Huh? Team Rocket is an organization though, and going by lore there's also (not sure about names) Butch and Cassidy who show up in Kanto and Johto I believe as foils of Jessie and James...or Kojiro and Musashi. So that's 5 there, and I'm guessing TR has a Giovonni so maybe 6.
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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em Scum!
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Christina Mackenzie
Member
My apologies then, it was never my intention to try and rub it in.
Oh my God, they killed Ourobolus!
Christina Mackenzie
Member
Yeah ok, I know nothing about Pokemon other than the TV show with Jessie, James and Meowth.
Blargonaut
Banned
oh it's me
hey it's Officer Killjoy
the speculation police
What do you suggest these fine citizens talk about, hmm
Mr. "I won't play along with you this time"?
hey it's Officer Killjoy
the speculation police
What do you suggest these fine citizens talk about, hmm
Mr. "I won't play along with you this time"?
Blargonaut
Banned
yeah I'll get back to you on that
How utterly useless your whole perfomance in this game has been?
Why not give your opinion about El Topo's aggressive omgsus vote and defense. Does anyone believe Darryl is successfully cornering Fireblend or is it a redundant discussion like Fire claims it to be? Why not look at roy and how he did very little? How he comes around and has dusk, nin, you and ty as his scum suspects? Does anyone agree with this assertion? Why not talk about Stanley or melon and how they do not stand out at all?
Why does everyone give Bronx a free pass after him saying twice(?) he'll come back later meanwhile the whole of D1 has passed?
Why do we not focus on player behaviour instead, Blarg?
Why not give your opinion about El Topo's aggressive omgsus vote and defense. Does anyone believe Darryl is successfully cornering Fireblend or is it a redundant discussion like Fire claims it to be? Why not look at roy and how he did very little? How he comes around and has dusk, nin, you and ty as his scum suspects? Does anyone agree with this assertion? Why not talk about Stanley or melon and how they do not stand out at all?
Why does everyone give Bronx a free pass after him saying twice(?) he'll come back later meanwhile the whole of D1 has passed?
Why do we not focus on player behaviour instead, Blarg?
Christina Mackenzie
Member
I suppose it's my flaw in these mafia games. I don't gauge player's reactions and intention very well. If you were to ask me how I feel about Ty4on/Sophia/Darryl + Unmasked Ferret I'd say pretty null.
So between Lone_Prodigy and myself, who do you think is more likely to be scum?
So between Lone_Prodigy and myself, who do you think is more likely to be scum?
Christina Mackenzie
Member
Gorlak, you want to lynch an inactive? Then how will we decide how to vote on Day 2 when he's hardly interacted with anyone?
Hmmmmm? Where was that again?
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
Do you value my opinion, Gorlak
Flip a coin.
I found it remarkable that LP offered something more than usual at the beginning of the day, but I get the feeling this was to relieve the pressure early on and avoiding being in the coasting spotlight yet again. Null read. You haven't done much yourself and resorted to mechanic talks. Either you lack the ambition to do otherwise like you claim or you have insight in the mechanics so speculation isn't useless to you. This could mean PR or scum. There really isn't much of a difference I can gather from the two of you, but if you want me to choose right now, I'd go with you.
Inactives hurt the game badly. If town can't make up their minds about someone because they post too little, we will mislynch anyway. Might as well get rid of deadweight when we still have the time to.
We will have leads tomorrow, be it continued discussion flowing over from today or talk about the vote choices. Me arguing against inactives doesn't mean they'll be lynched asap. A majority still has to agree.
Who would you prefer to lynch instead? The actives? Sophia, Ty4on, Sawneeks, someone else? The ones driving discussion and enabling us to get reads from people? If we do that we will drop in activity a lot and nobody wants to go through that on purpose - except scum.
Blargonaut
Banned
Intention: They all wanna kill you
Reaction: To the possibility of death
Intention: To win
Reaction: The possibility of loss
Intention: Have fun
Reaction: The possibility of being bored
We're all triangle people here
Blargonaut
Banned
The misunderstanding.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
It's only Day 1 and you're talking about getting rid of deadweight? You're trying too hard.
Hard to say who I want to vote out right now. I could just leave it on Sophia since I won't be around for the deadline. I'm sure there will be lots of movement then.
