CompleteGlobalSaturation
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Built in batteries are awful.
Eneloops are king.
Eneloops are king.
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I wish all controllers used AA or AAA instead of having built in batteries.
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CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Built in batteries are objectively inferior from a capacity and longevity standpoint.
My 5 year old Eneloops last 4x as longer (in my Xbox PC controller) versus a normal PS5 controller.
Impotaku
Member
The major annoying thing about built in batteries is eventually it’s impossible to find official battery replacements. So you are left with knock off 3rd party Chinese shit that will either work ok or only last a week.
companies should at least allow you to buy official replacement parts off them but they would rather you just bought a whole new pad. Regular batteries offer way more pros than cons and least you don’t have to take a screwdriver to your pad to do it.
companies should at least allow you to buy official replacement parts off them but they would rather you just bought a whole new pad. Regular batteries offer way more pros than cons and least you don’t have to take a screwdriver to your pad to do it.
Nonehxc
Member
Because it's cool af. I like especially sony flopyp disk cameras and I love the grainy quality of photos. Different vibe.
I also have some digicamslate 90s/early 2000s that can capture nightvision pics in complete darkness. Examples below too
Just a bit of my "collection". It's few months old pic. it was meant to be only Floppy disk stuff but grew. I had to put breaks on it because I don't have room for this
Stuff goes from 0.3mp to 5mp
Rofif Sony Camerony confirmed.
coffinbirth
Member
Been rocking Eneloops since the 360.
Have bravely fought in every forum and comment section battle on the subject since.
Have bravely fought in every forum and comment section battle on the subject since.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
Sure, dude.
Watch out, iFixit, battery expert Double Clutch would like a word.
PlayStation DualSense Controller Battery
Replace a battery compatible with a PlayStation DualSense controller.www.ifixit.com
Yeah let me spend 1/3 of the controller’s price (or more) to replace a battery when I could’ve just spent $4 on rechargeables. You’re a genius!
Does the battery have UL approval? I don’t buy electronics, certainly not lithium batteries, without proper certifications. I don’t care what some random person on a forum says.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Yeah of course. But it ends up looking like film grain haha. It’s a very specific look.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
You were the one spazzing out about "muh knockoffs," mega mind. iFixit is not the only or cheapest provider of replacements. Nice shifting of the goal posts, though.
Can you point me to your UL-approved $4 pair of AA rechargeables w/charger? I'd really love to see that.
Trogdor1123
Member
Prefer built in myself. It’s nice to just toss it on a charger after each session and have no issues and never having to buy more batteries.
I don’t think removing the batteries will make the controllers cheaper either.
I don’t think removing the batteries will make the controllers cheaper either.
Itchy Tickles
Member
Yeah I remember the Quest 2 having good battery life, I was thinking more about controllers like the Dualsense etc They are obviously good examples that it can work, but if you look at what the Quest controls do vs a Dualsense with its lights, heavier rumble, microphone, speaker, headphone jack, touch pad, dpad, motion controls it does offer more while also using more power. Plus the Quest controller is split into 2 basically which would help, in theory.
Don't get me wrong, I never use the speaker or microphone or headphones jack, but the battery in the Dualsense only lasts for a couple of hours, but again, playing with it plugged in is no hassle.
As I've gotten older I actually can't remember the last time the battery died on me as i dont play long enough in 1 sitting for that to happen. When not in use though, I put the controller in its charging cradle and before that, just plugged it in while not in use.
graywolf323
Member
definitely agree this is the best approach, dunno why people want to use AA if they don’t have to but it is nice to have the option on the 8BitDo controllers to put some batteries in if needed
Hall effect would be nice but AA does NOT cut down on waste, you really think the majority of Xbox gamers use rechargeable batteries like people on here do? and there’s a reason Xbox sells battery packs, they make a ton of money off of those
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
I never said $4/battery with charger. But a charger is a cheap investment nonetheless.
