Maybe he wanted to leak this later, maybe he wasn't responsible for the parts of the game that had said forms. There are many possibilities!
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Pokémon Community Thread 3: "Soon, All of Hoenn Will Be Under Its Withering Glare "
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Maybe he wanted to leak this later, maybe he wasn't responsible for the parts of the game that had said forms. There are many possibilities!
Exterminieren
Banned
Maybe he just saw a Pokedex without any further info?
It's clear his info was incomplete, in any case.
Charlie0108
Member
But you'd think if he knew those details about Mawile then he would know about this too! I suppose like you said he could have been saving it though, it just doesn't make much sense to me!
PreyingShark
Member
Here's all he said regarding Mawile:
No evolution mentioned or anything. Just that the Fairy typing will be added to Mawile. The guy played the game in, like, February so it's very likely that GameFreak simply didn't add Mega forms until afterward. They had it planned, of course, which is why he would have encountered Mawile during his playthrough.
Charlie0108
Member
Ah, fair enough, thanks for clearing that up. I'm pretty sure it's been said that Mega Evolutions have been trademarked since February, but of course this doesn't mean they were in that build of the game.
lordfroakie
Member
We have an Electric/Fairy-type called Dedenne (デデンネ. It is 0.2m and 2.2kg. It is the Antenna Pokémon and has the abilities Pick Up or the new ability Cheek Pouches
Imagine if the anime replaced Ash with XY trainer, with Dedenne being the trainers starter pokemon. Now we're stuck with ASh/Pikachu paring again
tiggerkiddo
Member
Imagine if the anime replaced Ash with XY trainer, with Dedenne being the trainers starter pokemon. Now we're stuck with ASh/Pikachu paring again
I'm all up for replacing Ash though
lordfroakie
Member
That will be used for scouting/flying/ and one air battle
I still don't like the whole concept of Megalutions...
For starters I don't particularly like MegaBlaziken or MegaLucario, and while I do like MegaAbsol and MegaMawile, I don't see why they shouldn't have just been given proper evolutions instead. I have loathed Newtwo the entire time. If they fuck up Mega Charizard I will be gutted.
I mean, since these formes will no doubt be stronger than their base states, we are pretty much forced to use them...and I hate that! This isn't an interesting mechanic either...it's just so...forced. "Hey guys, how can we innovate the Pokemon franchise?"..."I KNOW GUYZ NEW FORMES FOR EVERYONE."
Ugh.
For starters I don't particularly like MegaBlaziken or MegaLucario, and while I do like MegaAbsol and MegaMawile, I don't see why they shouldn't have just been given proper evolutions instead. I have loathed Newtwo the entire time. If they fuck up Mega Charizard I will be gutted.
I mean, since these formes will no doubt be stronger than their base states, we are pretty much forced to use them...and I hate that! This isn't an interesting mechanic either...it's just so...forced. "Hey guys, how can we innovate the Pokemon franchise?"..."I KNOW GUYZ NEW FORMES FOR EVERYONE."
Ugh.
Wouldn't that also be the case with normal evolutions? I need to see more details on how these forms work but there is the potential for something really cool here.
Well the mega evolutions look stupid. Especially since one of them is a starter pokemon and the other was already a three tiered one and I still think the new Mewtwo looks godawful, as does a bunch of these other megaevolutions. Somebody get that pic that compares Charizard being designed in the first gen and now, it's basically what happened here.
Should have just given pokemon like Absol and Mawile a normal evolution.
Should have just given pokemon like Absol and Mawile a normal evolution.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Why does Korea get it earlier? D:
Also yay buff Mega Lucario
That's just the internet in general, people love to complain.
I'm not speaking against the Mega stuff since I think it's rather interesting and pretty cool. But new does not always mean good to everyone. Some people are going to complain simply because they aren't a fan of the concept.
Aggrotek
Member
True, but in a general sense it is a good thing that they are trying something new.
Professor Beef
Banned
No, this is like when you ask a genie for a wish but you asked for it the wrong way, and he ends up turning your head into solid gold or something.
