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You are assuming how the majority are using this. And even if you are correct in how it is being used, you are also assuming that consumers don't value the additional flexibility even if that comes with disadvantages.
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Playstation Portal reviews
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You are assuming how the majority are using this. And even if you are correct in how it is being used, you are also assuming that consumers don't value the additional flexibility even if that comes with disadvantages.
PaintTinJr
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That's a fair point, but the same sub-group of my friends that are only guaranteed to buy Nintendo consoles every gen which I've been split screen gamin with for 20years - and all liked their WiiU - showed interest in my Portal/PS5 setup until it couldn't replicate the WiiU tablet experience, and I don't think they are outliers of the Portal's target audience, which is why I'm basing my assumption that long range offscreen play with compromises is inadequate to make the Portal super successful
FrankWza
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And there's always the possibility of the direct connection option being added down the road.
Gamerguy84
Member
I would be major disappointed in Sony if they didn't give this thing a lot more functionality than it has now.
Everything they put out is barebones and improves. It's how they do things.
Now this is out I'm going to hack my vita or sell it. It's an OLED. I have a PSTV to hack but I'm afraid the older games I want to run would look bad on a bigger 25 inch TV.
Everything they put out is barebones and improves. It's how they do things.
Now this is out I'm going to hack my vita or sell it. It's an OLED. I have a PSTV to hack but I'm afraid the older games I want to run would look bad on a bigger 25 inch TV.
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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That’s how I look at steam deck owners with 2 hours of battery life, no haptics and waiting 2 years for bad ports of quality PlayStation games.As an owner of a Steam Deck (and soon to be the OLED version) that does the same thing with my PS5 that a Portal will do, this is what I think of all portal owners:
Investor9872
Member
Which router system do you have that lets you have separate SSID like that? My Orbi doesn't let me have separate SSID, though there is one that is $1,500 that does. I don't want to get a Portal only for it to connect to the 2.4 GHz band since I have no control over where it will connect.
Investor9872
Member
You gave it a 7.5/10 and it still going back to Amazon? You're one hard man to please!
Sleepwalker
Member
Haha its a very good device, but I can't keep it due to the backlight bleed.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Zadom
Member
I have a TP-link AX11000 wireless router. It has separate 2.4 GHz band an two 5GHz bands and the Portal works perfect on it. I highly recommend it.
Gamerguy84
Member
I don't try to sell people on products. Having said that have you turned down the brightness of games (in the games menu) not on the Portal itself.
Also the HDR needs turned off PS5. I finally got the colors and brightness correct.
Sleepwalker
Member
I'll try mess with it tonight, dont believe I have turned off HDR.
THE DUCK
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Got mine today, played with it for 2-3 hours.
I was going to do short summary form, but it doesn't chronicle the journey and important points.
So took it out of the box, great packing, awesome feel, units feels premium. Usb c to c (vs a to c) cable and no charger is lame.
Didn't change any settings on ps5 at first.
It fired up, updated, took about 10 mins.
It brought up the code, I scanned it with the ps app, and it fired up first try.
Played a few games, wasn't really running that well in terms of lag/framerate. Screen color, contrast, and sharpness great overall. (More on movement later) As expected, the ergomincs and controls are amazing.
But to addres my isdues, went to ps5, turned off 120hz. Some improvement.
So it's running pretty good, but then I start a game and something happens, I end up having to reboot both the device and the ps5 to get them to reconnect. I do this a couple of times, load into that ps4 zombie game lol can't remove the name, it turns into a slide show. I can still control things but at 1 frame every 2 seconds. Reboot portal, no change.
So another reboot of ps5 later, I decide maybe some of these issues stem from cec controls being on still. I disable them. Reboot both again. Interesting, from this point, not only the problem goes away, I see another improvement. Now the lag is almost completely gone, like excellent. Frame rates looking good.
My only complaint left is the blurring I'm seeing on the screen that appears to be related to the lcd panel itself. (Mostly obvious when turning left or right fast, quick movement) It's not horrific, but it reminds me of a cheaper or older lcd tv.
I guess it could be the compression, but I don't think so based on my next test below.
So just to see, I fire up s23 ultra with the ps5 controller and remote play app. To my surprise, I'm getting a lag free experience here, and no screen blurring on turns. Like looking and playing amazing.