You can buy 4 Eneloop AA batteries with charger, UL approved, made by Panasonic for $24 on Amazon right note. So $6 per battery with a charger that you can use for other batteries which do cost $2-4 each.
The only one who has moved goal posts is you. Why don’t you show me where I can buy an official lithium battery, or even an aftermarket one with the proper safety approvals in place?
Show me. Show me this affordability you’re speaking of.
All you have are petty insults and provocations.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
Well, you compared it to a $4 replacement, so you sound really ignorant when the best example you can actually find is $24. Rechargeable batteries are useless without a charger. Meanwhile, the LI battery can be recharged with the USB-C cable that came with the PS5.
Are you actually blind? The iFixit battery has the UL Recognized Component Mark staring you right in the face when you open the link. You literally can't miss it.
Do you have any idea what you're even talking about?
This is rich, considering that you're the one who started with the pissy language in the first place.
In your OP, you said:
To which I said:
And you've been a goal-post-moving, pissy little brat ever since. There is no reason to throw away a perfectly functioning controller that can be fixed with a simple battery replacement. What you said was demonstrably false, ignorant, and wasteful.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
It’s not as clear cut as you think it is. It comes down to so many circumstances.
That’s why I’m specifically talking about battery use in small electronics.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
Well, you compared it to a $4 replacement, so you sound really ignorant when the best example you can actually find is $24. Rechargeable batteries are useless without a charger. Meanwhile, the LI battery can be recharged with the USB-C cable that came with the PS5.
Are you actually blind? The iFixit battery has the UL Recognized Component Mark staring you right in the face when you open the link. You literally can't miss it.
Do you have any idea what you're even talking about?
This is rich, considering that you're the one who started with the pissy language in the first place.
In your OP, you said:
To which I said:
And you've been a goal-post-moving, pissy little brat ever since. There is no reason to throw away a perfectly functioning controller that can be fixed with a simple battery replacement. What you said was demonstrably false, ignorant, and wasteful.
Because you’re making a disingenuous comparison. It’s not a $23 battery. You get four Eneloops and they’re universal for use in countless devices.
I’ve never seen a backwards R U as UL approval so it sounds like BS to me. Search that up in their database and show me where it is.
If it was so good why did you have to replace it? What happens when you have to replace it again?
The fact of the matter is the same people who appreciate built in batteries, don’t appreciate taking apart a controller to replace it with a random aftermarket one.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
Bye troll. On to the ignore list you go.
I'm not sure what you're seeing in that presentation. It's showing that Li-ion has a better LCA (even in power tools) especially when you take long term emission in landfills in to account. Recycling you would get even better results for Li-Ion.
As I said the only thing that's worse about Li-Ion is if you only take toxicity of lithium when not recycling but NiMH heavy metals aren't great either. Especially when you take long term emissions in to account. When you do Li-Ion wins again.
(They've even taken into account disposal of "charger and pack" for Li-ion and used the zinc and copper toxicity of electronic circuits for it)
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DoubleClutch
Gold Member
I'm not sure what you're seeing in that presentation. It's showing that Li-ion has a better LCA (even in power tools) especially when you take long term emission in landfills in to account. Recycling you would get even better results for Li-Ion.
As I said the only thing that's worse about Li-Ion is if you only take toxicity of lithium when not recycling but NiMH heavy metals aren't great either. Especially when you take long term emissions in to account. When you do Li Ion wins again.
Yes, toxicity to humans and freshwater for one which you didn’t circle and skipped over.
Taking into account recycling, use case, lifespan, and all that is highly arbitrary. That’s why I’m just looking at the raw materials.
Though, I will say you’re generally not wrong and right on most accounts, just the metrics is what are highly arbitrary.
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I did circle humans and freshwater toxicity when you take long term emissions into account something the presentation was trying to highlight. The presentation is showing you exactly what I said to you from the beginning:
The presentation is showing exactly what I said with the added information that Li-ion is better there too if you take into account long term emission instead of short-term.
