melonrabbit
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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em Scum!
- Thread starter Burbeting
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You're null on all four?
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
oh so im not going crazy, this really is all kinda over nothing.
well, not nothing. but not as much as many seem to be making it out to be.
magikarp into gyarados.
jesus i felt like i was missing something big, but couldn't for the life of me find it.
(a typo made here makes me wish karkador was in this game, we could have called him magikark, lol)
replace "scum" with "cute" and this all starts to sounds like a teen soap-opera melodrama.
i think we should all post our otp's and scumhunt based off of those.
I'm not up to date, I've been away most of yesterday, but I wanted to address the nonsense that was posted by Sophia earlier on Page 4 (100PPP).
You immediately jumped to his defense and claimed that he was contributing.
#287
You praised his "fairly decent" observation on Unmasked Ferret that "nobody else made". That's quite a euphemism for a simple quotation and accusing UF of a "non-commital backpedal". I don't agree with your assessment of #262 either. You further refused to explain how these posts brought us forward/contributed.
I feel like it is dishonest to react like that and then at the same time try to backtrack by downplaying his supposed contributions, as if you are trying to cover all bases.
That is vicious lie. I took a clear stance against LP for calling out posters on coasting barely into D1 and for providing empty reads, notably Gorlak and Royal_Flush (as mentioned by me in #292) . Please explicitly quote where I claimed that all players are doing nothing.
At no point did I claim anything else. Please explicitly quote where I claimed that reads or opinions were useless.
What I have done, in almost every game I think, is express my distaste for reading too much into D1 behavior (without having something to back it up, i.e. on later days) and in this particular case for providing empty reads, i.e. for not taking a clear stance or for backtracking to have an excuse for later, something which you did and even admit (#287, admitted in #302). This, see below, also includes read lists.
You talk about value, but you don't explain yourself or back up your claims. The problem is not that read lists are fluff, the problem is that players just claim reads and opinions without backing themselves up (by explicitly referring posts), even moreso on D1, where we have little to work with. Furthermore lists don't involve taking an actual stance and there are many, many examples where read lists provided no value whatsoever. Lists allow players to hide and later have something to show their "contributions".
Reads are great, read lists are garbage.
It is not about trust, it is about taking clear stances and consistent, reasonable behavior. We can only trust those that are confirmed, anyone else is in principle fair game. Consistent behavior allows us to more reasonably estimate how other players behave and what their motivations are, which allows us to make potentially better decisions. Your statement is also a bit weird regarding #302.
I like how you don't answer my question or address the posts, but just use them to make yourself seem more like town. That's not very helpful. For all my criticism of LP, which were mostly about his bullshit coasting accusation, at least he put a vote down on UF. Even more amusing is that you call out players to participate, but seem to hate the idea of players having to explain themselves.
This is such an empty statement. Hey, I can top that. I would rather see us lynch scum, than have you lead a mob against town players that don't follow your bizarre and nonsensical idea of "good" behavior.
This is complete bullshit. Day 1 matters, but trying to read too much into Day 1 behavior (at least without additional information) is nonsense. It's simply not backed up by anything. You claim you want to catch scum, but your actions don't indicate that.
(Note that this post was solely up to P4 100PPP, I still have to further read what has unfolded since.)
#276
You immediately jumped to his defense and claimed that he was contributing.
#287
You praised his "fairly decent" observation on Unmasked Ferret that "nobody else made". That's quite a euphemism for a simple quotation and accusing UF of a "non-commital backpedal". I don't agree with your assessment of #262 either. You further refused to explain how these posts brought us forward/contributed.
I feel like it is dishonest to react like that and then at the same time try to backtrack by downplaying his supposed contributions, as if you are trying to cover all bases.
That is vicious lie. I took a clear stance against LP for calling out posters on coasting barely into D1 and for providing empty reads, notably Gorlak and Royal_Flush (as mentioned by me in #292) . Please explicitly quote where I claimed that all players are doing nothing.
At no point did I claim anything else. Please explicitly quote where I claimed that reads or opinions were useless.
What I have done, in almost every game I think, is express my distaste for reading too much into D1 behavior (without having something to back it up, i.e. on later days) and in this particular case for providing empty reads, i.e. for not taking a clear stance or for backtracking to have an excuse for later, something which you did and even admit (#287, admitted in #302). This, see below, also includes read lists.