So where does that leave me? Not sure yet, maybe with the Steam Deck oled on the way I can divert to that, if I can get it to run like the andriod app with an oled phone. (That surprised me, in the past this didn't work as well for me)
But I can say this, it's the portal is an excellent device that I think will make most people happy. The 8" screen is absolute perfect size. Maybe they can iron out the quirks with resolutions, cec, etc, so you can have 2 profiles? Rebooting needed on ps5 side is a real problem if you are traveling. I would like keep my cec on and having to disable it is annoying. Also an oled version of this device would be even better.
My overall score in progress: 8.5
Reccomendation to buyers: Don't give up right away if not smooth.
I was going to do short summary form, but it doesn't chronicle the journey and important points.
So took it out of the box, great packing, awesome feel, units feels premium. Usb c to c (vs a to c) cable and no charger is lame.
Didn't change any settings on ps5 at first.
It fired up, updated, took about 10 mins.
It brought up the code, I scanned it with the ps app, and it fired up first try.
Played a few games, wasn't really running that well in terms of lag/framerate. Screen color, contrast, and sharpness great overall. (More on movement later) As expected, the ergomincs and controls are amazing.
But to addres my isdues, went to ps5, turned off 120hz. Some improvement.
So it's running pretty good, but then I start a game and something happens, I end up having to reboot both the device and the ps5 to get them to reconnect. I do this a couple of times, load into that ps4 zombie game lol can't remove the name, it turns into a slide show. I can still control things but at 1 frame every 2 seconds. Reboot portal, no change.
So another reboot of ps5 later, I decide maybe some of these issues stem from cec controls being on still. I disable them. Reboot both again. Interesting, from this point, not only the problem goes away, I see another improvement. Now the lag is almost completely gone, like excellent. Frame rates looking good.
My only complaint left is the blurring I'm seeing on the screen that appears to be related to the lcd panel itself. (Mostly obvious when turning left or right fast, quick movement) It's not horrific, but it reminds me of a cheaper or older lcd tv.
I guess it could be the compression, but I don't think so based on my next test below.
So just to see, I fire up s23 ultra with the ps5 controller and remote play app. To my surprise, I'm getting a lag free experience here, and no screen blurring on turns. Like looking and playing amazing.
So where does that leave me? Not sure yet, maybe with the Steam Deck oled on the way I can divert to that, if I can get it to run like the andriod app with an oled phone. (That surprised me, in the past this didn't work as well for me)
But I can say this, it's the portal is an excellent device that I think will make most people happy. The 8" screen is absolute perfect size. Maybe they can iron out the quirks with resolutions, cec, etc, so you can have 2 profiles? Rebooting needed on ps5 side is a real problem if you are traveling. I would like keep my cec on and having to disable it is annoying. Also an oled version of this device would be even better.
My overall score in progress: 8.5
Reccomendation to buyers: Don't give up right away if not smooth.
Gamerguy84
Member
Yea I had way too much backbleed coming through. I turned brightness down on portal slider and it was still visible.
Went into game menu itself and turned down brightness and some contrast then went to the console and turned off HDR and it looks good now.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Sounds crazy. It’s been seamless for me but I was already using remote play pretty often so I knew what to expect. I just have 300mb and an Eero mesh WiFi.
Gamerguy84
Member
Also if you didn't watch the Linus video set your system preference to pick 60fps over 30. Performance instead of quality. It will cut the lag. I always run everything on performance anyway.
THE DUCK
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I also did make sure I was on performance for every game, though that's where I normally play anyhow.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Yeah i played a good 4 hours of cod mw3 zombies in bed on a sunday. 100 km away from my ps5.
The dual sense rumble and haptic triggers is just insane and i had zero hitches it looked sharp. What shocked me was that i didnt need to attach it to any power outlet.(like my steam deck i basically always play wired)
First time i ever enjoyed playing cod on an handheld.
This handheld does one thing really good.
I tried streaming on my ipad and macbook with the dual sense controller. And those two options are way worse and not handheld like.
the portal also feels way more premium then 200 bucks.. and better then my steam deck does at 650.
Anyway buy this thing if you enjoy playing ps5 games anywhere you go!
The dual sense rumble and haptic triggers is just insane and i had zero hitches it looked sharp. What shocked me was that i didnt need to attach it to any power outlet.(like my steam deck i basically always play wired)
First time i ever enjoyed playing cod on an handheld.
This handheld does one thing really good.
I tried streaming on my ipad and macbook with the dual sense controller. And those two options are way worse and not handheld like.
the portal also feels way more premium then 200 bucks.. and better then my steam deck does at 650.