Or if you wish to be the president of the world and he makes you the president of a small mini golf company that focuses on putting world icons into their courses called "the world"
Or if you wish to be an icon to which all men can only aspire to even come close to and turns you into a beautiful woman
Or my favorite is that you wish for the genie to not grant this wish and the two conflicting commands cause the genie to explode into a universe distorting rift that frequently leaks horrid abominations into our realm
But yeah I get your point
Cute Dragon Here
Member
Do you think the people that can't seem to accept any change even though they wanted them are actually just a vocal minority?
Why does Korea get it earlier? D:
Also yay buff Mega Lucario
That's a Korean event, not them getting the game next week
I only have issue with Pokemon like Blaziken and Lucario getting these Megalutions, because in my eyes they were fine as they were. Now (If I want to battle competitively), I'm going to be forced to use these new more powerful formes, and I don't like them as much as the originals. Absol and Mawile actually look good, but that's because they look like proper evolutions.
Every time something like this happens, a few people get on their high horse and shake their head disapprovingly at the people who don't like the change. Seriously? People will have different opinions. I don't dislike this because it's 'new', I don't like it because it feels unnecessary, and is pretty cheap as far as 'innovation' goes. What exactly will this bring to the table? Pokemon now go into God Mode and kill each other faster. I don't understand how that will make battles more interesting. The whole concept doesn't appeal to me, either. Half of the fun of Pokemon is seeing your guys evolve and become more powerful. Now, some Pokemon (like Absol and Mawile) don't properly evolve. They get temporary power-ups, and I'm sorry - that just isn't as cool.
ColtraineGF
Member
Do you find forms unnecessary?
No, but until now they have been (for the most part) exclusive to legendaries, and they also haven't been superior to their base forms.
These aren't forms
Also, they haven't been exclusive to legendaries;
Unown
Castform
Burmy/Wormadam
Cherrim
Shellos/Gastrodon
Rotom
Darmanitan
Basculin
Deerling/Sawsbuck
Also, Rotom and Kyurems forms have an increase in BST.
Rotom: 440
Appliances: 520
Standard Kyurem: 660
BW Kyurem: 700
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
That's a Korean event, not them getting the game next week
Yeah I mean how come Korea gets the news earlier.
One would think Pokemon US would be like "watch for the reveal this Sunday" or something!
Yeah I mean how come Korea gets the news earlier.
One would think Pokemon US would be like "watch for the reveal this Sunday" or something!
They've since edited it out. It was a mistake
I know, but Coltraine asked if I also found forms unnecessary. That said - the few non-legends that have different forms make sense anyway, as (apart from Rotom) they are regional/seasonal/weather differences. I like formes.These aren't forms
I just don't like the concept of megalutions. Absol and Mawile probably won't get proper evolutions now, and that's disappointing.
ColtraineGF
Member
I asked because that's basically what these seem to be - alternate formes of Pokemon that have different base stats/abilites (yes yes, not formes, but whatever). I mean, what indication do you have that
aside from a guess? Why is it unnecessary in comparison to formes which already exist? Do you actually know what it'll bring to the table, without even seeing the effects it'll have on competitive (presuming that's the table you're referring to)?
Other than that, opinions I guess. I find the concept intriguing personally, and can't wait to see how it's used ingame, as well as who gets stones and whatnot.
The way I see it, there are two ways this can be implemented.
Pokemon hold the 'Mega Stone' to access their more powerful formes for the duration of the battle. This is bad. Only certain Pokemon will have Megalutions, so this will more than likely cause balancing problems, as Pokemon with Megalutions will more than likely be much stronger than those without. Furthermore, if MegaBlaziken is more powerful than base Blaziken, suddenly Blaziken is obsolete. I really don't like the sound of that.
Now, option 2. Pokemon can access these formes if certain conditions are met in battle. This is a MUCH better option, especially if it can be somewhat skill based, because it avoids the base forms of Pokemon becoming obsolete - you start the battle with them and build towards activating 'Super Mode'. Unfortunately, there is no indicator that this is the way it's going to be handled.
Pokemon hold the 'Mega Stone' to access their more powerful formes for the duration of the battle. This is bad. Only certain Pokemon will have Megalutions, so this will more than likely cause balancing problems, as Pokemon with Megalutions will more than likely be much stronger than those without. Furthermore, if MegaBlaziken is more powerful than base Blaziken, suddenly Blaziken is obsolete. I really don't like the sound of that.
