Yeah, I think Serena is great. Sadly she'll most likely leave and nobody will ever bring her up ever again.
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Pokémon Community Thread 4: "Your Portal to What's Hip and Happening in Sinnoh!"
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Exterminieren
Banned
The difference is that Misty was a fun character, and Serena is a bland and dull one.
If you took away the desperate attempts at shipbait, there'd be absolutely nothing distinctive there.
If you took away the desperate attempts at shipbait, there'd be absolutely nothing distinctive there.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Misty was a generic tsundere character in the usual kids ensemble gang. Barely even fun since her shtick was so predictable and at times even puts the action at a screeching halt. She's generally Akane from Ranma 1/2, equally annoying and sucks away from Ranma.
Even without shipbait Serena was a supportive character who'd cheer on for her companions and had a sisterly, homely feel to her (seen with Bonnie). She never interfered with the action that is happening (and sometimes would even help), and rather than squeezing into Ash's plot instead she has her own.
yeah serena has been tropey pop idol waifu nonsense
she should have stuck to podracing
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I'd take that trope over tsundere any other day. Especially the one spawned by the 90's that redefined the archetype for worse.
Worst character archetype ever. Though I am glad that some titles are now actively trying to go against tsundere shit.
Count me in for preferring mistys tsundere archetype over serenas blush faced repressed sexual fantasy shenanigans.
Shadow Broker
Banned
Before I say what I want to say let me put out there that anime Serena is alright at best but I feel she was robbed by Alan's character.
I loved Serena's character in the games. Mastering mega evolution was her goal and she wanted to become strong. She didn't have a crush on the main character, she was supportive and helped the MC, and she also showed frustration when she lost to the MC.
Now here comes the anime version of Serena. Who ever makes the anime took away Serena's in game goals and gave it to Alan, which is to master and become the strongest mega evolution trainer. Serena could have been developed as a strong "female rival" for Ash and we as fans and viewers could have watched that growth from the beginning. The anime creators could have went threw with something that could have been amazing like expand the game version of Serena instead they played it "safe" by creating a not so badass character like Alan and we got this version of Serena.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
That would just be another Ash though.
I honestly like what we got because it's something new to the anime - a homely character who upon traveling with Ash, originally meant as an excuse to stay away from her mom's nagging, soon became open to the prospect of adventuring and began to develop some interest. After finding one, rather than being good about it, she instead utterly failed, but this inspired her to continue with it along with the support of her friends especially with Ash. And while doing all of these, she never lost her homely touch.
And don't give me that "trainers shouldn't act so domesticated" when technically she's not a battler to begin with and we've seen "non-battler" people owning Pokemon. And I dislike the notion that she is "nothing" without the shipbait, as though having shipbait makes her nothing else.
And after the cringe that was Iris, she was an honest welcome.
I honestly like what we got because it's something new to the anime - a homely character who upon traveling with Ash, originally meant as an excuse to stay away from her mom's nagging, soon became open to the prospect of adventuring and began to develop some interest. After finding one, rather than being good about it, she instead utterly failed, but this inspired her to continue with it along with the support of her friends especially with Ash. And while doing all of these, she never lost her homely touch.
And don't give me that "trainers shouldn't act so domesticated" when technically she's not a battler to begin with and we've seen "non-battler" people owning Pokemon. And I dislike the notion that she is "nothing" without the shipbait, as though having shipbait makes her nothing else.
And after the cringe that was Iris, she was an honest welcome.
The Rival Character in X/Y is the
second
admittedly this is more due to the poor level balancing, but gameplay and story should be integrated so I'm counting it
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I thought it had some form of tongue-in-cheek moment where it had some implication that "if you had picked them, they would have been doing great things"
misty also grew out of the tsundere archetype for the most part, and its origin actually made sense considering her sisters didn't treat her well growing up.
serena smacks of a female character made specifically to titillate the male audience, and i think that many of her problems stem from that. all the main females have this issue to some degree (the writers have even admitted to as much before) because the show's writers aren't very good, but none to the extent she does.
I think the current cast of characters is shaping up to be the best out of all gens. Coming from Iris it's definitely a huge upgrade. Unlike previous gens, i don't feel meh about some characters getting extra screen time. (Bonus points to Bonnie/Eureka for being awesome!)
As for Serena, i much prefer the anime version to her ingame counterpart but maybe i'm just biased towards the cute/friendship aspect.
As for Serena, i much prefer the anime version to her ingame counterpart but maybe i'm just biased towards the cute/friendship aspect.
