Portugeezer
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Who at Sony saw Concord and thought "let's buy these guys"?
Fire that person.
Fire that person.
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PlayStation buys Firewalk Studios
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James Sawyer Ford
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DonF
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I have to agree. They had potential, but its a destiny clone, it feels like destiny crucible...without all the other parts of destiny. Also, it took me back to like 15 years ago, when all companies were looking for a "halo killer"
it feels like a decision made by a suit who plays no games.
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mayham2199
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If you don't like the game that's fine but it's a well made game and plays great. I'm sure they see that the devs are very talented and can make and release a game in a reasonable amount of time. Even if this game fails Sony probably saw them as at least a reliable studio for future projects if this one doesn't workout.
Shifty1897
Member
Bro 2 months ago you said this game would be successful.
Then one month ago you said "let's wait for the beta."
Now you're talking about closing the studio if the game flops.
Please acknowledge how far you've moved the goalposts.
Fbh
Gold Member
Yeah, part of what made Concord so interesting was that Sony had apparently seen something so good behind the scenes they decided to just straight up buy the studio.
Now we've seen it and it's just a Hero shooter with arguably some of worst visual design in the entire genre.
ChorizoPicozo
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Sony entered into a publishing agreement with Firewalk in April of 2021. This is less than a year after the release of Valorant. Two years later, Sony buys them for undisclosed money.
The game is competently made and there is a lot of potential for Firewalk, anyone writing them off based off what they've made here whether it be successful or otherwise, has a clear agenda.
Not all games are successful.
You can always tell people apart by whether they are process-oriented or results-oriented.
Will Concord likely have the result Sony hoped for? Probably not, but do they have the talent and capacity to create games that can be successful? Obviously.
You could literally have them work on a campaign mode for Marathon and most people would be happy.
The game is competently made and there is a lot of potential for Firewalk, anyone writing them off based off what they've made here whether it be successful or otherwise, has a clear agenda.
Not all games are successful.
You can always tell people apart by whether they are process-oriented or results-oriented.
Will Concord likely have the result Sony hoped for? Probably not, but do they have the talent and capacity to create games that can be successful? Obviously.
You could literally have them work on a campaign mode for Marathon and most people would be happy.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The current CEO.
Perrott
Member
Sony had agreed to fund and publish Firewalk's game back in 2018. They only disclosed such partnership in 2021, but SIE WWS/PS Studios has been with Firewalk from the very beginning, in fact, it was them that insisted on getting the studio separate offices from the other teams their previous owner, ProbablyMonsters, had in incubation.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I never said the game 100% would be successful. Post the receipts or GTFO
I just wasn’t automatically throwing it under the bus based purely on aesthetics.
I said it looked fun and could be successful. Being fun is one aspect of success, even if it doesn’t catch on commercially.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Where did you find this information?
Gojiira
Member
Honestly thats exactly what needs to happen, Marathon NEEDS a campaign, its a highly influential series and Sony is missing a trick not making it a tentpole FPS game for PS.
If the only way this happens is through Firewalk doing it then yes that needs to be it.
Gamer_By_Proxy
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I’m failing to see what’s so bad about it. I’m not a hero shooter guy or much of a PvP guy at all and I thought it was solid and pretty fun. 
Perrott
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
It was an example, but I don't think that's super likely given the time frame. Marathon comes out next summer.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I’m failing to see what’s so bad about it. I’m not a hero shooter guy or much of a PvP guy at all and I thought it was solid and pretty fun.
its not bad, just mid and looks like a knockoff of better things. that's worse than being bad.
Interfectum
Member
Fixed that for you.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
I mean two days ago he was claiming this game was receiving incredible word of mouth:
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
I think it does have generally positive word of mouth?
My issue is that there may not be much staying power. You brought up Halo Infinite, which is a good comparison
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
So was it Probably Monsters or Sony? It does seem a little unclear.
To me that reads like Probably Monsters was funding it, but they struck a deal with Sony early on to oversee and have first dibs on the project if it progressed well.
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clarky
Gold Member
Its not bad, its just not great either. It also has a lot of competition and most if it is free to play.I’m failing to see what’s so bad about it. I’m not a hero shooter guy or much of a PvP guy at all and I thought it was solid and pretty fun.
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ElCasual
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That person is already out, the name is Jim Ryan.
Kerotan
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Crucible might do well on destiny but the numbers playing it are massively boosted because many quests and progression systems require you to play crucible even if you don't want to.