Anyway buy this thing if you enjoy playing ps5 games anywhere you go!
skit_data
Member
Not sure which one I had then but the new one I have works the same way and it's a Sagemcom f@st 5359 that was provided by my ISP.
Edit: Checking just now my new router doesn't actually work in the same way the old one did. Now it seems to default to 5ghz whereas my old one had pretty much two separate wifi connection points that showed up on my phone.
Also found my old router model, it was a Sagemcom f@st 3836 v3
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HerjansEagleFeeder
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Not sure by which criteria you'd deem the Nintendo option as better per se, but I'd certaintly appreciate a mobile ecosystem that has a library akin to that of the Vita, maybe even with less trash software than there is in the eShop.
Zuzu
Member
Yep, the Wii U gamepad has a range of 8 metres or 24 feet for best performance. You can’t take it away from the house and play it. It also has a 480p screen. So it is more limited than the Portal in some ways, though the lag when playing it in the house near the Wii U is better than what the Portal can do.
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Dr.Morris79
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Still more useful than a Portal
midnightAI
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Still more useful than a Portal
Dr.Morris79
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THE DUCK
voted poster of the decade by bots
Still more useful than a Portal
I take it you don't own one.
THE DUCK
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Forgot touch on 2 other things:
It's kind of awkward in terms of storage, a case is kind of needed, I can see this getting broken easily.
Audio: it's ok, bit thin. It's too bad they didn't get the speakers forward facing. Try cupping you hands around the speakers towards you and hear a huge difference. Someone with a 3d printer might be able to make something to attach that would work. If they hadn't crippled bluetooth on purpose headphones would br easier too. Not deal breakers, just nit picking.
It's kind of awkward in terms of storage, a case is kind of needed, I can see this getting broken easily.
Audio: it's ok, bit thin. It's too bad they didn't get the speakers forward facing. Try cupping you hands around the speakers towards you and hear a huge difference. Someone with a 3d printer might be able to make something to attach that would work. If they hadn't crippled bluetooth on purpose headphones would br easier too. Not deal breakers, just nit picking.
Zathalus
Member
Got to say I agree with basically everything he said. The lack of bluetooth is just a dick move from Sony though.
PaintTinJr
Member
I'm not giving him a view, but no one technical would make such a poor argument when bluetooth operates in the same unlicensed spectrum as WiFi and disproportionately interferes with 2.4Ghz WiFi - which is the most common - because of its shorter range design giving it greater consistent signal to noise ratios at closer proximity - like headphones to Portal would be - so it would increase error rates for many users and would massively drain battery power to maintain both WiFi and bluetooth connections on the Portal.
Using the portal with wired phones or specialised buds that can work in the unlicensed spectrum in a controlled .complimentary, non-interference destructive way is just such an obvious choice, and an obvious solution where the design is from necessity.
Linus not understanding such an obvious thing is a bit of a surprise.
PaintTinJr
Member
I'm not sure if anyone else has been unfortunate enough to have someone in their household drop test the device on a hard surface - from about 3ft up - but mine has come through unscathed. Impact sounded a little more thud than the WiiU tablet controller despite the Portal seeming lighter, but if it was a drop test review, that would be a good pass in unfavourable conditions IMO.
demigod
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I don’t know why anyone would give these clowns clicks.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Do I need to then? Is that the requisite to know it's a shitty product?
If that's the case it's no wonder the gaming scene is getting as shitty as it is.
PaintTinJr
Member
I agree about the case, or maybe a dock for storing it safely.
My only major gripe, beyond the lack of short range WiiU tablet experience out of the box by default is that the profile system is just a continuation of the PS App, which is useless for letting my youngest - that I don't want to give her a PSN profile, yet as a proper safe guard - the ability to just make the connection and use her local PS5 profile, rather than let her use mine or mine, or her mum's hardly used , unrestricted profiles, and in the latter case go through ball ache switching to my better half's profile and then back to mine, later, and I'm still not sure if you can smartphone lock the device should it get lost when out and about
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PaintTinJr
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The tactile nature of the device's sales pitch and the tactile enhancement of the dualsense features over every other solution substitute means you are going to miss at least 50% of the device's sales pitch IMO without owning or trying one for a prolonged period.
How much is Sony paying you?
Don't tell me anything otherwise it would be pretty stupid this behaviour.
Senua
Member
You're quite insane, me lad
Nankatsu
Member
The more I use the device the more I like it. It's just comfy as fuck to be able to game on my couch and keep my family company at the same time.
I'm finding myself gaming on the TV only on weekends, and gaming on the Portal during the week.
