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PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale |OT| Use Supers to Smash your Bros!
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Byronic Hero
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Man. That's nuts.
What sort of broad changes would you make to the game, or the sequel that will never happen?
I wish the game incorporate the smash style flight time modifier based on damage, but instead lessened the with the more AP you got . Maybe that is a really stupid idea, but it would keep opponents who were down on AP from being perpetual punching bags for some stupid combo that can not be escaped until AP burst, and create a more tension and opportunity cost for players as the AP was being generated, since someone getting good kits off on another might be then more vulnerable to a full combo in return, and it would equalize AP/super potential for both players while reducing proximity at the same time. This would also help eliminate juggle abuse by characters like Kratos.
In addition to that I would reduce the AP you get from combos in general if the game is to be so combo focused. Since many combos can not be escaped and have huge gains, again based off a very simple initiate. Having harsher AP combo decay in conjunction with the higher and higher AP requirements of level 2 and 3 and my idea for bounce decay would create situations where combos were necessary to efficiently unlocking your more powerful attacks, but would only be an option later into the fight. No more getting a huge lead in the level 1-2 range simply because you hit X and connected some time during the fight early on.
This would also help create a soft come back mechanic for players that are losing, as it would be easier to chain and combo a player with higher AP and they might be open to confirms off of lower level supers while the losing player is not.
Maybe I am completely off base.
Secondly, I do not really like hit confirms, since combos are so simple in this game some characters become ridiculously lethal at even level 1, since it just becomes a situation of someone having to hit one button to basically then have 100% chance of getting a kill. If you are going to have them, the initiate needs to be very obvious, like Raiden (who has a lot of them, but I digress). But then again I think the changes to bounce and AP generation would alter how strong hit confirms are in general.
So in summary
Part of the problem with the game is that the styles and tactics are very static from the beginning of the game to the end. I mean take a look at how this match starts out looking dynamic and exciting and kind of becomes Simon says by the end.
http://youtu.be/fZ_Xxl8CdjI
I wish the game incorporate the smash style flight time modifier based on damage, but instead lessened the with the more AP you got . Maybe that is a really stupid idea, but it would keep opponents who were down on AP from being perpetual punching bags for some stupid combo that can not be escaped until AP burst, and create a more tension and opportunity cost for players as the AP was being generated, since someone getting good kits off on another might be then more vulnerable to a full combo in return, and it would equalize AP/super potential for both players while reducing proximity at the same time. This would also help eliminate juggle abuse by characters like Kratos.
In addition to that I would reduce the AP you get from combos in general if the game is to be so combo focused. Since many combos can not be escaped and have huge gains, again based off a very simple initiate. Having harsher AP combo decay in conjunction with the higher and higher AP requirements of level 2 and 3 and my idea for bounce decay would create situations where combos were necessary to efficiently unlocking your more powerful attacks, but would only be an option later into the fight. No more getting a huge lead in the level 1-2 range simply because you hit X and connected some time during the fight early on.
This would also help create a soft come back mechanic for players that are losing, as it would be easier to chain and combo a player with higher AP and they might be open to confirms off of lower level supers while the losing player is not.
Maybe I am completely off base.
Secondly, I do not really like hit confirms, since combos are so simple in this game some characters become ridiculously lethal at even level 1, since it just becomes a situation of someone having to hit one button to basically then have 100% chance of getting a kill. If you are going to have them, the initiate needs to be very obvious, like Raiden (who has a lot of them, but I digress). But then again I think the changes to bounce and AP generation would alter how strong hit confirms are in general.
So in summary
- Bounce/air time modifier like Smash Brothers, but the more AP you have the less you bounce
- Heavier AP decay on combos
- Possibly less hit confirms, or hit confirms that only work when your opponent is in a certain AP level or environmental situation
Part of the problem with the game is that the styles and tactics are very static from the beginning of the game to the end. I mean take a look at how this match starts out looking dynamic and exciting and kind of becomes Simon says by the end.
http://youtu.be/fZ_Xxl8CdjI
I'd want to see the combo and hit confirm stuff dropped entirely. It just doesn't work in a game designed around four players duking it out. It should be more about knowing the characters' moves and using them in the right situation rather than repeating the same exact combo over and over to get maximum meter.
