IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Well, I guess Sony was hoping that they would get same amount of sales as Melee or Brawl did. It didn't even reach the goal that Sony expected it to be.
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PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale |OT| Use Supers to Smash your Bros!
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Well, I guess Sony was hoping that they would get same amount of sales as Melee or Brawl did. It didn't even reach the goal that Sony expected it to be.
TMaakkonen
Member
It would be pretty hilarious if they dared to bring 3rd inFamous character.
If I remember correctly Sora is owned by either Disney or SquareEnix. Yeaaaaaah.... Chance from getting anything from those two is probably less than getting Crash. Remember, it took 2 years to get FF costumes to LBP >_>
....And no random marketing characters thank you.
Canis lupus
Member
I want a 3D brawler next with proper UI, budget, marketing, everything.
Byronic Hero
Member
3D? Yuck. I say stick with the SSB format but just completely rip off the percentage system. Keep the supers as a means to do big damage, but make them harder to get. Ax some of the lesser known characters as well as the ones that don't fit.
That would be the perfect game.
TMaakkonen
Member
Why just percentage? Just throw everything in!
We can keep "All-Star move" mode where only supers kill, but we could easily add more.
Life mode, where we have certain amount of AP for health, and where supers only do somewhat damage instead of instant kills.
Capture the flag mode..... Somehow.
And King of the Hill, where you need to keep everyone away and remain in area the most as possible.
If I were developer I would make a poll and ask people serious question. Do they really want "Smash" mode? It would be so freaking obvious, but if its sth that people would want they should add it aswell for an option.
TMaakkonen
Member
And because I cant get enough of chatting about this game, I'll analyze character choices of this game. Ho ho hoo!
CHARACTERS THAT ARE GOOD AND SHOULD NOT BE DISSED AND IF SOMEONE DISSES THATS JUST NITPICKING:
Kratos
PaRappa
Sweet Tooth
Radec
Sly
Drake
Cole
Ratchet&Clank
Jak&Daxter
Heihachi
Nariko
Sackboy
Sir Daniel
Spike
Toro
Kat
CHARACTERS THAT HAD PROBLEMATIC INTODUCTION BUT COULD WORK IF THEY ARE SERIOUSLY FIXED
Fat Princess:
Hey Superbot & SSM, SHE IS NOT BIG ENOUGH. YOU DONT SEE JIGGLYPUFF ON COVER OF SMASH GAMES..... Just put her on sidelines and she is fine. Unlike this game where is in the fking cover... >_>
Evil Cole:
For the love of god. When designing menu, make Good Cole & Evil Cole share the same menu icon. BUT! You shouldnt be able to change between them ingame. They are different enough. They can keep their own stories etc, but make them share same menu icon. AND ACKNOWLIDGE THAT THEY ARE SAME CHARACTERS. Trust me on this...
Big Daddy:
Guilty pleasure of mine. If Smash had Snake, why cant All Stars have sth as weird as Big Daddy? And Big Daddy is one of the few marketing gimmicks that almost works. BD isnt as marketing character as New!Dante or Isaac. Also he really fits to be the tank of the game. It would also help to keep BD if you get "the legendary 4 obvious 3rd party characters".
Raiden:
I'll sum up Raiden's all problems in one word: SNAKE. Raiden is cool and all but he is not SNAKE. Get Snake, and you can keep Raiden. Keep just Raiden? And that would be just sad...
Zeus:
Antagonist of one of biggest PlayStation IP's? Sounds good. Only problem? HE IS THE ONLY 2nd REP(besides cheap slot Evil Cole). For sequel add Dr.Nefarious & Specter aswell as some other 2nd reps, and then we can tolerate Zeus.
