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Pokémon Community Thread 4: "Your Portal to What's Hip and Happening in Sinnoh!"
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Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
there was no staff change outside of the director though, the writers of XY are still BW
also the writers of the last two eps were the ones who mostly did the excellent XY gym fights
Both, Team Flare arc in X and Y was not well spread out and thus they don't come off well.
Which is why I was gutted when I found out that "Pokémon Z" wasn't happening as they could have benefited from it like how Cyrus did with Platinum as he was fleshed out better than his Diamond and Pearl counterpart.
Heck Neo Team Rocket, Team Magma/Aqua got fleshed out in their remakes.
Phanpy was an unevolved Pokémon who joined Ash's team far too late, this was the writer giving him a bone while doing a filler arc.
Greninja is a fully evolved Pokémon and has been with Ash since the start of the Kalos animé, he will not be going with Ash to the Alola region as his arc is complete.
Greninja will get sent to Oak along with Ash's Kalos team barring Pikachu.
Ash is a marketing tool for the game, he has to lose so the writer can set up the next region and start the cycle again.
Interesting, my friend had moved to Japan to do manga and even got on TV over there. He came back for break from manga school and told me some dissapointing things about the media industry over there.
It seems they treat the population like they are idiots. He had been pulled to the side several times saying his Japanese writing was too advance for the audience and to dumb it down. I kid you not, a foriegner, 27 year old writing japanese that is too advance for the native speakers.
It also seems that they care not for progression but cool battles and romantic scense. These barebone hooks seem to be all they think viewers care about.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah, from what I heard you really need to have balls or just be established to actually do something you like.
PadWarrior
Member
That's a good point pikachu for as good as it is never got ash this close.
dakkumauji
Member
only cause there was no love felt between ash and pikachu
what a shame
what a shame
Being responsible for some of the best individual moments in the franchise definitely counts as worthwhile
PadWarrior
Member
Ordered this from Amazon
Ordered this from Amazon
I've got that, it's such a good figure for the low price.
PadWarrior
Member
Oh nice had no idea it was even a thing until today. Where did you get yours?
SenorArdilla
Member
XY Writers: "Alright. Ash wins the league and then Team Flare strikes before they have time to celebrate."
BW Writers: " Oh you sweet summer children. You clearly have no idea what people want. Here's what you do."
(BW Writers cross out "wins" and writes in "loses")
XY Writers: "What the hell is this?"
BW Writers: "You'll understand later. YOLO."
BW Writers: " Oh you sweet summer children. You clearly have no idea what people want. Here's what you do."
(BW Writers cross out "wins" and writes in "loses")
XY Writers: "What the hell is this?"
BW Writers: "You'll understand later. YOLO."
Icyflamez96
Member
I heard the BW and XY writers are the same.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
honestly I'm more peeved at people who aren't into XY suddenly declaring the quality of the show as though they watched it whole specifically only due to the league
hell, the BW writers are the writers from AG, some even as old as OS
same writers
hell, the BW writers are the writers from AG, some even as old as OS
hell, XY is currently his highest achievement
dakkumauji
Member
nothing but bandwagonners
PadWarrior
Member
Worlds tomorrow here's hoping for some pokken and mainline Pokemon game news.
Im still scratching my head at this, I mean their ratings are dropping so they are doing everything to boost them, they brought back Ash's Charizard, they forced in romance, this was clearly a pull to an older audience, I'm assuming Youkai Watch has gotten the kids in Japan still. This league outcome was probably the worst thing they could have done for an older audience.
They caught the attention of older fans especially in the social media age (which is playing with fire in and of itself) and right off the fire of Pokemon Go. The alignment was there for an anime rebirth but they **** the bed and their undergarments while laughing about it. I'm a bit more dissapointed that they cant get rid of Ash. Does Pikachu need to be in the cast of the main characters? Why is appearing in intros and other areas not enough?
And I mean the battle wasn't even well done either from what I saw, these people's jobs are on the line. WTF are they doing? Lol. How is doing the same thing over again going to keep your ratings going up? People want contiunity, people want progression and development. This is almost unreal behavior from professionals. DBZ played on early morning cartoons when I was 6-7, it had progression. There is no excuse for brain dead mess.
They caught the attention of older fans especially in the social media age (which is playing with fire in and of itself) and right off the fire of Pokemon Go. The alignment was there for an anime rebirth but they **** the bed and their undergarments while laughing about it. I'm a bit more dissapointed that they cant get rid of Ash. Does Pikachu need to be in the cast of the main characters? Why is appearing in intros and other areas not enough?
And I mean the battle wasn't even well done either from what I saw, these people's jobs are on the line. WTF are they doing? Lol. How is doing the same thing over again going to keep your ratings going up? People want contiunity, people want progression and development. This is almost unreal behavior from professionals. DBZ played on early morning cartoons when I was 6-7, it had progression. There is no excuse for brain dead mess.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
YW is actually not doing so well in ratings either
also again, you're conflating XY's quality over this single league outcome
also again, you're conflating XY's quality over this single league outcome
Here's hoping Greninja is randomly revealed for Pokken.
I don't think the success or failure of a show really hinges on the outcome of the league. If you stick around for 100+ episodes of the show, chances are that you like it on at least some level. And while one may be disappointed by the final outcome, it doesn't retroactively ruin what was enjoyable about the show before, especially in Pokémon where a random filler episode can be one of the most enjoyable of the season (looking at you Pokeball factory). Would B/W as a whole be looked upon favorably if Ash were to have won the Unova league?