You talk about value, but you don't explain yourself or back up your claims. The problem is not that read lists are fluff, the problem is that players just claim reads and opinions without backing themselves up (by explicitly referring posts), even moreso on D1, where we have little to work with. Furthermore lists don't involve taking an actual stance and there are many, many examples where read lists provided no value whatsoever. Lists allow players to hide and later have something to show their "contributions".
Reads are great, read lists are garbage.
It is not about trust, it is about taking clear stances and consistent, reasonable behavior. We can only trust those that are confirmed, anyone else is in principle fair game. Consistent behavior allows us to more reasonably estimate how other players behave and what their motivations are, which allows us to make potentially better decisions. Your statement is also a bit weird regarding #302.
I like how you don't answer my question or address the posts, but just use them to make yourself seem more like town. That's not very helpful. For all my criticism of LP, which were mostly about his bullshit coasting accusation, at least he put a vote down on UF. Even more amusing is that you call out players to participate, but seem to hate the idea of players having to explain themselves.
This is such an empty statement. Hey, I can top that. I would rather see us lynch scum, than have you lead a mob against town players that don't follow your bizarre and nonsensical idea of "good" behavior.
This is complete bullshit. Day 1 matters, but trying to read too much into Day 1 behavior (at least without additional information) is nonsense. It's simply not backed up by anything. You claim you want to catch scum, but your actions don't indicate that.
(Note that this post was solely up to P4 100PPP, I still have to further read what has unfolded since.)
Christina Mackenzie
Member
So in your read list you have 5 players whom you read as scum
You listed me as a null but wary but somehow it's enough to warrant pushing me pass both Bronx-man and Unmasked Ferret into your top scum list. Did you even read what you wrote?
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
well, im about to go sleep, so i wont be here for the days end (and this is going to be a recurring theme).
looks like my vote will be staying on bronx-man.
i didn't really intend for that vote to be going through to the lynch, i just wanted activity, but he still hasn't delivered, so in the absence of any strong scum reads my vote will be staying on him.
but, before i go,
Top Town: Splinter, Melonwabbit, Sophia,
Top Scum: bronx-man, El Topo, Nin1000
(was tempted to say CM, but i think im too biased on that right now.)
naturally these are pretty tenuous reads, but hey, first impressions are important.
looks like my vote will be staying on bronx-man.
i didn't really intend for that vote to be going through to the lynch, i just wanted activity, but he still hasn't delivered, so in the absence of any strong scum reads my vote will be staying on him.
but, before i go,
Top Town: Splinter, Melonwabbit, Sophia,
Top Scum: bronx-man, El Topo, Nin1000
(was tempted to say CM, but i think im too biased on that right now.)
naturally these are pretty tenuous reads, but hey, first impressions are important.
Barrylocke
Member
Oh shit...I didn't realize the day ended in 4 hours until I read this...good thing I didn't go to sleep myself then.
melonrabbit
Member
No. I plagiarized from Hyper.
Your recent conduct has moved you up in the world. Congratulations.
My reaction is perfectly logical. Calling out players (with more posts at that matter) for coasting barely into Day 1 is utter nonsense. Providing empty posts (notably #292) is not helpful either. The best thing* LP did was cast a vote, but that's about it.
*Until this post/page 4. Still catching up.
Please elaborate how taking a stance against you, explaining myself in multiple posts and casting a vote against you is masquerade. This is utter nonsense.
That is simply a lie. Please explicitly post where I stated that I favored quantity over quality. Clearly this is not the case with #271/275, so please back up that statement.
That is another lie. Please explicitly post where I expressed that we should look at Sophia.
I called out LP for his garbage (see my post #271/275) and I responded to those that immediately jumped to his defense, notably Sophia (#281/290), roy (#288) and Blarg (#293).
This is a ludicrous way to frame the events, at least regarding me. Please explain where I said that we should look at Sophia.
(Note that this post, as my others so far today, refers to the events from P4 and P5 100PPP.)
First thought: I don't like the fact that Melonrabbit suddenly shifted her vote to El Topo when there's some dead air surrounding El Topo. He seems to be the only person defending himself, and actually doing a decent job from a quick glance.
Second thought:
That's because I haven't provided a very strong read of Darryl. If you must know, he's a bit of a null read right now, leaning ever so slightly townish.