CHARACTERS THAT CAN GET AXED. AND SCREW IT, THEY WILL NEVER BE TRUE VETERANS
New!Dante ( My personal nickname
)
Worst possible marketing character ever? Very unlikeable character. And NO, IT IS NOT JUST AN APPEREANCE THING. This Dante has all new moves, story, minion that DO NOT refer old DMC at all(expect one or two icons which is just sad). He is not Original Dante. He is the New!Dante (2013). Get him out of here. And character that represents future, isnt good if its a BAD FUTURE.
Emmett
Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaa.... Who asked for Emmett? NO ONE. Literally, I've seen old character request threads. Barely any if no one at all asked for Emmett. As for his gameplay style?.... No good. Remember Radec? People say he is just spam character. In reality Emmett takes the title of that. I see people in some places atleast trying to get comboes for Radec. But for Emmett? LOL nope. All good Emmett's just throw grenades & MAW blasts. Its just sad. Emmett might just be scrapping from barrel. In a bad way...
Isaac
Yeaaaaaaah... No... Not enough Playstation related or good enough as IP. Just not important. I guess he is best EA character? But that raises question. Do we need EA character?
And there we go. Any opinions anyone would like to add?
CHARACTERS THAT ARE GOOD AND SHOULD NOT BE DISSED AND IF SOMEONE DISSES THATS JUST NITPICKING:
Kratos
PaRappa
Sweet Tooth
Radec
Sly
Drake
Cole
Ratchet&Clank
Jak&Daxter
Heihachi
Nariko
Sackboy
Sir Daniel
Spike
Toro
Kat
CHARACTERS THAT HAD PROBLEMATIC INTODUCTION BUT COULD WORK IF THEY ARE SERIOUSLY FIXED
Fat Princess:
Hey Superbot & SSM, SHE IS NOT BIG ENOUGH. YOU DONT SEE JIGGLYPUFF ON COVER OF SMASH GAMES..... Just put her on sidelines and she is fine. Unlike this game where is in the fking cover... >_>
Evil Cole:
For the love of god. When designing menu, make Good Cole & Evil Cole share the same menu icon. BUT! You shouldnt be able to change between them ingame. They are different enough. They can keep their own stories etc, but make them share same menu icon. AND ACKNOWLIDGE THAT THEY ARE SAME CHARACTERS. Trust me on this...
Big Daddy:
Guilty pleasure of mine. If Smash had Snake, why cant All Stars have sth as weird as Big Daddy? And Big Daddy is one of the few marketing gimmicks that almost works. BD isnt as marketing character as New!Dante or Isaac. Also he really fits to be the tank of the game. It would also help to keep BD if you get "the legendary 4 obvious 3rd party characters".
Raiden:
I'll sum up Raiden's all problems in one word: SNAKE. Raiden is cool and all but he is not SNAKE. Get Snake, and you can keep Raiden. Keep just Raiden? And that would be just sad...
Zeus:
Antagonist of one of biggest PlayStation IP's? Sounds good. Only problem? HE IS THE ONLY 2nd REP(besides cheap slot Evil Cole). For sequel add Dr.Nefarious & Specter aswell as some other 2nd reps, and then we can tolerate Zeus.
CHARACTERS THAT CAN GET AXED. AND SCREW IT, THEY WILL NEVER BE TRUE VETERANS
New!Dante ( My personal nickname
)Worst possible marketing character ever? Very unlikeable character. And NO, IT IS NOT JUST AN APPEREANCE THING. This Dante has all new moves, story, minion that DO NOT refer old DMC at all(expect one or two icons which is just sad). He is not Original Dante. He is the New!Dante (2013). Get him out of here. And character that represents future, isnt good if its a BAD FUTURE.
Emmett
Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaa.... Who asked for Emmett? NO ONE. Literally, I've seen old character request threads. Barely any if no one at all asked for Emmett. As for his gameplay style?.... No good. Remember Radec? People say he is just spam character. In reality Emmett takes the title of that. I see people in some places atleast trying to get comboes for Radec. But for Emmett? LOL nope. All good Emmett's just throw grenades & MAW blasts. Its just sad. Emmett might just be scrapping from barrel. In a bad way...