My only grip for now is the device constantly prompting the need to setup HDR settings if my TV is off, but I'm sure they can fix that with a software update eventually (or an OLED version most likely).
I'm finding myself gaming on the TV only on weekends, and gaming on the Portal during the week.
My only grip for now is the device constantly prompting the need to setup HDR settings if my TV is off, but I'm sure they can fix that with a software update eventually (or an OLED version most likely).
PaintTinJr
Member
The only thing stupid is Linus not understanding the design and you defending him. Some of us did actually read for degrees in such subjects when these technologies were in their infancy and have had years of first hand experience with the challenges. The WiiU tablet controller doesn't provide bluetooth headphones support for the same reason, and works outside the IEEE wifi standards to provide an effective VLAN for the controller and console so they predictably ignore all other wifi traffic pre-emptively.
Feel free to educate yourself and then take a blank sheet of paper to design a Portal with battery life, device weight and quality audio for audiophiles as primary concerns and explain how you fitted generic laggy bluetooth into the solution.
TrebleShot
Member
Yeah its a great device, needs a couple of updates.
Interesting in the LTT video he says that it has BT hardware apparently in the wifi chip???
So could be a switch style update later down the line to include BT once sales of the link buds have sold through.
Was clearing the map in SM2 last night in bed and it was so much more comfortable than my steam deck or backbone.
So this represents a brand new issue, first world problems but I was beginning to sway more to buying games on PC for Steam deck and higher frames but now I'm thinking of going more PS5 focused again as the Portal with trophies, ease of use and dualsense its making me swing back over.
Cross save needs to be a thing as standard.
Interesting in the LTT video he says that it has BT hardware apparently in the wifi chip???
So could be a switch style update later down the line to include BT once sales of the link buds have sold through.
Was clearing the map in SM2 last night in bed and it was so much more comfortable than my steam deck or backbone.
So this represents a brand new issue, first world problems but I was beginning to sway more to buying games on PC for Steam deck and higher frames but now I'm thinking of going more PS5 focused again as the Portal with trophies, ease of use and dualsense its making me swing back over.
Cross save needs to be a thing as standard.
PaintTinJr
Member
WiFi and Bluetooth share a lot of common hardware technologies, and for cheapness many wifi chipsets also support bluetooth whether it is provided in the software solution or not. But the linkbuds will piggyback the bluetooth hardware like the WiiU controller uses the generic wifi hardware in a proprietary way. Wifi hardware being present in the WiiU controller didn't mean they ever updated the software for it to support in-direct router relayed connections to the WiiU - like how the portal works with the PS5 - so I wouldn't expect bluetooth support for the portal to be coming when it comes at the risk of making the lag and glitching of the gaming worse.
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
Scalpers found it too in Holland. They're the cancer of modern day Capitalism.
Selling for 300+.... I hope it becomes widely available within days just to see them selling under listing price....
One can dream..
Selling for 300+.... I hope it becomes widely available within days just to see them selling under listing price....
One can dream..
PaintTinJr
Member
Or you could go research high bandwidth isochronous data traffic, and understand why it is far more sensitive to interference errors than most situations where you can either forward error correct - due to low bandwidth data - or you will be unaffected by interference errors because the traffic isn't actually isochronous and can be buffered to hide bursts of lost or late packets.
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MonkeyClaw36
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*Pats on the head* It's ok if you don't understand little Timmy.... But please, shut up. Your lack of knowledge is replaced by utter bias and ignorance. Congrats on shitting in your own backyard. Quite the accomplishment.
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FrankWza
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Did people complain this much about the Switch not having Bluetooth?
Zathalus
Member
The custom audio solution that Sony is using (PlayStation Link) is almost certainly going to be over the 2.4Ghz band as well and I don't see it being any better on battery life then Bluetooth is, which is not that much as the drain on battery from maintaining an active Bluetooth connection is tiny. That being said most users should connect over 5Ghz for WiFi as that would offer a much better experience then 2.4Ghz, in addition Sony can just offer the option with a warning message so the consumer is informed of any issues that might arise from Bluetooth and 2.4Ghz WiFi interference.
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64bitbros
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So you come in this thread about a device you have no interest in and start arguing with people that do, and shitposting while not have any first hand experience.... and then have the gall to wonder why the gaming scene is getting shitty? How about looking in the mirror bud.
FrankWza
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I think we're overdue for an OT. Not that it's an excuse but this is a review thread. Anyone want to volunteer?
Zheph
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I might do it for the sake of some people sanity
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