As far as a ratings go, I don't know that a league victory would lead to any sort of long term improvement. And while I'd also be interested in a new protagonist (although I'm fine with Ash), I'd guess that would only have short term gains as well, as many core aspects of the show would likely remain the same. I'd be curious to hear about any long running series that did successfully change protagonists throughout. Only thing that comes to mind is Yugioh, and I have no idea how that panned out ratings wise. My intuition could be way off here of course.
Lastly, I don't think you can really have the same expectations of a Pokémon anime as you can something like DBZ. DBZ is based on a manga, that was created/written by one person who envisioned an ending and had no limitations when it comes to their story. There is no end in sight for Pokémon. The anime is used to promote the latest games and merch and the writers most likely have orders from the higher ups that need to be fulfilled. Considering the situation, I'm glad the anime is as good as it is (just my opinion of course).
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Also note that ratings don't really matter for shows like this.
PadWarrior
Member
That would be the best random reveal ever.
Yeah, I was a little surprised to see that brought up a lot after the loss. Don't think I've ever seen them mentioned before. Some in the other thread made it sound like the show was under threat of immediate cancellation.
They know this is the best was to surpass the out of left field Pikachu Libre announcement from last year.
PadWarrior
Member
Man you getting my hype levels up now lol
They matter to a degree. If the show is no longer serving as effective promotion for the games and related merchandise, there's no reason to bother.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
And the way to gauge that is through sales, not ratings.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Pretty sure it's gonna go down like this next season.
Ash keeps greninja and unlocks it's full mega potential
Ash unlocks the lightning z move with pikachu through bonding and pika feeling like he lets ash down
Ash get's Rowlett who once evolved has a rivalry with greninja
If serena sticks around she gets popplio for contest reasons
Ash keeps greninja and unlocks it's full mega potential
Ash unlocks the lightning z move with pikachu through bonding and pika feeling like he lets ash down
Ash get's Rowlett who once evolved has a rivalry with greninja
If serena sticks around she gets popplio for contest reasons
If nobody is watching the show but the merch keeps selling, what is the point of the show?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
That's the million dollar question. We have so many examples of shows tanking in ratings but the merch selling regardless, and they ended up staying on air.
http://kotaku.com/the-internet-reacts-to-pokemons-biggest-loser-1785494176
My favorite part of this article is the "As Kotaku first reported". I'm guessing it is using first as in earlier, but reading through it quickly made it sound as if they had an exclusive scoop that Ash lost a league.
My favorite part of this article is the "As Kotaku first reported". I'm guessing it is using first as in earlier, but reading through it quickly made it sound as if they had an exclusive scoop that Ash lost a league.
Honestly, I think the anime would be more effective promotion of the franchise if Ash left. As it is, the anime has taken on a life of its own and only serves itself. Pokémon GO's release was the catalyst for an upswing in Gen VI game sales and a dominance of social media. The Kalos League resulted in two Kotaku articles and a bitter avatar bet.
Shadow Broker
Banned
The one thing I absolutely loved about Black and White were the random Pokémon filler tournaments in it.
That's my biggest complaint about X and Y anime.
I loved the all the improvements the XYZ made but in the end I want to see Pokémon battles and tournaments.
Also, all the things Japan was facing at the time BW aired could also be a reason or part of why BW ratings tank.
superdeluxe
Member
Any of you guys play the Pokemon Tabletop united RPG? I've heard good things, but wanted some more thoughts on it.
There was mega Kahn in 2013
Mega Slowbro in 2014
And Pikachu Libre/Pokken Wii U announcement in 2015
So chances are good we will get some kind of reveal.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
So we already have EX cards,Mega cards,BREAK cards and now GX cards along with dual typing Pokémon cards recently coming back. This new TCG rotation is looking very exciting and I can't wait to see how the GX cards shake the Meta.
Edit:
Of course this session was never intended to go on for so long but college/work has caused everyone to have conflicting schedules so scheduling a session is kinda hard at times.
My group is just 1 session away from finally finishing this story we started so the only thing I can tell you is to have a good GM,a group with a good imagination and try to have fun.Oh and if you never played a Tabletop game before your going to have alot of learning to do but PTU at roll20 has been updated graciously over time to make certain table top aspects easier.
Edit:
Me and 4 other people have been playing a session for nearly 2 years! At one point we were so active our session actually made the top leaderboard at roll20.
Of course this session was never intended to go on for so long but college/work has caused everyone to have conflicting schedules so scheduling a session is kinda hard at times.
My group is just 1 session away from finally finishing this story we started so the only thing I can tell you is to have a good GM,a group with a good imagination and try to have fun.Oh and if you never played a Tabletop game before your going to have alot of learning to do but PTU at roll20 has been updated graciously over time to make certain table top aspects easier.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Crabrawler hype.
Are we still expecting another reveal tomorrow or is it the last?
Are we still expecting another reveal tomorrow or is it the last?
dakkumauji
Member
yes, cause japan measures how successful the anime is by number of kotaku articles and neogaf avatar bets
the anime is a literal money sink
it probably makes no money for the franchise as a whole but serves as a reminder for like everyone that pokemon still exists and it has merch and games to sell
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Gods, these Worlds streams are atrocious, I want to watch something but 80% of the time it's nothing.