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Plea from a hell of a classroom

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goodcow

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http://www.nydailynews.com/

Plea from a hell of a classroom
BY JOE WILLIAMS
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, February 9th, 2005

Somebody help!
A desperate Bronx teacher fired off an anonymous letter to the City Council describing hellish conditions at a violent middle school.

"Words cannot describe the nonsense and abuse that has to be put up with to just stand in these classes," the exasperated teacher wrote. "Forget about teaching."

The short but startling letter - read aloud during a two-day city hearing on student safety - reveals how unruly kids make it impossible for other children to learn.

In her plea for help, the teacher recounted a recent day when she spent an entire 45-minute class trying to gain control of misbehaving kids.

She told the Council a berserk boy "the size of an overweight man" grabbed a large ruler off her desk and ran around the classroom refusing to give it back. He ended up hiding it in his pants "so I could not get it," she said.

Another student took off his pants - he was wearing shorts underneath - and "proceeded to apply cream to his arms and legs for the entire period."

"He also managed to throw a soda bottle across the room three times, just missing me on one of those occasions," she wrote.

After a particularly violent day, the teacher was forced to call 35 to 40 parents to complain about their kids' behavior.

"Can you imagine that many students acting inappropriately in one day, in one subject class?" she wrote.

Feeling helpless, the teacher said she tried repeatedly to call the dean's office, only to get no help. "I am so fed up with this place," she fumed.

Her misery is not unique.

"It just encapsulates what teachers all over the city have told me," said City Councilwoman Eva Moskowitz (D-Manhattan), chairwoman of the Education Committee.

Moskowitz said the hearings, which ended yesterday, were held because of complaints from teachers who cited violence as a big reason they leave their jobs.

The hearings investigated whether get-tough discipline policies started by school officials are making a difference in classrooms. Parents, teachers and students repeatedly complained that city educrats do not know how to deal with out-of-control classrooms.

Adding to that perception, school officials announced yesterday that they will combat bullying by creating five days of "interactive theater instruction" for 5,000 kids this month.

Moskowitz dismissed the idea, saying "putting on plays about bullying would not be at the top of my list" of ways to deal with school rowdies.

School safety czar Rose Albanese DePinto offered parents and students little hope. She said she believes city classrooms will never be completely safe despite attempts to enforce a strict code of discipline.

"We will never see the day when school safety and student discipline is no longer an issue," DePinto said."
 

speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
This is the prime example why we need more Eikichi Onizuka's!!!

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"Someone need a teacher? BANZAI"

Bring back the cane and whip I say.
 

shuri

Banned
You need to break their spirits. Give them copies to do, or force them to stay in detention, kick them out of the class, or get security to do it for you. Get them expelled from school
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Naked Shuriken said:
You need to break their spirits. Give them copies to do, or force them to stay in detention, kick them out of the class, or get security to do it for you. Get them expelled from school

I am sure that will break their spirits... "copy this!" "f*ck you! come and get the ruler baby!!"

You need old school methods... nice leather strap, or wooden paddle...
 

belgurdo

Banned
Brooklyn needs more Joe "using illegal practices and screwing over my employees are okay as long as it works!" Clark
 

DonasaurusRex

Online Ho Champ
Sounds like a job for crazy Joe Clark, get em all up on a stage and expell them. Sounds like these kids need some serious parental guidance before the police give it to them eventually, and they dont give a shit they will own your ass.
 

Brannon

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Remember that time when the snap of a 90-lb teacher's fingers would get an entire classroom full of thugs and football players to shut up and say "yes ma'am"?

Now remember the time lots of parents started taking up attachment/permissive/timeout parenting and never saying "no" because it might hurt their kids' feelings?

Yeah, those kids grew up a little and now are the same hellspawns in highschool that they were in the house. Congratulations parents, there is your legacy.
 

