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Pokémon Community Thread 3: "Soon, All of Hoenn Will Be Under Its Withering Glare "
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Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I'd say it's because unlike sprites, model "actions" aren't memory hogs and very tedious to do.
Professor Beef
Banned
I didn't think it was slow at all to be perfectly honest. Even thinking about it now, I can't really tell the difference, or notice a difference that matters to me.
I'm glad that unlike the 3D games, X/Y have all Pokemons on screen at one, because other than a few attacks in PBR, the 3D games showed you a side attacking, and then afterwards a side getting hit.
More likely because it's not hard to animate a 3D model once you already have made the base. In sprites, the more animations you make, the more work you have to do.
More likely because it's not hard to animate a 3D model once you already have made the base. In sprites, the more animations you make, the more work you have to do.
Cute Dragon Here
Member
I hope that it manages to keep a stable 30 FPS while doing all that.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Cute Dragon Here
Member
I hope so. At least even with 30 FPS, you can still have things to be relatively smooth.
It's animation duration that's the problem with Gen IV, I think. I kind of want an "extended" option for single-player fights.
They've dipped a couple of times due to effects and locations (sometimes with the C-Gear on, I can see the game stutter in Nimbasa City), but it's typically a solid 30fps
Probably all the stuff Pokemon loads at once these days, well, the 3D.
Ruby and Sapphire was 60 FPS correct? Or is my memory being fuzzy? (haven't played it in years)
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
That was 30 fps? I thought XY was in 60.
Cute Dragon Here
Member
I think only Gen III ran at 60 FPS for the entire thing.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
The feel of 60 FPS.
It's not the speed so much as the mechanics. I can't handle the lack of touch controlled UI and the regressed battle system.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Battle speed aside, other things that prevent me from going back to older gens as far as the battle is concerned are UI speed (text speed, amount of text on screen, etc. - just compare both games when trying to learn a move and need to replace an existing move for that), less clutter on messages (like weather), quick transitions between menu (why is there a need for a fade in/out in Gen IV?), and certain effects being pretty much faster (stuff like Intimidate not needing to be stated, debuff/buff effects are faster, item use is faster, etc.)
ColtraineGF
Member
RBYGSC - 59.72 fps (this is from dividing the clock speed by the screen refresh time)
RSEFRLG - 59.73 fps (same)
DPPtHGSS - 30 fps
BW/2 - 30fps overworld, 60fps in battle
X/Y - ... I think it'll be 30 fps outdoors and in battle.
Cute Dragon Here
Member
I'm pretty sure pre-gen-3 was sub 60 frames for actual updates.
We need some solid proof here. lol Perhaps I'll just do it myself, I was trying not to spoil X and Y by playing a Pokemon game before it's release.
I was kind of curious about the "59.73 fps", it seems the actual game boy and game boy advance's screen has that refresh rate, thus, it makes that frame rate. What would occur if these games were ran in a emulator on the 3DS? Would they be 60 FPS or 59.73?
I was kind of curious about the "59.73 fps", it seems the actual game boy and game boy advance's screen has that refresh rate, thus, it makes that frame rate. What would occur if these games were ran in a emulator on the 3DS? Would they be 60 FPS or 59.73?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I really hope the battles would at least be 60fps
Speaking of which, for me BW2 never had slowdowns during triple, rotation and double battles... but for some odd reason the Triplet double battle causes slowdown.
Speaking of which, for me BW2 never had slowdowns during triple, rotation and double battles... but for some odd reason the Triplet double battle causes slowdown.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
I'm back, and still trying to decide on a new avatar ):
entremet
Member
Probably not possible to due higher fidelity and triple/rotation battles.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
And they don't stay transparent ):
So if anyone could do me a solid and make these two transparent that would be great!
Okay what the hell...
Oh maybe too big, so down size 'em while keeping the transparency.
Let's hope it will have 60 fps battles
And they don't stay transparent ):
So if anyone could do me a solid and make these two transparent that would be great!
Okay what the hell...
Oh maybe too big, so down size 'em while keeping the transparency.
and bam
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
and bam
YES! Thank you so much ^_^!!!