Darryl highlighted Ty4on for something when, I felt, Sophia was the far more obvious choice. As far as I could figure there were 2 possible explanations for this:
1) Darryl read the situation completely differently to me, to the extent that he thought Ty4on was more guilty than Sophia of whatever it was. The most likely explanation here would be that Darryl was watching the situation with a different information set to me, i.e. Darryl and one of Sophia/Ty4on is scum.
2) Darryl noticed Sophia but had some specific reason for passing over her. His explanation for choosing Ty over Soph sounded reasonable to me.
It's still somewhat in the quote. The two, three posts of your discussion before that all show that Darryl thought you accused him of writing only fluff, but you didn't. He never fully acknowledged this and ended up in this depreciating view he voiced against you.
Speaking of Darryl, only thing I didn't like from him was his conversation with Sawneeks about Gorlak's vote on Roy.
He made some comment about liking the vote, and when pushed to justify himself it felt awkward, like he had made a careless comment and was now scrambling to justify it.
The bits in parenthesis are his explanation, added after the fact. It kind of fits but the whole conversation felt like a struggle.
It's not enough to make me scumread him, but if he does flip scum my gut says to look at Roy.
He made some comment about liking the vote, and when pushed to justify himself it felt awkward, like he had made a careless comment and was now scrambling to justify it.
The bits in parenthesis are his explanation, added after the fact. It kind of fits but the whole conversation felt like a struggle.
It's not enough to make me scumread him, but if he does flip scum my gut says to look at Roy.
Basically you don't care what's happening at the end of the day. It's not that we obviously have differing opinions on how to proceed but the plain apathy you show. Why would you be so indifferent?
I disagree, the explanation feels genuine to me. What is problematic however, is a missing follow up whatsoever. He liked the vote? Ah, he thinks there is something off with Roy than? But why did he never engage in a conversation with Roy and instead wastes his time with a (in my eyes) meaningless discussion with Fireblend?
Thanks. Did you ever misunderstand my post?
No, I don't think I did. Why?
Because Sophia made the same mistake.
**This section below was written last night, after post 542, but before post 548 for context**
Your misunderstanding reminds me of Darryl's. At first it reads like he understood it with his opening line about not needing to comment on fluff posts:
But deeper into the post is a line I didn't catch at first:
He seems to be making the same misunderstanding. As I kinda said I didn't catch this at first and asked him where I was using fluff as a filtering mechanism.
And zooming in:
**End**
I'm probably stretching, but my first thought was that it was a misconception that had been flying around in scum chat. It struck me as kinda weird when Darryl did it, but I didn't think much of it until I suddenly noticed Sophia seemingly making the exact same mistake.
I didn't post this at first because I wanted other people's thoughts on my statement, but nobody replied >_>
I was wondering why you were obsessing over that, to be honest.
I see what you're saying, but it doesn't seem unreasonable for multiple people to make the same mistake separately - especially after Darryl presented the mistake so assertively.
Also seems like a weird thing to be discussing in scum chat.
I see what you're saying, but it doesn't seem unreasonable for multiple people to make the same mistake separately - especially after Darryl presented the mistake so assertively.
Also seems like a weird thing to be discussing in scum chat.
Barrylocke
Member
General Impressions from reading through the day so far.
My immediate thing about Sophia that stuck out was her somewhat abrupt change in tone from her earlier more "poke-y" posting to this post:
But actually as I read her posts again I can see the progression from poking to getting irked by various behaviors (Nin sparing, El Topo's thoughts on post quality) and it feels believable. One thing that I think I'm looking for this time is changes in behavior and why that might be. I don't have as much of a meta knowledge bank as I think many other players have gotten at this point, so this seems like a more reliable tactic for me right now. A consistent less abrupt line of thought feels more like a null read, especially with a lack of hard evidence from roles or votes.
Kawl/Splinter and Fireblend got in on the Triangle nonsense to say that there was nothing there. I agree that there was nothing there, but I'm willing to suspect that a mafia member wouldnt hesitate to say this same opinion while it's a hot topic to defend people that definitely aren't mafia and get a voice out there on something beyond banter/lynch or no talk. I'd think stronger on this but the triangle talk didn't really last that long. It's still something to consider.
I made this post up right before I got out of work so I want to check those two out more along with whatever else comes to mind, but that's my initial thoughts so far.