Isaac
Yeaaaaaaah... No... Not enough Playstation related or good enough as IP. Just not important. I guess he is best EA character? But that raises question. Do we need EA character?
And there we go. Any opinions anyone would like to add?
PSAS is one of the few fighting games I've seen where I can actually say they all seem like decent choices (except the sole clone, Evil Cole. Just work him and Good Cole into one character). The worst ones I would say are those who are blatantly included for advertising purposes aka Big Daddy, Raiden, Zeus, Isaac, and Dante, but even then they are all pretty unique.
Still wish they hadn't been afraid to go with a few more nostalgia picks though, the only ones that really fit the bill were PaRappa and Sir Dan (and I guess Spike since pretty much none of his games after Ape Escape got released in America).
Still wish they hadn't been afraid to go with a few more nostalgia picks though, the only ones that really fit the bill were PaRappa and Sir Dan (and I guess Spike since pretty much none of his games after Ape Escape got released in America).
Byronic Hero
Member
I say keep New Dante. I like him more than OG Dante anyway.
New Dante should be confirmed by Capcom to be an alt. dimension Dante. Then DMC5 could have a Dante vs. Dante plot.
Byronic Hero
Member
That would actually be amazing. The diologue between the two pretty much writes itself.
TMaakkonen
Member
I agree, nostalgia characters would have been helpful.
And I still want Dante out... heck, I dont want original Dante that much either.
But if there wouldnt be New!Dante in this game.... Who would have been Nariko's rival? I cant think of anyone. :s
So for sequel, go for story mode and ignore arcade mode with rivals.
And I still want Dante out... heck, I dont want original Dante that much either.
But if there wouldnt be New!Dante in this game.... Who would have been Nariko's rival? I cant think of anyone. :s
So for sequel, go for story mode and ignore arcade mode with rivals.
beat
Member
Aren't Radec and [to some extent] Heihachi antagonists? (Heihachi only as far as any playable character in a fighting game can be, of course.) But definitely Radec's not on the 'good guys' side of Killzone.
TMaakkonen
Member
. . . Oops. I meant that Zeus is one of the only few 2nd reps, and I just suggested to add more 2nd reps. Antagonists in this case.
Radec is villain ofc. He just slipped from my mind since he isnt 2nd rep. . .
I don't see why they can't have both. A story mode for people who want to see more fleshed out interactions and then the standard arcade mode which features a series of "laddered" events culminating in a rival stage and final boss.
It would also be nice to see some nice extra modes like the fat princess tutorial where she ran around alden's tower getting cake. Could be cool if that was in there for everyone, like Nate finding treasure or Ratchet collecting bolts.
Randomly, I was thinking the other day about the Michael commercial. Wouldn't it be fun to have a "bar mode" where you select your character and you have different dialogue trees based on who happens into the bar that day. So random, but Nate hitting on Lightning is so gold.
Gosh a sequel could be so good!!!
TMaakkonen
Member
Sure, we can keep arcade mode. Just throw everything and the kitchensink. Honesty that should fix some of the problems.
Im just saying that creating rivals could be hard. ESPECIALLY if we cant get those 4 characters.
Im one of those who say: "New!Dante, GTFO". So now, who would be Nariko's rival?
And need we to say Isaac vs Zeus is bit farfetched.
Althou the rivalry that takes the cake on stupidy is Fat P vs EvilCole. They have hunger for sth and relate with colors of red & blue? My god, you could make anyone rival with anyone with those standards...
Oh, and I had this idea for menus, as they are terrible or what not. How about characters playing their own games? Like solo or multiplayer in same room. That could be neat.
Im just saying that creating rivals could be hard. ESPECIALLY if we cant get those 4 characters.
Im one of those who say: "New!Dante, GTFO". So now, who would be Nariko's rival?