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Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
You're honestly wasting your time with this dimwit. He asked me for a UL-certified battery because after-market batteries must be "random" and "dangerous," I sent him one with the UL Recognized Component Mark, and then he acted as if I was lying because he had never seen the mark before.I did circle humans and freshwater toxicity when you take long term emissions into account something the presentation was trying to highlight. The presentation is showing you exactly what I said to you from the beginning:
The presentation is showing exactly what I said with the added information that Li-ion is better there too if you take into account long term emission instead of short-term.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
I did circle humans and freshwater toxicity when you take long term emissions into account something the presentation was trying to highlight. The presentation is showing you exactly what I said to you from the beginning:
The presentation is showing exactly what I said with the added information that Li-ion is better there too if you take into account long term emission instead of short-term.
That’s a lot of ifs. Look at the raw materials composition.
Paulistano
Member
I replaced mine with 503048 Li-Po Battery, they have the same capacity and the size fits I just used the original connector and the controllers are good as new.
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What about it? The "ifs" are worse on the NiMh and NiCd side. It would be "if" you don't recycle, "if" you assume short term only and the heavy metals don't get released, "If" you assume the charging circuit is not counted. This is all just based on one metric in the LCA too, toxicity. Every other LCA metric has Li Ion outperforming NiMh. Overall Li-Ion has a lower LCA no matter the use case, even in small electronics. Even more when you start to take into account the manufacturing of nickel-steel and brass housings of AA batteries vs built in.
radiant_ch
Member
I stand with you. It annoys the shit out of me.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Exactly. I’d much rather put a controller on a charger every now and then. I’m about ready to quit buying any toys without a rechargeable internal battery.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
I wouldn’t trust something that says “Liter Energy Battery”.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
You’re once again missing the raw materials and there’s so much misinformation out there.
Did you know you can put a NiMH battery in a passenger compartment on a vehicle, but you can’t a Lithium due to safety risks?
An arbitrary lifecycle analysis is only one side of the equation.
MrCunningham
Member
I have an 8BitDo SN30 pro + that has a removable rechargeable battery pack, and you can replace it with two AA batteries. It's pretty sweet to be honest.
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What? Likely because in a car crash a punctured lithium ion battery can be a fire risk. What has this got to do with environmental impact though?
Arbitrary? It's literally the scientific standard environmental impact analysis.
Omnipunctual Godot
Gold Member
The Pro 2 is an amazing controller. I wish I'd waited to get the Hall Effect version, but it's been great. I was worried about lag with a wireless (I use it for my MiSTer FPGA), but I can't feel any.
DoubleClutch
Gold Member
Somebody came up with assumptions, metrics, etc.. yes, It’s entirely arbitrary. Just like global warming and the worlds will end in 12 years.
Which battery contains less toxic metals? Which battery is more ethically mined? Which battery is safer in virtually all applications?
Unknown Soldier
Member
I guess it's insane to think people would rather use one-time disposable batteries that end up in landfills instead of rechargeable batteries which last the life of the controller
Do people wish for AAA batteries in cell phones too? What if electric cars also used disposable batteries?
Do people wish for AAA batteries in cell phones too? What if electric cars also used disposable batteries?
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thatJohann
Member
Ew no. So inconvenient.
David B
An Idiot
I don't have a problem with the in built batteries of Sony controllers at all. In fact, all of my PS3 controllers are still working, still charge up and than I can use them wirelessly. There's only one PS3 controller that no longer works after being charged. My blue one just says oh hey it's charging up. Left it in there for 2 hours or more. Nope, won't work, won't turn on, ok, well lets play some more of whatever. More charging of course. Still won't work wireless. Hmm. Oh well that's fine though because it will always work while wired in with the USB to USB micro or mini it is. So like whatever. I think batteries overall are just more of a pain and I just like to use my USB line more anyways as than I never have to buy any batteries ever for Xbox controllers either.