I seem to remember people hated the fact that SSB Brawl took out combos, but how combo oriented was Melee to begin with?
That is why I do not have much of a problem with Raidens confirms even though he has like a million of them. I feel like confirms sort of need to exist if only to actually close matches out.
That is why I do not have much of a problem with Raidens confirms even though he has like a million of them. I feel like confirms sort of need to exist if only to actually close matches out.
xKilltheMx
Member
fuck yes.
Byronic Hero
Member
I'm prepared for extreme disappointment, but if Jak gets a buff, I may download it again and keep it for more than a day this time.
Also, we may get some patch notes in the coming days after April Fools. Hey the last Jak game was announced on a April Fools '09. Memories.
Also, we may get some patch notes in the coming days after April Fools. Hey the last Jak game was announced on a April Fools '09. Memories.
I am hoping for some somewhat daring changes to the game as a whole. I mean, it is not as if there are a ton of people to piss off.
But I would settle for a truly balanced game based around the mechanics as they currently are.
I would be appreciative of even a noticeable improvement in overall balance.
Also the game plays much better with item spawn on high.
But I would settle for a truly balanced game based around the mechanics as they currently are.
I would be appreciative of even a noticeable improvement in overall balance.
Also the game plays much better with item spawn on high.
Just_Tank just posted some!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(In all seriousness, he did actually post this
Jonathan Outridge ‏@ItzKhknight 19h
@Just_Tank why no patch notes? That will make the wait less painful
Aaron Kaufman ‏@Just_Tank
@ItzKhknight Will post some up after April Fools is over
xKilltheMx
Member
Honestly I read the first one about kratos and my head almost fucking exploded.
My mind processed it as
Kratos can no longer block
Out of sheer survival instinct to stop brain for realizing the supposed true horror.
I am really excited about this patch, even if it is just an improvement.
Fake patch notes like this give me a good feel towards the idea that they understand the issues, re Kratos and Raiden.
Kratos can no longer block
Out of sheer survival instinct to stop brain for realizing the supposed true horror.
I am really excited about this patch, even if it is just an improvement.
Fake patch notes like this give me a good feel towards the idea that they understand the issues, re Kratos and Raiden.
LightofRohan
Member
Knack characterrr!!!! Wooo!
That actually was pretty good. (This is what we're talking about in case you didn't see it) Knack would definitely be an awesome choice for a sequel, in any case. I imagine him having a gimmick where he grows larger the closer he gets to Level 3, making him more powerful but easier to hit.
Unblockable means blockable right...>.<
Byronic Hero
Member
This is going to terrible when the actual patch notes are JUST as broken.Just_Tank just posted some!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(In all seriousness, he did actually post this
#1 defender
Member
Judging by the other stuff you lumped this in with you would regard this as a bad thing, but i'd applaud them for changing it back. The mini costume pack which includes her ninja skin is the only one i bought and half of the appeal for me was that hilariously goofy portrait of hers. I actually felt ripped off when they changed it later on.
Edit:
Wait a minute! Since when are the four 3rd party costumes from the preorder dlc on the store, and for free no less? I'm talking about these:
• Big Daddy Plushy costume.
• Coatless Dante costume.
• Mishima Coat costume.
• Blue Raiden costume.
https://store.sonyentertainmentnetw...pack/cid=EP9000-BCES01436_00-HEAVYHITTERS0001
They were left out of the big bundle costume bundle (likely too much of a mess splitting up the royalties between the IP owners), but i seem to remember them saying once that if these ever came they would be free. Did i miss an official announcement when they put these up? Anyway, that's great, these were my favorite alt costumes out of the initial batch, so i'm happy to have them.
Edit 2:
Oh wow, apparently the heavy hitters dlc dropped last august/september, i've been completely out of the loop.
http://community.us.playstation.com...itters-quot-Costumes-Now-on-PSN/td-p/41450445
If a sequel were to happen, Knack, and Iota would be perfect.
#1 defender
Member
+ Kutaro!