Crow

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Naked Shuriken said:
You need to break their spirits. Give them copies to do, or force them to stay in detention, kick them out of the class, or get security to do it for you. Get them expelled from school


My mums a teacher so I hear about student behaviour allllllll the time. Seriously, you can't break their spirit. What happens is their parents come marching into the school and in their infinite wisdom declare their son/daughter has the right to visit the toilets ever 5 minutes, or their son/daughter has the right to apply sunscreen in class.

"It's not poor unfortunate Jimmys fault he has ADD, he really is a little angel underneath."

Problem is that every kid knows his/her rights these days and they exploit them without fail. In fact, the kids have more rights then the teacher. I'm not talking about limiting the rights of the students, i'm talking about increasing the rights of the teacher.
 

speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
DJ Brannon said:
Remember that time when the snap of a 90-lb teacher's fingers would get an entire classroom full of thugs and football players to shut up and say "yes ma'am"?

Now remember the time lots of parents started taking up attachment/permissive/timeout parenting and never saying "no" because it might hurt their kids' feelings?

Yeah, those kids grew up a little and now are the same hellspawns in highschool that they were in the house. Congratulations parents, there is your legacy.
So true on every level. The media should be blaming the parents, not the fucking games or movies/TV or music.
 

RevenantKioku

PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
speedpop said:
So true on every level. The media should be blaming the parents, not the fucking games or movies/TV or music.

You can't blame people. You might hurt their feelings.
 

Brannon

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Crow said:
My mums a teacher so I hear about student behaviour allllllll the time. Seriously, you can't break their spirit. What happens is their parents come marching into the school and in their infinite wisdom declare their son/daughter has the right to visit the toilets ever 5 minutes, or their son/daughter has the right to apply sunscreen in class.

"It's not poor unfortunate Jimmys fault he has ADD, he really is a little angel underneath."

Exactly my point. Also, parents used to help teachers all the time, now they're at war with them. And along with unruly children who don't know the meaning of discipline, the teachers' limits against disciplining them, and the No Child Left Behind act, how do teachers ever get their job done?
 

Brannon

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Nah, a sawed-off .50 caliber machine gun strapped to his wrist would get the job done much better. Each punch would deliver fiery educationy wrath.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
This is just the society that breeds these fucking annoying brats.

I was at Target yesterday as some little girl, no older than 11 (if that!), blasted her mom about getting her a bigger cup for her Slurpee. Like, yelling at her and everything. I had to try and not laugh at both of them.

Man, if I pulled that shit with my mom, I'd get straight backhand.
 
DJ Brannon said:
Exactly my point. Also, parents used to help teachers all the time, now they're at war with them. And along with unruly children who don't know the meaning of discipline, the teachers' limits against disciplining them, and the No Child Left Behind act, how do teachers ever get their job done?

My brother and sister in law are teachers. They teach in an upper middle class to weathly neiborhood. They get parents threatening with LAYWERS. He required assignments to be done in INK ONLY. Well, after refusing to accept a students homework done in pencil he got a call form that kids attourney. WTF? Laywer said he had to provide valid reasons to not accept a pencil assignment, otherwise expect to show up in court. My brother said "its hard to read, it smugdges. Use white out, thats ok" He tried to fight it, but the school told him to back down and he had to accept assignments in pencil. What the fuck kinda message is this sending our kids?

It gets better. He moved to another school, and there he teaches AP Comp Sci. Anyway, after giving a girl a D on her midter he got an angry call from her dad. "My daughter is a master of Word and Excel. THERE IS NO WAY SHOULD COULD GET A D IN COMPSCI!!!!!!"

my brother tired to explain there is a huge differecen between Java (what his curricular is, he is SUN certified) and Word. He attempted to explain it was Comp SCIENCE, not Computer USAGE. the father had none of it. I think he was able to stand stong on that one. He's not one to back down :D
 

Tazznum1

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Many teachers can't teach nowadays either. I have been to 12 different schools in a couple of states in my years and I can tell you the quality of teachers were on the skids when I was in 12th grade. I can't imagine it now. The student can't be a student when they know more than the damn teacher.
 