Second thought:
That's because I haven't provided a very strong read of Darryl. If you must know, he's a bit of a null read right now, leaning ever so slightly townish.
Blargonaut
Banned
yo who wants to play a fucking game
ARE YOU READY
ARE YOU READY
Quick break from catching up.
If you were mafia, would you defend a common player on Day 1? That seems very risky. I think I would rather cast suspicion on other players and subtly try to shift the discussion away from the teammate.
Note: I am town, but I don't think whether or not someone is defending me is indicative of my alignment. What is important, if I get lynched today (no idea of the vote count), is that town gains as much information as possible.
If you were mafia, would you defend a common player on Day 1? That seems very risky. I think I would rather cast suspicion on other players and subtly try to shift the discussion away from the teammate.
Note: I am town, but I don't think whether or not someone is defending me is indicative of my alignment. What is important, if I get lynched today (no idea of the vote count), is that town gains as much information as possible.
Just woke up and read over the thread during breakfast. Here's some thoughts since we're nearing the end of the day and I don't know how much connection I'll have where I'm heading today.
Nothing has really made me change my view that lynching an inactive or fluff player would be best.
Top Town for me would be:
Sophia - I just don't see her playing very differently from other games nor has she done anything that sticks out to me. Plus we want to keep someone as active as her around.
Darryl - Same as above. His slamming against me was odd but he explained how he justified it and although I think he went on about it a bit too long he's initial argument was sensical. Plus, since scum has wanted to keep me around in recent games (and given my track record that's been a decent strategy) part of me doubts scum would have me as a target this early on in the game
Third place is tricky, there's people I just wouldnt want to lynch now like Stan or Gorlak, based on activity and contributions. I'm gonna go with Gorlak for third place though. Stan's avatar is too creepy to be 100% good.
Top scum:
As I said I'd focus on inactives, maybe excluding Barrylocke since he came in midgame and he seems to be chiming in now.
Bronx - I don't think this is how I've seen him play. He has barely posted and what he has projects hesitation rather than trying to be useful. He's had votes on him and barely reacted, and I don't think keeping inactives around is of any use to town.
Ynnek - A textbook case of an inactive poster. His posts that stand out the most to me are two of them in which he praises other people's posts, which struck me as odd. His last post of note was a very generic vote on Bronx with little justification which he said could change "if anyone gave a good argument" for that. So, a weak vote he's already looking for an excuse to switch.
A tie between CM and Salva; I've noticed their posts but I don't think I can relate them to any major conversation or anything other than other players stating they're coasting and suspicious. Christina posted about mechanics recently which I'd already mentioned to Dusk was default cover for scum. CM had this pointed out to him and went back into the shadows. Salva on the other hand doesn't seem to have posted anything of value so far? Seems almost Blarg-lite in how disconnected he feels from the game.
Since out of these only one player is without votes, I'll place mine there to keep the end of the day interesting.
Vote: Ynnek
Nothing has really made me change my view that lynching an inactive or fluff player would be best.
Top Town for me would be:
Sophia - I just don't see her playing very differently from other games nor has she done anything that sticks out to me. Plus we want to keep someone as active as her around.
Darryl - Same as above. His slamming against me was odd but he explained how he justified it and although I think he went on about it a bit too long he's initial argument was sensical. Plus, since scum has wanted to keep me around in recent games (and given my track record that's been a decent strategy) part of me doubts scum would have me as a target this early on in the game
Third place is tricky, there's people I just wouldnt want to lynch now like Stan or Gorlak, based on activity and contributions. I'm gonna go with Gorlak for third place though. Stan's avatar is too creepy to be 100% good.
Top scum:
As I said I'd focus on inactives, maybe excluding Barrylocke since he came in midgame and he seems to be chiming in now.
Bronx - I don't think this is how I've seen him play. He has barely posted and what he has projects hesitation rather than trying to be useful. He's had votes on him and barely reacted, and I don't think keeping inactives around is of any use to town.
Ynnek - A textbook case of an inactive poster. His posts that stand out the most to me are two of them in which he praises other people's posts, which struck me as odd. His last post of note was a very generic vote on Bronx with little justification which he said could change "if anyone gave a good argument" for that. So, a weak vote he's already looking for an excuse to switch.