And take out a Cole and put in Delsin.
xKilltheMx
Member
Yeah actually I love cole, but delsin is a lot better for a fighting game.
jk here are some patch notes:
http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-All-Stars-Battle/Some-Patch-Notes-You-Say/m-p/43282782#M572658
I can see why he's not posting the full list until the patch comes out, everyone would go apeshit before they can actually test it for themselves. In any case, I don't understand much about frames, so the only thing I take away from these notes is that Toro can't keep jumping after getting hit in the air to extend his air sleep.
http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-All-Stars-Battle/Some-Patch-Notes-You-Say/m-p/43282782#M572658
I can see why he's not posting the full list until the patch comes out, everyone would go apeshit before they can actually test it for themselves. In any case, I don't understand much about frames, so the only thing I take away from these notes is that Toro can't keep jumping after getting hit in the air to extend his air sleep.
beat
Member
I think it's a good move to standardize throw and dodge timings as much as possible.
This seems like a pretty intense amount of work; it's pretty cool that SSM is paying for that much maintenance and post-release polish.
SSM will also be hosting a spring tournament series: http://www.levelup-series.com/playstation-all-stars-battle-royale-spring-tournament-at-the-runback/
Wow that sounds awesome. I'll try to download this again to see if I can back into it. Will still need to read the patch notes to see if they change it for the better and get rid of the current imbalances.
cool_trainer
Member
I went to super arcade to play when it was still on Wednesday Night Fights. I just happened to go the Wednesday they stopped having Playstation All Stars :,[
This makes me want to pick it up and play again though.
So the patch is coming June 25th.
I don't know why I care anyways, it will probably fuck the balance even more. I'd only care if they removed all the fucking hitconfirms in a game where they're not hitconfirms, they're fucking KILLconfirms. Where are the risks of using levels 1 instead of going for the supposedly safer 2 and 3? When you can spam ice bolts as Cole or forward square as Raiden (to name the two most retarded) with 0 punishement until you get the confirm and get an easy kill, why use anything other but guaranteed easy level 1 kills or characters that don't have this?
I swear to god Clockwork and Seth Killian worked as janitors at Superbot, because the amount of stupidity in terms of balance in this game seems to be done by monkeys, and they're allegedly "renown" fighting personalities. What a joke. The menus are fucking awful btw, they're the most offensive pile of vomit to ever come out the last generation and the two previous. Always good to remind this.
I don't know why I care anyways, it will probably fuck the balance even more. I'd only care if they removed all the fucking hitconfirms in a game where they're not hitconfirms, they're fucking KILLconfirms. Where are the risks of using levels 1 instead of going for the supposedly safer 2 and 3? When you can spam ice bolts as Cole or forward square as Raiden (to name the two most retarded) with 0 punishement until you get the confirm and get an easy kill, why use anything other but guaranteed easy level 1 kills or characters that don't have this?
I swear to god Clockwork and Seth Killian worked as janitors at Superbot, because the amount of stupidity in terms of balance in this game seems to be done by monkeys, and they're allegedly "renown" fighting personalities. What a joke. The menus are fucking awful btw, they're the most offensive pile of vomit to ever come out the last generation and the two previous. Always good to remind this.
The patch comes out next week.
As for the hit confirm thing, honestly I would love to see them all taken out. It's very easy to see how the supers were intended to be:
Level 1: Takes a little meter, but hard to land (See: PaRappa)
Level 2: Takes a lot of meter but is a more reliable option (See: Kratos)
Level 3: Takes full meter but ensures you'll get plenty of kills (See: Emmett)
...and yet none of the characters follow this blueprint exactly. You get braindead hit confirms into Level 1's, borderline useless Level 2's, and wildly unbalanced Level 3's that some characters have no choice but to go for and others who don't even need to consider them. If they fix anything in the patch it really had better be this.
Byronic Hero
Member
beat
Member
He's just being bitter.
More patch notes!!
The mine standardization means Isaac mine camping should be no more, I think. And the double-tap L2 thing basically confirms that Heihachi's charge will be nerfed (as it should have been in the first place), since allowing him to generate 100 AP anywhere would completely break the game.
EDIT: Wait, yes, he confirms that his charge is nerfed in #13. That's good.
The mine standardization means Isaac mine camping should be no more, I think. And the double-tap L2 thing basically confirms that Heihachi's charge will be nerfed (as it should have been in the first place), since allowing him to generate 100 AP anywhere would completely break the game.
EDIT: Wait, yes, he confirms that his charge is nerfed in #13. That's good.