Now, option 2. Pokemon can access these formes if certain conditions are met in battle. This is a MUCH better option, especially if it can be somewhat skill based, because it avoids the base forms of Pokemon becoming obsolete - you start the battle with them and build towards activating 'Super Mode'. Unfortunately, there is no indicator that this is the way it's going to be handled.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
It's a weird complaint, but I dislike the font of the in game text in Pokémon X and Y. I always liked the fonts in previous Pokémon games. X and Y's doesn't look that unique to me. It looks a bit bland.
Also, Mega Evolutions seem like a pretty big feature, since the double helix is also visible in the Japanese logos. I guess it will also be important storywise.
Also, Mega Evolutions seem like a pretty big feature, since the double helix is also visible in the Japanese logos. I guess it will also be important storywise.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I find it silly asking about the English press release and in the next minute or so they popped up
oh my god I'm sooooo hyped right now I don't think I can last for W101 thread later
oh my god I'm sooooo hyped right now I don't think I can last for W101 thread later
Aggrotek
Member
No, because that implies that Game Freak is obligated to give you whatever you want.
God Pokemon happens too early in the morning. I've been tweeting pics from the World Championships on http://twitter.com/nuggetbridge
http://www.pokemonxy.com/en-us/whats_new/super_training/
I guess this is the ev mini games they were talking about?
I guess this is the ev mini games they were talking about?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Heh, speculations that Colress invented the megastones seem to circulate now.
It's a bit premature to speculate that these megavolutions will be flat out better than the original Pokemon. We know that the Mega Pokemon can't use items in battle which is already a confirmed downside, and some of them even have their abilities changed. In all due honesty, there's a strong chance that MegaMawhile, MegaAbsol and MegaAmpharos will probably be better than the original, but there's no use in getting pessimistic at the concept as a whole, since we haven't seen anything yet. Mega stones could potentially breath new life into Pokemon that were downright awful (in fact, it already has with Mawhile, Absol and Ampharos).
I personally think the mega forms will be like the Therian Forms, (IE Stat/ability changes that aren't inherently better or worse)
ColtraineGF
Member
There's a possibility of reversal of the transformation by using Knock Off/Thief and the like to remove the item - that could be a possible downside if that's the case.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Wonder how long until they officially reveal Mega Mawile, Mega Ampharos and Mega Absol.
Yeah alright I've warmed to it. New Blaziken and Lucario look better than their originals. Ampharos looks dumb as fuck but I'm rocking an all Gen VI team anyway until I finish the story then will get on a competitive team. Hopefully the new super trainer thing makes it easier for me to know what I'm doing.
It's been confirmed on the website that Blaziken and Lucario are significantly powered up in their new formes. I am warming to the idea now though, since they do have to sacrifice an item slot AND there seems to be other conditions that need to be met as well. It's hopefully going to end up a gimmick that won't see use in competitive battling.
sorakirosaki
Member
Why does Korea get it earlier? D:
Also yay buff Mega Lucario
I was JUST THERE D: damn it
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I wonder how a certain scrafty would react to the news lol
Yeah, the lack of items is a pretty big aspect to balance these pokemons. Even if they do end up stronger than their base forms, the fact they can't carry items like choice items or leftovers limit their movesets, maybe to a point where it evens out. You can see that these pokemon already have some good abilities to help them out in that aspect.
Now that we have more information, it's really starting to seem like these won't get much use competitively. It's been confirmed that the Pokemon who are able to megavolve have to sacrifice an item slot AND meet some other criteria to power up, so it requires way too much setup to be a viable strategy, UNLESS they become one-shot killing monsters (and at that point they'd be banned anyway).
On top of that, Pokemon that weren't competitively viable before (funnily enough the ones that could benefit the most from megalution) like Ampharos, Absol and Mawile would more than likely get a massive dent put in them before they even get a chance to megavolve, because their base stats are just too low. Oh, and if the move Knock-Off gets rid of the Mega Stone and reverts the MegaMon back to base form, every team online will carry that move and we'll never see a Mega Stone being used at all. This is why megalution shits me so much - Mawile and Absol should have proper evolutions that up their base stats, not this.
Even more lol if the Pokemon has to meet conditions to megavolve again after switching out.