Minotauro

Finds Purchase on Dog Nutz
The only solution:

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In all seriousness, I think a lot of the problems in schools today are really overexaggerated. My mom is a teacher and while she certainly has a problem with various students and/or their parents, it's nowhere near as bad as most people think.
 

Brannon

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I wouldn't be surprised at the decline. Many of the best teachers said 'fuck it' a long time ago and went to the greener pastures of private schooling or college profession. To the few good ones that are left in public, they're better people than me; I'd've quit.

It just doesn't make any sense. These people are the ones that are trying open their kids' eyes to the real world so they can adapt and become successful enough to take care of them when they get up there in years. Why sabotage that?
 

Tazznum1

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Teachers rarely care about "opening their eyes to the world" anymore. They are there with $hitty salaries and don't give an f' about what these kids will become. They are muddling through their work day and they don't want hassles because their pay sets how much they care. Come on, be honest guys. There is usually 1 teacher that is great in a school. Everybody else is there to get a paycheck and the summer off. Kids don't go into school one day and just start tearing ass, this was a long time coming.



Maybe cameras would be good. That way people can see who is the troublemaker and if the teacher can actually teach.
 

Brannon

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Cameras would be the best solution to many classroom problems, which is why it'll never be widely implemented. Because it makes too much sense. But suspending both the well-known school bully and the victim in the wheel chair for fighting is okay. It's going to take a miracle to fix our schools.
 

Azih

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I think more funding and higher pay for public school teachers would be the only thing that helps in the long run.
 
at the high school level, i honestly believe they should just start kicking these assholes out of school. Its one thing when they are little kids, but once you're 15/16/17 and you still haven't learned to act somewhat civilly, tell them to shape up or fuck off and be forced to join the real world.
 

belgurdo

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onion_pixy said:
My brother and sister in law are teachers. They teach in an upper middle class to weathly neiborhood. They get parents threatening with LAYWERS. He required assignments to be done in INK ONLY. Well, after refusing to accept a students homework done in pencil he got a call form that kids attourney. WTF? Laywer said he had to provide valid reasons to not accept a pencil assignment, otherwise expect to show up in court. My brother said "its hard to read, it smugdges. Use white out, thats ok" He tried to fight it, but the school told him to back down and he had to accept assignments in pencil. What the fuck kinda message is this sending our kids?

Your brother sounds rather petty and annoying as the parents. Ink only and actually giving a shit, wtf?

And it really sounds like most of you have forgotten that kids can be bad no matter how they're raised. A bad kid who got punched in the mouth by his dad everyday for not using proper behavior in 1850 would still be bad, as would a bad kid who gets "time out" for not using proper behavior in 1999. It's a mental thing rather than lack of "real" discipline
 

Mashing

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Ninja Scooter, that is the worst idea I've ever heard. If they did that they'd end up on the streets doing drugs, become serial killers and armed robbers. I really don't want those kinds of kids in school with me either, but expelling them would just make this country worse.
 

Justin Bailey

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Mashing said:
Ninja Scooter, that is the worst idea I've ever heard. If they did that they'd end up on the streets doing drugs, become serial killers and armed robbers. I really don't want those kinds of kids in school with me either, but expelling them would just make this country worse.
Actually my city had a somewhat ok solution for this. They set up a high school designed for kids like that. Basically if they screwed up really bad in public school (behavior or grades) they could go there and finish up getting their high school diploma. I remember hearing one time about a teacher that failed every student in his class and the superintendent congratulated him :lol
 

psycho_snake

I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
Naked Shuriken said:
You need to break their spirits. Give them copies to do, or force them to stay in detention, kick them out of the class, or get security to do it for you. Get them expelled from school
Their spirits are going to be so broken when they are told to do copies or are sent out of the classroom. Im sure that will teach them not to mess around...
 