It's fine for an hour here or there but it's the one aspect of destiny I get bored of quick. I'll be avoiding concord and keeping cod as my jump into for a quick shooter fix game.
Fbh
Gold Member
The thing is I'd sort of be the target audience for that, I spent most of my time in Destiny 1 in the Crucible. I like the idea of a standalone crucible where all the balancing and design is focused on PVP and I don't have to go grind PVE content to get competitive gear.
And yet I'm I'm still out because I don't like the Hero shooter approach and the visual design is incredibly off putting. Destiny might have looked a bit generic and derivative from Halo but overall it still had a cool pleasing look
I'd much rather play as a generic space marine
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than any of the bootleg Guardians of the Galaxy people in Concord
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Revolutionary
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Yeah, and they can rename the studio "Billions Wasted"
Gojiira
Member
clarky
Gold Member
?Yeah
Gojiira
Member
I know, highly unlikely sadly.
Im certain we’ll see a Marathon trilogy remake eventually though, if theres one franchise that has no business being a Extraction shooter its Marathon
clarky
Gold Member
I dont think Bungie has remade any of its titles and as they are rebooting Marathon as a hybrid Hero/Extraction shooter, id say chance of getting a remake of the trilogy are zero.I know, highly unlikely sadly.
Im certain we’ll see a Marathon trilogy remake eventually though, if theres one franchise that has no business being a Extraction shooter its Marathon
AltogetherAndrews
Member
Well, let’s see. Firewalk released one of, if not the most polished betas I’ve ever come across, the gameplay was rock solid, as was the overall build quality, and it had superb production values. Overall, clearly the work of a very competent group.
So, worst case scenario is that Concord fails to do wonders, and Sony still has a very competent developer in its stable.
Not that I’d expect the resident serial cucks to get that.
So, worst case scenario is that Concord fails to do wonders, and Sony still has a very competent developer in its stable.
Not that I’d expect the resident serial cucks to get that.
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vaibhavpisal
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This question has been lingering in my mind for a while.
Does polish make a game good?
Or is it something else?
AltogetherAndrews
Member
Being able to release a first publically playable build with this level of functional polish certainly speaks to the competence of the developer. Which was sort of the point of the post you quoted.
yurinka
Member
For the type of game that it is, there is only one big issue: due to wokism they avoided to include appealing and charismatic characters for the target user of the genre and instead focused to fill a DEI checklist. In a hero shooter to have characters very appealing for the shooter players is key.
Other than that, the game seems very well done: visuals are great, art, animations, cutscenes, music, audio design, gameplay, game design, general polish, bugs, performance, online, etc. has a very high level. The team has done a great job.
They just need to get rid of the DEI team, stop the woke bullshit and to stop working with people like Sweet Baby Inc, but that's more a Sony issue than a Firewalk issue.
I personally would also ask for a proper single player campaign and more single player content, but I understand that I'm not the average shooter player and that nowadays in shooters what works is the MP.
Yes, polish makes a game good. A polished game is obviously better than an unpolished, half baked, buggy game.
But obviously there are more things too.
Billions? Absolutely nothing leads to think they invested billions on it, even combining the budget and the studio acquisition.
It's also pretty dumb to talk about wasted money when they don't even have released their first game.
The head of PS Studios, who pretty likely had a bigger weight in the decision of the acquisition, was Hermen Hulst, now promoted to co-CEO.
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mayham2199
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There's no way they spent billions on firewalk studio.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Why stop at billions? "Trillions wasted" sounds better.
JCreasy
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
This game would struggle as a f2p game. It’s absurd that they think charging money for it is a good idea. Also absurd that someone at Sony was so impressed with it that they bought the whole studio. This game will be lucky to be as successful as suicide squad.
apocaliptic
Member
Now that we know it will be a flop, the question is how much money Sony wasted on the acquisition, the salaries of the 150+ employes, ads, the rent, tech, the pronouns and characters?
Angelcurio
Member
Another masterpiece, only from Hermen Hulst.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Hopefully they make a single player game next.
Hemingwayoffbase
Member
I honestly wonder if Concord was supposed to be a Guardians of the Galaxy hero shooter and they just lost the license or decided they could make it more generic and own the IP themselves.
It just looks like such a “we have Guardians of the Galaxy at home” game.
It just looks like such a “we have Guardians of the Galaxy at home” game.