My immediate thing about Sophia that stuck out was her somewhat abrupt change in tone from her earlier more "poke-y" posting to this post:
But actually as I read her posts again I can see the progression from poking to getting irked by various behaviors (Nin sparing, El Topo's thoughts on post quality) and it feels believable. One thing that I think I'm looking for this time is changes in behavior and why that might be. I don't have as much of a meta knowledge bank as I think many other players have gotten at this point, so this seems like a more reliable tactic for me right now. A consistent less abrupt line of thought feels more like a null read, especially with a lack of hard evidence from roles or votes.
Kawl/Splinter and Fireblend got in on the Triangle nonsense to say that there was nothing there. I agree that there was nothing there, but I'm willing to suspect that a mafia member wouldnt hesitate to say this same opinion while it's a hot topic to defend people that definitely aren't mafia and get a voice out there on something beyond banter/lynch or no talk. I'd think stronger on this but the triangle talk didn't really last that long. It's still something to consider.
I made this post up right before I got out of work so I want to check those two out more along with whatever else comes to mind, but that's my initial thoughts so far.
Helping Darryl forge a reply. Say one scum posted something like this in scum chat:
And the seed is sown. Scum reading that will now think I called him out for being fluffy because their perception is affected by that.
The scum planting the seed could have been anyone (including Sophia or Darryl), but I think both Sophia and Darryl would have been reading scum chat closely.
This is plausible, especially if she's been reading Darryl in-depth. I don't think she has though. One of the reasons why I group the two though is that they seem to avoid each other. This is the only post where Darryl quotes Sophia for instance.
Emphasis mine
Ok, I really don't like the way that sentence was worded and the stuff preceding and succeeding it. It really reads like a fake opinion with the weird back and forth from agreeing with the premise to saying it should be '''''''''''''''considered'''''''''''''''. Like someone doesn't want their hands dirty.
Anyhow, do you think scum would respond like that if there was a scum in the triangle?
Blargonaut
Banned
To be honest, I haven't been paying attention to this "Triangle" stuff
Is it important?
Who's involved
gist pls
Is it important?
Who's involved
gist pls
Blargonaut
Banned
I'd describe all posts concerning this "Triangle" as:
contrived
eye-glazing
and of delayed merit
IMO
contrived
eye-glazing
and of delayed merit
IMO
Who's standing the most out regarding the triangle? Like in a bad way. I mean people within the triangle, within the people discussing the triangle and within the people discussing the aforementioned people discussing the triangle.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
So you want me to move my vote?
melonrabbit
Member
Is this just a random vote to have on record or do you have some reason to back this up?
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
ahh dont worry bout it, i see now that i really overreacted.
Blargonaut
Banned
I'm not joking; literally, who is part of this Triangle? You? Darryl? What is it about this Triangle that has you all shook? What are you people talking about?
How did this even start, where, when did it start?
Barrylocke
Member
Alright, I'll unpack it a bit to clarify what I mean.
1. Kawl/Splinter and Fireblend as far as I saw were the main 2 who responded to the Sophia/Ty4on/Darryl thing to basically say "This 'connection' isn't as evident as UnmaskedFerret, melonrabbit, and (possibly?) Sawneeks make it out to be"
2. I also didn't personally see anything real with those 3 based on what's happened so far in the game. My reaction is that it's hours into game start and Sophia and Ty4on were among the first to get in the game and not shitpost and so they talked. Darryl chose to focus on Ty4on because they were taking on the old Day 1 lynch argument. It's barely even a V, let alone a triangle.
3. Mafia needs things to talk about to stay helpful seeming. The triangle train of thought is an early thing to talk about that's not "lynch or no?" Or "what's your favorite pokemon?"**. And its a weak argument that (I believe) mafia is likely to clearly see. I believe a mafia member would love to capitalize on that as an early (but safe) chance to give a "real" opinion on a non blah topic. I suppose this could be for the other 3 that thought the triangle was viable, but again, not viable seemed like the safer option. I suppose I felt less sure with my wording because only those 5 people seemed to say much on that (unless I missed something. I know Darryl stated negative feelingd but only after a lot of prodding). If this topic had gotten more discussion, then I'd feel a lot more certain.
Do I think scum would respond this way if scum (I assume you mean just one scum) was in the triangle? I won't lie...but I never considered this scenario >_>. I guess depending on the player it'd likely either be a hard no or a noncommittal no to seem open but doubtful. It's something to consider though, even if it makes parsing the reactions more complicated now.
**(It's Totodile btw, not Golbat, despite my sexily dark avatar)
I talked a bit with Sophia, voted for her, then Darryl voted for me and I attacked him. I later grouped Sophia and Darryl together saying both of them in the same was too obvious. Then Ferret made this post which I think was the first mention of it being a triangle.