And need we to say Isaac vs Zeus is bit farfetched.
Althou the rivalry that takes the cake on stupidy is Fat P vs EvilCole. They have hunger for sth and relate with colors of red & blue? My god, you could make anyone rival with anyone with those standards...
Oh, and I had this idea for menus, as they are terrible or what not. How about characters playing their own games? Like solo or multiplayer in same room. That could be neat.
TMaakkonen
Member
Elaborate please
Best explanation I could dig:
This as background but with everyone's games and some characters playing multiplayer. It could use footage from original games aswell for some easter egg fun.
So is anyone else not able to go online with this game? A buddy and I tried to hop into some online matches last night and we kept getting a message saying "You need to be signed in to PSN to play online" despite the fact that we were very clearly signed in. We were even able to play other games online like LittleBigPlanet, but no matter how many times we tried, All Stars would never work.
TMaakkonen
Member
Nope. Online worked fine. I have gotten plenty of matches.
So the season is about to end. They better deliver those titles.
I want my Golden God Title.
So the season is about to end. They better deliver those titles.
I want my Golden God Title.
A trick is to start party chat on the Vita - you don't have to be with anyone, but just be in a party. Connections work better.
Otherwise try opening these ports specifically on TCP/UDP in your router's port forwarding. 3478-3480 on the IP address stated in the Vita settings app (under network, network status).
Not sure otherwise.
Yup, foolishness. Actually would have rather not known based upon how things turned out.
TMaakkonen
Member
You know, if they are in so desperate of making money from this, we should do a fucking kickstarter for this.
I know this might not have anything to do with SSM, but Im really getting sick of them for not supporting All Stars. It hurts even more because they rather support their own GOW game. And need we not forget how their influence pretty much ruined this game.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Haha, I knew it that once the assets were moved to SSM and they would drop it like hot butter. Look like we supposed to have Abe, Dart and Gravity Rush stage. It's shame that they were dropped.
TMaakkonen
Member
So the only support that SSM did was small Zeus glitch fix after final Superbot work was done.
Man that makes me so sad, the game have so many wasted oportunities and I'm not even talking about Crash, Spyro or Cloud.
I wish they reboot the IP with a faster gameplay and smaller stages, that's one of the things I dislike a lot, stages are so big that most of the time is just getting thrown to the other side and run where the action is at.
I wish they reboot the IP with a faster gameplay and smaller stages, that's one of the things I dislike a lot, stages are so big that most of the time is just getting thrown to the other side and run where the action is at.
JStein0222
Member
So much disappointment.
On a side note I hope this game comes to gaikai streaming for the PS4
On a side note I hope this game comes to gaikai streaming for the PS4
JStein0222
Member
Still cannot believe they had the nerve to put Isaac in the game
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Okay, you still have Big Daddy from BioShock.
JStein0222
Member
I give some of the characters in the game a pass. But, if we're doing DLC it's just frustrating that we got a character that nobody requested and for good reason. I just don't think he belongs in a game called PlayStation All-Stars.
But I guess I'm wrong haha. And cheers to those that did want him or were super pleased with him. Must have been a sweet surprise.
The most disappointing thing to me I think is that this game might discourage developers from making more "brawler" type games. I wish there were more!
TMaakkonen
Member
Ok seriously, why dont we do a kickstarter so that they can get money to do something...
JStein0222
Member
Don't think we would raise much...Unless Mink, the late Corporate Cheerleader, SmithnCo and a few others are secretly very very wealthy.
TMaakkonen
Member
Not just GAF community... I mean the entire PS All-Stars community.
JStein0222
Member
I figured. I'm just hesitant to believe a kickstarter would motivate a studio like SSM to do anything when they're probably very busy on other, real big money, projects.
Nothing against them, I just can't convince myself enough money could be raised for it to make good business sense.