I haven't watched the X/Y anime, but everything I've seen tells me I'd like Serena a lot more than Misty. Definitely more than in-game Serena, but that's not hard considering X/Y barely had character interactions.
That's pretty much Bianca's thing in B/W. (Games, not anime.)
That's pretty much Bianca's thing in B/W. (Games, not anime.)
Let's just say Kishi was bad at relationship writing in general and leave it at that.
Well it was probably all just not sure how much they should change early on in the show's run then. And I did mention that Kris shows up in the special.
I just feel bad for Leaf, Hilda, Hilbert, and Calem, that they haven't shown up animated even once, even if only as a movie OP credits cameo.
Shadow Broker
Banned
Okay. From the beginning of Serena's journey up until the part she decided what she wanted to do I liked alot. The fact she left home without really knowing what she and figuring it it out later and failing the first go round was perfect in my mind. It's after that and what she chose as her career path that annoys.
In the anime she's not really a battler. In the game she is and I was comparing the anime Serena to the source meterial which is the game Serena. I hate the career choice she made because besides Iris and Misty that's the career choice the anime writers give the females that travels with Ash so they have a purpose while traveling with him (writers being lazy and playing it safe). You said it'll be just like Ash when I disagree. Serena or any trainer doesn't need to challenge the elite four or champion to be considered strong. Hell the game version of Serena just wanted to master Mega Evolution and she used the MC as a measuring stick of sorts.
Me and you can go back and forth on this all day and that'll be cool because you do have your points that I agree with but I'm tired of the anime having the traveling female almost always chose the identical career path (minus two of them) instead of using them to show and slowly build a female character who at times fails but eventually becomes powerful both skil and character wise instead of a female character showing up and being told she's powerful.
The anime Serena isn't bad and sure isn't the worst and while I like the anime Serena I am disappointed with it.
We'll that's my two cents on the matter.
I get what you're saying. Hell my 11 yo acts like these fictional kids at times but having real life kids kind of altered my view of what you posted. While annoying all I saw were 4 kids who were trying to make it in their own way. They could have joined team Flare or started a life of crime but instead one of them chased the dream of mastering Mega evolutions, another wanted to complete the Pokedex, another wanted to be a slightly over weight MC Hammer, and the last just wanted a life time full of memories with her friends.
Also, most kids acts like know it all even when you prove them wrong.
My problem with Serena isn't really with Serena herself(except for the fact that they made her younger so that her crush angle would work, but that is a discussion for another time), but with the Showcases. The writers took one aspect of Pokemon Contests, the performance stage, and created a competition completely built around it. It is the most half arsed thing that I've seen in a long time, they really couldn't come up with something new? Really?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I'm indifferent about performances, but yeah I can see why people will find it jarring especially in Pokemon. It generally mimics idol anime, particularly the merchandise-driven shows.
I get you and I can see too why Serena won't be really into people, I guess my side was more on nothing seeing wrong with her, and that she's arguably more enjoyable than Misty, hell May and Dawn were way better than Misty too.
heh who knows, Aikatsu Stars apparently is having boy idols so maybe Kalos will get them eventually
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Can't sleep cuz leaks...who else staying up all-night for them?
ArchedThunder
Banned
Are we sure we'll get them tonight? Did I miss something?
I won't be staying up all night, but I am excited.
Charlie0108
Member
Isn't it still a little bit early for leaks? I remember the 12th usually being the magic number in the past.
I would but I don't feel that I am having fun on this ride, like I did with the Battle Frontier arc, Sinnoh Arc and Unova...though I bailed out after Ash's Krokorok evolves into Krookodile and only watched the episode when his Charizard returned before bailing back out again. Sigh Unova had so much potential to be a great follow up from Sinnoh.
But I will say this the animation in the Kalos arc is pretty good.
I am actually going to bed now, the leaks can be there when I wake up.
It's way too early in the period to stay up all night for leaks
There's no set time for it. People keep going on as if there is, but there isn't. Sometimes we don't even get it until the day before release.
Professor Beef
Banned
I'm busy replaying Soul Silver, and I just got to the part I always dread: Blackthorn City. Time to grind to ~38 lololol
MAtgS
Member
Funny, I remember back in those days people online complained about her having becoming a more bland character because of that & those jokes that Togepi was a leech that was sucking the personality & drive out of her. The long years of Johto boredom left many fans wishing she would go back to her old Kanto self.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
she grew out of the tsundere... but became a non-character after that
and still sucks that she pretty much "stole" Togepi... but then considering how much a sucker for attention Togepi is I am kinda glad Ash didn't end up raising it
and still sucks that she pretty much "stole" Togepi... but then considering how much a sucker for attention Togepi is I am kinda glad Ash didn't end up raising it
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
"I suggest you familiarise yourself with this before insulting my Pokemon knowledge"
Until next time, :dead:.