Cute Dragon Here
Member
Duskull looks deliciously cute there! Sometimes I just love myself good Pokémon art.
ColtraineGF
Member
Yes, that's what I said
To be more exact (for the GB/C at least), after a certain amount of clock cycles have passed (the time it takes for the screen to draw every *onscreen* vertical line), a flag is set in the CPU indicating the VBLANK (vertical blank) interrupt is to take place. If the interrupt is enabled, this causes the code to jump from wherever it's executing to a predetermined location in memory (in the GB/C, this is $40), where the programmer has to write code to do whatever drawing is needed, then jump back to wherever the game left off. The time for this is relatively short (about 1 ms). The time taken to draw the 144 onscreen vertical lines, and the time in VBLANK to "draw" 10 more lines, corresponds to a 59.72 fps refresh rate. The time taken is constant, so in GB/C's "double clock rate" mode (going from 4MHz to 8MHz), there's more time in the VBLANK to do whatever.
(For this explanation, I use "system doing the emulation" as 3DS, and the target system as "GB/C", but it applies to almost any system.)
It depends on how well the emulator is written. For example, you'd be doing these things in a loop:
Fetch instruction from program
Decode
Execute
Update memory
Update timers
Update I/O connections
Update sound playback
Update display
etc...
and that takes a variable amount of time, depending on how complex the instructions you're doing are. If the 3DS can do all these operations within 1/60th of a second, then great - the 3DS has enough time to properly time its screen refresh to match the GB/C's refresh rate, to give the appearance that this is running at exactly the same speed as the original hardware. But if not, you experience slowdown - hence most emulators offering "frame skip", which gives them more time to do whatever complex operation they need to do before drawing the screen with the sacrifice of drawn frames.
Cute Dragon Here
Member
I'm thinking of a different kind of "sub-60". 59.xx FPS counts as 60 for me.
RBYGSC felt not 59/60-FPS smooth. They felt... choppy in a strange way.
RBYGSC felt not 59/60-FPS smooth. They felt... choppy in a strange way.
ColtraineGF
Member
The original code is... complex, to say the least. That's what causes choppiness in certain parts.
If you're familiar with Z80 ASM, you can take a look over here:
https://bitbucket.org/iimarckus/pok...7d66681f651ee92ba0e34ef308/main.asm?at=master
(note: 2MB+ text file)
Cute Dragon Here
Member
Oh dang, I'm not familiar with assembly language of any kind. I'm more of a C#/C++ person.
That said, how was Gen III, IV, and V coded? In what programming language? These are... something that I somehow want to know.
ColtraineGF
Member
The GBA and DS have ARM-based processors, so in those cases one *could* use ARM code (documentation of which is widely available), but you could just have a toolchain that compiles your C/C++/whatever code to ARM to make things less tedious.
It's likely that G3 is done in C, and 4-6 are done in C/C++. On the homebrew side, there are toolchains available for GBA and DS homebrew that are in C/C++:
http://devkitpro.org/
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
The Elesa battle incident was overconfidence, but then ended with a strategy akin to the "counter spin" one you reference
tiggerkiddo
Member
Stage On deserves a better written show
dakkumauji
Member
The only thing I disliked about B/W anime was how certain Pokemon on Ash's team got shafted in development.
And, Iris.
And, Iris.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
If Scraggy doesn't evolve before it gets Oak'd permanently, I will blow all of my gaskets.
Exterminieren
Banned
A moment of silence for Palpitoad, Unfezant and Boldore, please.
At least Scraggy gets to appear more than once a year. Palpitoad has appeared in 3 whole episodes within the past two years.
I do not see it evolving. I hope it does though.
Exterminieren
Banned
I'd love it, but it's going to be (yet another) reboot. Pikachu and nothing else.
He'll at least initially be travelling with Alexa.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Are we expecting News this Saturday?
dakkumauji
Member
I only want at least Cilan to come along to Kalos.
Exterminieren
Banned
Doubt it. They'll drag some inconsequential detail from Coro Coro out for twenty minutes.
oh god that's amazing
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Well....fuck.