Justin Bailey

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belgurdo said:
Your brother sounds rather petty and annoying as the parents. Ink only and actually giving a shit, wtf?

And it really sounds like most of you have forgotten that kids can be bad no matter how they're raised. A bad kid who got punched in the mouth by his dad everyday for not using proper behavior in 1850 would still be bad, as would a bad kid who gets "time out" for not using proper behavior in 1999. It's a mental thing rather than lack of "real" discipline
You honestly can't tell me that a parent spoiling the shit out of his kid and never punishing him isn't going to have an affect on that kids behavior in society.
 

belgurdo

Banned
Justin Bailey said:
Actually my city had a somewhat ok solution for this. They set up a high school designed for kids like that. Basically if they screwed up really bad in public school (behavior or grades) they could go there and finish up getting their high school diploma. I remember hearing one time about a teacher that failed every student in his class and the superintendent congratulated him :lol

We have a lot of those here in Indy (they're called "Key learning schools" or something.) They seem pretty effective, although from what I've observed some people have a problem with keeping the "street" out of the classroom at times


You honestly can't tell me that a parent spoiling the shit out of his kid and never punishing him isn't going to have an affect on that kids behavior in society.

Actually, I'm pretty spoiled myself (never been seriously punished by my parents or teachers, always got what I wanted when i asked until i got a job and started being self-sufficient,) and I can't recall ever lashing out at society (outside of being a hermit somewhat)
 

Azih

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belgurdo said:
And it really sounds like most of you have forgotten that kids can be bad no matter how they're raised. A bad kid who got punched in the mouth by his dad everyday for not using proper behavior in 1850..
Dude punching your kid in the mouth every day is just the other extreme of bad parenting.
 

Justin Bailey

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Willco said:
Fuck cameras. Fuck expulsion.

PARENTS NEED TO BEAT THEIR FUCKING KIDS.
wurd.

Sometimes you just gotta take off your belt and lay the smackdown.

Actually, I'm pretty spoiled myself (never been seriously punished by my parents or teachers, always got what I wanted when i asked until i got a job and started being self-sufficient,) and I can't recall ever lashing out at society (outside of being a hermit somewhat)
Well, it sounds like you were punished somewhat. I grew up with a guy who's parents bought him a bass guitar one time when he got suspended from school. And. . .big surprise, he ended up at the school I was talking about above.
 

Vieo

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I live in the NYC area.

You know, back when I was in grade school, there was this teacher named Ms. Stegal I think. I never had her as a teacher but she tossed on of the students out of her 4th grade class because they were behaving badly. The next evening when she was leaving school, it turns out that that kids parents were waiting for her. They jumped her and beat her up pretty bad. She ended up in the hospital and never came back to work. =(
 

Ristamar

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belgurdo said:
Actually, I'm pretty spoiled myself (never been seriously punished by my parents or teachers, always got what I wanted when i asked until i got a job and started being self-sufficient,) and I can't recall ever lashing out at society (outside of being a hermit somewhat)

Define 'spoiled.' Also, define 'seriously punished.'

Realistically, I could say the same thing of myself, but I was not relatively demanding as a child (or so I've been told). What you're claiming is hardly discrediting the problem of kids being raised on getting what they want by consistently walking all over authority figures they're supposed to learn from and/or respect.
 

dskillzhtown

keep your strippers out of my American football
Willco said:
Fuck cameras. Fuck expulsion.

PARENTS NEED TO BEAT THEIR FUCKING KIDS.


Word! Along with some actual parenting on the side. Alot of parents want to be the kids' friends and crap. Scared to lose that friendship so they don't want to upset the children. Too many people look at sitcomes and think that is how a family is supposed to act. You gotta teach children self-discipline, self-control and respect. I see too many parents just not giving a fuck and just wanting to give their offspring material things.
 
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