Until next time, :dead:.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
Has there ever been a way to check whether a Pokemon evolves and via what method in-game? Because I always thought it was dumb that I essentially have to consult the Internet to know which of a million possible different evolution methods I need to use.
The only thing I can think of is that if you select an evolution stone, it'll list your current party members as "able" or "unable."
The only thing I can think of is that if you select an evolution stone, it'll list your current party members as "able" or "unable."
I don't think so. Where there in game hints on how to evolve Inkay? Can't remember. That would have tripped me up if there was no internet.
What if CoroCoro news is that it has the first magazine images of sun/moon, and they are stills from the direct trailer.
Aaronrules380
Member
context?
I think some of the games did have something like that. I remember there was someone you could call and they'd tell you? I think it might have been Professor Juniper or Cheren.
I remember Inkay gave me trouble. I'd heard the leaks about it evolving by upsidedown-ness, and rejected it as stupid. I eventually got to about 3/4 of the way through the story, sighed and tried it.
Edit: I swear the was someone who'd tell you about a specific pokémon evolves but I can't find anything about who it was. Maybe I imagined it...
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Joe owning some Poke Streamer on Twitter.
PreyingShark
Member
If it's not on Serebii then I don't trust it. If it later makes it on Serebii, then I'll trust it.
First I've heard of this.
... I think I might try and avoid seeing them until things are confirmed. Does this mean avoiding this thread? I know posting pictures is a no go since scans, but will discussion be spoilered tagged?
Shadow Broker
Banned
If you don't mind can you PM me where do you go for your fake(?) Or not fake Leaks?
I seriously don't know where to go. Google search is useless. Even if it's fake it'll be enough to get my imagination going which would be enough to get me threw the night. (I'm working nights)
papertoonz
Member
oh great more fakes
come on coro coro end the fakes
come on coro coro end the fakes
ColtraineGF
Member
If you just can't tell the difference between real and fake, there's a reason Serebii Confirmed is a thing 
Yeah that annoyed me a lot as in the past Pokémon has done a great job in showing tough female trainers and boy who take part in contest. But then the X and Y Animé came along and said "Nope only girls do this idol thingy and only boys take on gym leader and partake in the league."
It's also why I felt so disconnected to Kalos Ash as he's being written as a action hero and his team being all macho fits that theme, this Ash would never partake in contest like Hoenn and Sinnoh Ash did.
If you just can't tell the difference between real and fake, there's a reason Serebii Confirmed is a thing
This pretty much, if Joe doesn't tweet about it then chances are that it's fake...or that Joe is sleeping. ;p
I'm only coming up on hitting XYZ but I'm not sure I'd t call his team macho outside of Hawlucha. There was PTSD Goomy and crying Noivern. Ash is indeed a monster though, Dove straight towards tons of lava to catch Talonflame. I didn't think he'd outdo the garchomp tower jump witch to catch pikachu, but sure enough he did.
Just got to the bunnelby capture episode. Probably one of my favorite of this series so far. Kind of a bummer it took so long to get this much spotlight on bunnelby.
Just got to the bunnelby capture episode. Probably one of my favorite of this series so far. Kind of a bummer it took so long to get this much spotlight on bunnelby.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I've been browsing all day and haven't seen any convincing leaks so I'm guessing y'all are seeing the fairly convincing ones from last month with the goat, bear, and lizard---had I been up when they "leaked" I may have been taken by them too.
ReplacementPelican
Member
I haven't seen any of the fakes yet, any links? I enjoy it nonetheless.
Woooo, I backed up my Pokemon Yellow save, and through some convoluted shenanigans involving old hardware like a Monster Brain and a Gameboy Smart card and a custom homebrew launcher, I managed to get the save onto my 3DS VC version!
It's gonna be surreal seeing my 18-15 year old Pokemon get transferred to Pokemon Sun and Moon, glad they won't be stuck on a dying Yellow cart now
It's gonna be surreal seeing my 18-15 year old Pokemon get transferred to Pokemon Sun and Moon, glad they won't be stuck on a dying Yellow cart now