A tie between CM and Salva; I've noticed their posts but I don't think I can relate them to any major conversation or anything other than other players stating they're coasting and suspicious. Christina posted about mechanics recently which I'd already mentioned to Dusk was default cover for scum. CM had this pointed out to him and went back into the shadows. Salva on the other hand doesn't seem to have posted anything of value so far? Seems almost Blarg-lite in how disconnected he feels from the game.
Since out of these only one player is without votes, I'll place mine there to keep the end of the day interesting.
Vote: Ynnek
Barrylocke
Member
Why is that interesting, besides "hmm, he didn't think, lol"?
Blargonaut
Banned
ALRIGHT
Who here wants to make this here Triangle of ours, into a 3-way Thunder...triangle?
with a twist
Despite myself, do you know why you players really keep me around?
It's because I'm fearless, yeah? If anyone else were to suggest what I'm about to suggest, they'd get policy-lynched ASAP, pfffft-
I want everyone (as many ppl as possible) to UNVOTE NOW, right now. Doesn't matter who you're currently voting against (well, to me, at least) ((yeah, I know how saying that looks)) (((don't care, scrubs; your old votes are still there for everyone to peruse for vote patterns later, k. The usual last-minute votespam hell is an unreadable Muk anyway. This is the end, this is now)))
THEN, out of all 23 of us, we ONLY let Ty4on, Sophia and Darryl vote Today, let them decide who's out D1. Doesn't even have to be between the three of them; they can vote against anyone, even vote against the ones who still have remaining votes on them from AWOL players, but ideally, we let them sort out this Triangle mess entirely by themselves:
3 votes.
1 dies.
And, whoever's here at Day end, can intervene in the last 2 minutes if it's looking to end up a tie
k?
UNVOTE: SalvaPot
Who here wants to make this here Triangle of ours, into a 3-way Thunder...triangle?
with a twist
Despite myself, do you know why you players really keep me around?
It's because I'm fearless, yeah? If anyone else were to suggest what I'm about to suggest, they'd get policy-lynched ASAP, pfffft-
I want everyone (as many ppl as possible) to UNVOTE NOW, right now. Doesn't matter who you're currently voting against (well, to me, at least) ((yeah, I know how saying that looks)) (((don't care, scrubs; your old votes are still there for everyone to peruse for vote patterns later, k. The usual last-minute votespam hell is an unreadable Muk anyway. This is the end, this is now)))
THEN, out of all 23 of us, we ONLY let Ty4on, Sophia and Darryl vote Today, let them decide who's out D1. Doesn't even have to be between the three of them; they can vote against anyone, even vote against the ones who still have remaining votes on them from AWOL players, but ideally, we let them sort out this Triangle mess entirely by themselves:
3 votes.
1 dies.
And, whoever's here at Day end, can intervene in the last 2 minutes if it's looking to end up a tie
k?
TRUEL
TRUEL
TRUEL
UNVOTE: SalvaPot
melonrabbit
Member
I wouldn't call it a sudden shift. El Topo has been one of my top scum since I started doing my reads. Also, leaving my ceremonial vote on Splinter just doesn't make sense. El Topo has only become active after receiving the majority of the votes mere hours before deadline.
Indeed. That question is one I'm asking myself right now.
More than that tho, the other question I'm asking myself is "Is there dead air surrounding El Topo because his scum partners are distancing himself, or is it because we're on the wrong track?"
Also, while I disagree with your commentary regarding LP, you do make very valid points regarding the two bolded requested, and I have cold feet on a vote against you right now.
Have you thought this out well, Blarg?
Hmm... fair enough, I guess. Although, at a quick glance and in fairness to El Topo, this does seem to be the timeframe in which he is usually active.
*goes back to read more*
Blargonaut
Banned
Christina Mackenzie
Member
UNVOTE
I don't think you're mafia for now but I'm not sure who to put my vote on either. Bronx-man is too easy, I'm sure Burbeting will settle it for the start of Day 2. El Topo and nin1000 seem to be easy targets for lynch mainly due to being null read, a common theme in most reads.
Anyways it's bedtime. I'd rather not vote than put one out there with little thought or reason behind it.
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
WHERE ARE THE PLAYERS I ONCE KNEW
WHERE ARE THE FOOLS
THIS IS INTELLECTUAL BLOODSPORT, FRIENDS
IS THIS NOT WHY WE ARE HERE?
