Mahavastu
Member
That was the typical XSX Black Friday price for this week here in Germany.
We will see in a few weeks if this price could help or if nobody cares anyway
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StealthGoblin
Banned
Germany
Ahh wow. Looks like the PS4 had more growth based on that chart. Yikes.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
I believe that MS/Xbox is still in denial. Right along with some of their most die-hard Xbox fans. it's not going to hit them until 2025. Right now, MS believes that all they will have to do is put COD alongside everything in that recent acquisition on gamepass. So we need the next COD game to be day one on gamepass and only when that doesn't move the needle, will they accept that a total course correct is needed..Phil Spencer Says Team Xbox Have a “Plan” to “Win” the Next Generation - ThisGenGaming
Following on from his one on one interview with IGN’s Ryan McCaffrey, Phil Spencer has now been a guest on IGN show Next-Gen Console Watch 2020. This is IGN’s show where they break down all the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X news and rumours. The video is just under 30 minutes long so it’s...
Whatever plan Phil had did not work. I wonder what's Microsoft's / Xbox's management thinking right now and what plans they will implement next.
i mean they managed fuck-all to brew anything worthwhile with what they have for decades,
and their solution was gobbling up traditionally multi-plat publishers to lock stuff down.
(most probably jeopardizing their future in the process, for a subscription revolution pipe dream, which will never materialize.)
geez wonder where their image problem coming from?