TMaakkonen
Member
Its not like it could hurt. You gotta believe!........... Bleh
PS All-Stars community is turning pretty depressing. :S
It'll be a year-old soon and new console hype is starting to butt in, plus there have been so many PS3 exclusives that've come or are coming to dethrone it.
It had its day in the sun with me, and I still play the trials on occasion when on the train.
And because I cant get enough of chatting about this game, I'll analyze character choices of this game. Ho ho hoo!
CHARACTERS THAT ARE GOOD AND SHOULD NOT BE DISSED AND IF SOMEONE DISSES THATS JUST NITPICKING:
Kratos
PaRappa
Sweet Tooth
Radec
Sly
Drake
Cole
Ratchet&Clank
Jak&Daxter
Heihachi
Nariko
Sackboy
Sir Daniel
Spike
Toro
Kat
CHARACTERS THAT HAD PROBLEMATIC INTODUCTION BUT COULD WORK IF THEY ARE SERIOUSLY FIXED
Fat Princess:
Hey Superbot & SSM, SHE IS NOT BIG ENOUGH. YOU DONT SEE JIGGLYPUFF ON COVER OF SMASH GAMES..... Just put her on sidelines and she is fine. Unlike this game where is in the fking cover... >_>
Evil Cole:
For the love of god. When designing menu, make Good Cole & Evil Cole share the same menu icon. BUT! You shouldnt be able to change between them ingame. They are different enough. They can keep their own stories etc, but make them share same menu icon. AND ACKNOWLIDGE THAT THEY ARE SAME CHARACTERS. Trust me on this...
Big Daddy:
Guilty pleasure of mine. If Smash had Snake, why cant All Stars have sth as weird as Big Daddy? And Big Daddy is one of the few marketing gimmicks that almost works. BD isnt as marketing character as New!Dante or Isaac. Also he really fits to be the tank of the game. It would also help to keep BD if you get "the legendary 4 obvious 3rd party characters".
Raiden:
I'll sum up Raiden's all problems in one word: SNAKE. Raiden is cool and all but he is not SNAKE. Get Snake, and you can keep Raiden. Keep just Raiden? And that would be just sad...
Zeus:
Antagonist of one of biggest PlayStation IP's? Sounds good. Only problem? HE IS THE ONLY 2nd REP(besides cheap slot Evil Cole). For sequel add Dr.Nefarious & Specter aswell as some other 2nd reps, and then we can tolerate Zeus.
CHARACTERS THAT CAN GET AXED. AND SCREW IT, THEY WILL NEVER BE TRUE VETERANS
New!Dante ( My personal nickname
Worst possible marketing character ever? Very unlikeable character. And NO, IT IS NOT JUST AN APPEREANCE THING. This Dante has all new moves, story, minion that DO NOT refer old DMC at all(expect one or two icons which is just sad). He is not Original Dante. He is the New!Dante (2013). Get him out of here. And character that represents future, isnt good if its a BAD FUTURE.
Emmett
Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaa.... Who asked for Emmett? NO ONE. Literally, I've seen old character request threads. Barely any if no one at all asked for Emmett. As for his gameplay style?.... No good. Remember Radec? People say he is just spam character. In reality Emmett takes the title of that. I see people in some places atleast trying to get comboes for Radec. But for Emmett? LOL nope. All good Emmett's just throw grenades & MAW blasts. Its just sad. Emmett might just be scrapping from barrel. In a bad way...
Isaac
Yeaaaaaaah... No... Not enough Playstation related or good enough as IP. Just not important. I guess he is best EA character? But that raises question. Do we need EA character?
And there we go. Any opinions anyone would like to add?
My thoughts:
Big Daddy can go and his moveset can go to Tiger Shark from Invizimals. Seriously they're pretty interchangeable; mascots/most "iconic" in their series, heavyweight type characters and water themed. Same thing with Fat Princess, she's there only as a PSN rep (and I'm sure there are others we can choose) and her moveset (basically just summons) could just go to someone else.