Blargonaut
Banned
That's it?
Well it's pretty abridged, but basically yeah. You can read the posts preceding Ferret calling it a triangle. There aren't many.
melonrabbit
Member
Part 1.
Part 2.
Part 3.
Final 4:
Ty4on [m]
Before I started these more in-depth reads I was already of the opinion that our Triangle participants were more likely than not Town. Ty4on has been other one of leaders in the discussion. He isnt afraid to stand out or go after people. The majority of D1, he has spent arguing with Darryl or tunneling on Sophia and while I do not agree with him on his gut feeling of Sophia being scum. I do think his given suffice reasoning behind his opinions and read. Moreover, I do see him falling into the trap of Mr. Town like in Danny Phantom where he was almost too helpful. Town.
Unmasked Ferret [m]
Initially, Ferret was the one to bring the Triangle debacle to my attention. Not a red flag in of itself it was a little worrying that when asked in return he was indifferent towards his question. This troubled me and hadnt gone unnoticed by others, such as LP would later pointed it out. Has faded to the background since the discussion of Ty-Sophia-Darryl died down. Leaning Scum.
Verelios [m] and Ynnek7 [m]: I would like to say something about these two but nothing has really stood out for most of the D1. Verelios vote on Sawneeks strikes me a little odd and there was an attempt by Verelios to discuss game mechanics. Definitely people I want to watch a little more closely on D2. Very null on these two, which is worrying because I thought there would be more.
After reviewing my reads and catching up with the thread this where Im at towards the end of the day.
Top Town - L_P, Stanley, Sophia, and Darryl
Top Scum - El Topo, Fireblend, Nin, Christina Mackenzie
VOTE: El Topo
*willing to shift my vote should we decide to go lynching an inactive route on D1 or in the case of a tie.
Part 2.
Part 3.
Final 4:
Ty4on [m]
Before I started these more in-depth reads I was already of the opinion that our Triangle participants were more likely than not Town. Ty4on has been other one of leaders in the discussion. He isnt afraid to stand out or go after people. The majority of D1, he has spent arguing with Darryl or tunneling on Sophia and while I do not agree with him on his gut feeling of Sophia being scum. I do think his given suffice reasoning behind his opinions and read. Moreover, I do see him falling into the trap of Mr. Town like in Danny Phantom where he was almost too helpful. Town.
Unmasked Ferret [m]
Initially, Ferret was the one to bring the Triangle debacle to my attention. Not a red flag in of itself it was a little worrying that when asked in return he was indifferent towards his question. This troubled me and hadnt gone unnoticed by others, such as LP would later pointed it out. Has faded to the background since the discussion of Ty-Sophia-Darryl died down. Leaning Scum.
Verelios [m] and Ynnek7 [m]: I would like to say something about these two but nothing has really stood out for most of the D1. Verelios vote on Sawneeks strikes me a little odd and there was an attempt by Verelios to discuss game mechanics. Definitely people I want to watch a little more closely on D2. Very null on these two, which is worrying because I thought there would be more.
After reviewing my reads and catching up with the thread this where Im at towards the end of the day.
Top Town - L_P, Stanley, Sophia, and Darryl
Top Scum - El Topo, Fireblend, Nin, Christina Mackenzie
VOTE: El Topo
*willing to shift my vote should we decide to go lynching an inactive route on D1 or in the case of a tie.
Blargonaut
Banned
What do you, Sophia and Darryl think of each other?
melonrabbit
Member
Darryl thinks Ty is scum
Ty thinks Sophia is scum
And Sophia thinks Ty is maybe scum.
Blargonaut
Banned
What do each of you think about the other's accusations?
Blargonaut
Banned
ah ok, TY
Is this accurate, Ty4on? Sophia? Darryl?
so both Darryl and Sophia think Ty4on is scum, Sophia a little less so, and Ty4on thinks Sophia is scum
What are Darryl's and Sophia's opinions of each other? And what does Ty4on think of Darryl?
Huh. Interesting.
I don't think I'd vote for any of these. Maaaaaybe CM, but mostly because he's more of a null.
Sorta. I think Sophia is scum, she's my top scum read, but I also think Darryl is scum, he's next in my scum list.
melonrabbit
Member
Darryl thinks Sophia is top town and I honestly don't recall Sophia's read on Darryl.