LET THEM FIGHT
WHERE ARE THE FOOLS
THIS IS INTELLECTUAL BLOODSPORT, FRIENDS
IS THIS NOT WHY WE ARE HERE?
LET THEM FIGHT
Fine, I'll entertain you Blarg.
Four votes.
Double: Blargonaut
Are you sure you thought this out well?
Four votes.
Double: Blargonaut
Are you sure you thought this out well?
Woo! Unless I'm remembering incorrectly, that's the first vote I've ever had against me. Thanks Fireblend!
Posting to let you know I'm still here and reading.
When I said I'd be willing to change my vote if someone had a good arguement, I meant just that. I'm realizing I'm not that good at reading people (for now), so if someone gave a compelling arguement for a lynch it would be something I'd look into as well.
I was also mainly hoping that adding another vote onto Bronx would motivate him to come back.
Posting to let you know I'm still here and reading.
When I said I'd be willing to change my vote if someone had a good arguement, I meant just that. I'm realizing I'm not that good at reading people (for now), so if someone gave a compelling arguement for a lynch it would be something I'd look into as well.
I was also mainly hoping that adding another vote onto Bronx would motivate him to come back.
Blargonaut
Banned
melonrabbit
Member
Started with this:
Your immediate response was:
Followed by a vote:
Sophia came into the conversation shortly thereafter:
And you respond to her was:
and later you followed it up with this:
Again, as Ive stated, Im not sure why the all hostility.
LP made some valid points and until being called out your post were basically one liners that had nothing to do with the game. For pages. And sure, you can feel these points were reaching and weren't justified considering how laid back D1 can be, especially in the first half. BUT coming out of the gate so defensive is strange to me. Continuing the name-dropping of Sophia is strange to me. Coasting for pages after the LP/Sophia stuff died and suddenly popping up hours before deadline is strange to me.
And your defense towards my read on you is to call be an outright liar?
Also, I think the fact you are responding to me at all says lot. You hardly had the time of day for anyone in PiS and I had a vote on you for like a day in that thread and you never responded to me or my questions.
Suddenly now you engaging with people and no one is having to play chase with you? It all seems a little hollow.
Blargonaut
Banned
aaaaand with this move right after, now I don't BELIEVE you
Overwriting your Doublevote that fast, seems to me like you were just trying to intimidate me and others into backing off, see
Either you admit your Doublevote is a bluff, Soph, or you keep it on me or someone else until the Bear gets here to possibly say, "No fake highlight tag use pls" and/or someone posts an automated Vote Count to confirm it was legit or not
Blargonaut
Banned
actually, the stricken-out Doublevote should show up under my name right now, shouldn't it? We don't gotta wait for the official Bear
Royal_Flush, do the thing
Royal_Flush, do the thing
It's legit. Burb won't be saying that, and it's already on the vote tool.
Are you a Doduo?
Blargonaut
Banned
It's legit. Burb won't be saying that, and it's already on the vote tool.
ha!
nice try
I won't believe you 'til I see it here in thread
because I don't know how to operate his infernal machine ¬_¬
Blargonaut
Banned
BLARGONAUT WANT VOTE COUNT
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Blargonaut
Banned
well I'll be damned, TY
lol, how do you expect to survive past Tonight, Soph?
You know, I really can't think of a good reason why a Doublevoter would reveal themselves like that this early... unless you're not a Townie Doublevoter, see
There's not even much vote heat on you at the moment, so
why? Why right now, Soph
-y?
Barrylocke
Member
El Topo, what games have you played in prior? I could have sworn we were in something together and I wanted to check something but I don't remember what game it was or if I imagined it. I thought it was Disney Princess but apparently not.
Blargonaut
Banned
To give you something to talk about instead of a silly thunderdrome idea.
But with your kind of power; if you had partaken in the Thundertriangle, you would have OHKO'd them, you could've OHKO'd ANYONE at your fingertips
the power, Sophia...
You had the high ground
the high ground
melonrabbit
Member
This is exactly what I said. Sure.
Are you planning on responding to anything about what I've said to you or are you just going to throw around the word "lying" and "liar"?
Cute summary.
Blargonaut
Banned
Can you explain the last one for me, El Topo? I'm a bit out of it, and I'm not sure what you mean by her lying?
We were in the original mafia game.