Zeus can GTFO. Ares would be a way better pick because he's pretty damn unique (how many depictions of Ares include crab claws and flaming beards?), because we can make Giant Enemy Crab Jokes and because if you're going to pick a villain from God of War, pick one that makes Kratos look less douche-y in comparison.
Emmet however can and should stay if purely because he's one of the more unique characters. His moveset isn't very interchangeable at all with many other characters, and he's a space cowboy and, seriously speaking, he doubles as a Warhawk/Starhawk rep and in terms of PS3 history Warhawk, Starhawk and Lightbox deserve something.
Isaac, Dante and Raiden I wouldn't mind but I also wouldn't miss their inclusions. I definitely think removing at least Dante to get rid of some of the stigma this game has would be a good idea and with Dead Space being killed off by EA Isaac probably wouldn't come back even if I wanted it.
As for Evil Cole, I'm okay with his inclusion as long as he is not the ONLY secondary rep. I don't see why everyone says they could Zelda/Sheik it; that works since we know they're both the same character but only Good Cole is canon out of the two and besides that, Cole doesn't change between Good and Evil skillsets in battle so it honestly doesn't make much sense.
I met a pretty great Emmett in 2v2 yesterday or the day before.
I bought two of the other costume packs (took a while to figure out which were copies of the pre-order stuff btw, too sneaky imo) and I'm just trying out Fat Princess's pirate costume.
You know the bopping. When you press down really fast. Hers is brilliant, her belly pops out. And when you do it really quick it's hilarious. That might happen with her normally, too, I haven't played her for ages and much at all. Also the fast ducking is awesome
Also Isaac's taunt with the big red sports fan finger that he uses to imitate a gun and you hear popping sounds ... that's class. Top notch work there.
I bought two of the other costume packs (took a while to figure out which were copies of the pre-order stuff btw, too sneaky imo) and I'm just trying out Fat Princess's pirate costume.
You know the bopping. When you press down really fast. Hers is brilliant, her belly pops out. And when you do it really quick it's hilarious. That might happen with her normally, too, I haven't played her for ages and much at all. Also the fast ducking is awesome
Also Isaac's taunt with the big red sports fan finger that he uses to imitate a gun and you hear popping sounds ... that's class. Top notch work there.
TMaakkonen
Member
Toro still has the best sitting animation.
I thought I might bring this to everyone's attention since no one seems to be talking about a whole lot.
Now the story is, some guy posted on a 4chan thread about trouble in PSASBR's development. I know 4chan isn't a reliable source of info, the original thread is dead and this is just an abridged version someone typed before the thread disappeared making it super suspicious. But I figured it would bring some interesting discussion here since it would be very scummy if true.
"Source" http://www.playstationallstarsarena.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1740&start=10#p40204
Now the story is, some guy posted on a 4chan thread about trouble in PSASBR's development. I know 4chan isn't a reliable source of info, the original thread is dead and this is just an abridged version someone typed before the thread disappeared making it super suspicious. But I figured it would bring some interesting discussion here since it would be very scummy if true.
(Also I have been going through this according to all available public info... and there is nothing that immediately disproves this; everything fits fairly well. If you want to see what I'm talking about, here's a thread with a timeline I'm currently compiling: http://www.playstationallstarsarena.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1749#p40358)
"Source" http://www.playstationallstarsarena.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1740&start=10#p40204
Napalm_Frank
Member
Some of that stuff sounds like bullshit to me.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Sounds very non Sony to me and I very much doubt Superbot would be ok with this. Also the pitch video we have seen and cocepts ect.
This sounds just silly. I can imagine Ueda being like ''costumes in a cute game? Cool''. Not ''lol you can choose ANY game where u want to use dem but can choose only ONE! Did I mention you own these characters lol?''
Also I do not believe every character was supposed to be free for 2 weeks. I think it makes sense for the first few to be so for early adopters and somewhat smallish roster at launch.