... did you even pay attention to Day 1 and 2?
Yes, you didn't use it on Day 1. As you have yourself confirmed previously...
You used it Day 2 as confirmed by the final vote count. You can't use it Day 3.
Stop trying to spread confusion.
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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em Scum!
- Thread starter Burbeting
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Yes, you didn't use it on Day 1. As you have yourself confirmed previously...
You used it Day 2 as confirmed by the final vote count. You can't use it Day 3.
Stop trying to spread confusion.
Don't give me this whiny attitude. If you are town fight through it and convince me.
Right now you simply deflect the suspicion with an emotional answer. First you made fun of my argument with a question, now you completely ignored it.
I don't know if you're Scum, that's the problem. On one hand I think you are given your odd actions involving your Doublevote, previous conversations, and now with this whole Trainer thing but on the other...I'm incredibly uncertain. I was wrong about Royal and my uncertain feeling about Topo was wrong as well. Normally my gut is pretty accurate but it hasn't been lately and I don't know if I should trust it anymore, including my read on you.
I need to think on this.
No worries, take your time. c:
But look, there were 2 separate ideas being considered in your post:
A) All trainers are town
B) All catchable Pokemon are town
The topic you were responding to was about A, but then you introduced B, dismissed it, and said that therefore A is unlikely to be true. Basically:
Is A true?
Well, A and B together would be silly, so I think A is false.
What about A without B? B is silly on its own, so I'm struggling to understand why you introduced it, and what bearing it has on the likelihood of A.
To put it (yet another) way, you've said
"B is true implies A is false"
But B is almost certainly not true, and you didn't mention A without B.
Emotional answer?
Gorlak your entire vote is based upon a silly conclusion based upon the idea that I might not be in a Pokemon team, despite the fact that it clearly matches up with what El Topo says and I gain little to lie about it.
Meanwhile, we're letting Blarg just do as he pleases and chase mysterious breadcrumb butterflies instead of scum hunting or logic. Because hey, he's Blarg!
To say nothing of Sawneeks, who apparently scum reads me enough to jump to some equally silly conclusion. But she doesn't scum read me enough to vote for me, so whatever.
And then you've got TheGoddamn who tosses random votes on me but doesn't seem to vote anywhere else. SalvaPot, who spent most of Day 1 being a poor imitation of Blarg. Dusk Soldier, whom is so passive I forget he's even in the game. And I don't even need to speak of CM, who I already made a post on last night with their rampant speculation and theorycrafting, and who's votes and speculation on me look oddly similar to what you and Sawneeks just did.
But whatever. I don't care anymore. I'm getting too frustrated playing this and it's bad for my health, so good luck to whoever replaces me.
*removes subscription*
Excuse me? If you didn't understand why would you comply? When you didn't even question it I assumed you had understood my reasons.
And there was nothing "policy lynch" about it. If you had been unduly protective of your double vote that would point strongly to you being neutral/scum, and I'd have been accordingly suspicious.
Yes, an overly emotional answer without reacting to my actual post. It seems you don't even understand what I'm bringing up against you because...
You're in the wrong again. I did not even once mentioned anything related to you being caught or not. That's not the point I'm making.
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I'm sorry if you feel the need to drop out.
StarSketch
Banned
Wow you guys won't even give me a chance to finish reading, rude.
No.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Please keep your expectations low. I'll be out today, but I'll try to catch up and comment on stuff later tonight. bbl.
melonrabbit
Member
Sophia, I had fun playing with you. Feel better <3.
Welcome, Star.
What Pokémon are you?
Welcome, Star.
What Pokémon are you?
melonrabbit
Member
unvote
VOTE: StarSketch
VOTE: StarSketch
StarSketch
Banned
Piplup.
I have no idea what Sophia was doing with the Darryl thing day 1, Darryl's posts seem the same as usual to me. Then again I'm pretty sure Sophia is more perceptive than I am >.>;
Hi Star, let me know if you feel Darryl was off day 1 in retrospect. My reads are so messed up with the NK's.
Dusk Soldier
Member
VOTE: Starsketch
This trainer is a roleblocker, a typical scum ability.
Starsketch, give his/her name up or we have no reason to believe you are even town.
Dusk Soldier
Member
No games, no reads, no bullshit.
It's already D3, we don't have time to waste with this.
It's already D3, we don't have time to waste with this.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
hmm, i just gots me an idea
Double: StanleyPalmtree
Double: StanleyPalmtree
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
also hi again people.
as far as actually playing mafia goes i have no goddamn clue right now since both my scum suspicions flipped town in one night, making me severely doubt pretty much every read i had going.
as far as actually playing mafia goes i have no goddamn clue right now since both my scum suspicions flipped town in one night, making me severely doubt pretty much every read i had going.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
Dusk Soldier
Member
Stan, just vote for Starsketch
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO!
You can't use that command. Please edit it immediately.
StarSketch
Banned
I got to around page 10 before I a) burnt out and b) had to go do something.
There's not a lot of committal in general from what I saw of D1, though.
What if
Roleblocking is -gasp- An ability attached to every trainer :O
Because, you know. It is. I think. The PM I got seems to imply it is.
StarSketch
Banned
Oh, wait Topo brought that up. Derp.
But yeah, I'm having trouble understanding why you need me to out this person when it's totally possible they're town.
But yeah, I'm having trouble understanding why you need me to out this person when it's totally possible they're town.
StarSketch
Banned
I'll get back to you about Darryl when I actually finish reading D1.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
yeah, i figured as much.
unvote
unvote
Dusk Soldier
Member
It's not. Ty4on was killed N2, and was revealed to be a pokemon trainer.
He had no access to team chat. His pokemon had no clue about his identity. And their abilities weren't blocked.
It's an ability unique to your trainer. A town roleblocker has no way to know if their targets are town or scum. And sharing a chat with it's targets means that as soon as they hit a scum player, they are likely to be killed in retaliation.
You're currently sitting at 4 votes, which is not good for you since everyone else who hit 4 votes in this game has been lynched.
Are you going to protect this player at the expense of your game?
Just give us the name.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
I wish I knew what you were trying to do there Stan.
Dusk that last post looked kinda extortiony, which is kinda funny.
Dusk that last post looked kinda extortiony, which is kinda funny.
Owh
I hope you feel better soon sophia!
Meanwhile: Star, both sophia and el topo seemed pretty convinced your trainer was town based on interactions in the chat. Do you agree with their assessment?
Alright, let me rephrase my line of thought:
There are 4 possible options:
A) all trainers are town, not all catchable pokemon are town
B) not all trainers are town, all catchable pokemon are town
C) all trainers are town, all catchable pokemon are town
D) not all trainers are town, not all catchable pokemon are town
My reasoning is that from a balance perspective, C) seems unlikely. That leaves A, B and D as options. Out of those, D) seems the most likely to me from a game design perspective, but I admit that is just speculation, from a balance perspective, A) and B) are still possible.
Is a roleblocker a typical scum ability though? I can name two games (Archer and Disney princesses) where a town roleblocker helped to wreck scum. Honestly, Topo-trainer being part of his/her own chat and thus revealing their name to their caught pokemon kinda makes sense if they are a town roleblocker, since catching scum outing them balances that role a bit.
I hope you feel better soon sophia!
Meanwhile: Star, both sophia and el topo seemed pretty convinced your trainer was town based on interactions in the chat. Do you agree with their assessment?
Alright, let me rephrase my line of thought:
There are 4 possible options:
A) all trainers are town, not all catchable pokemon are town
B) not all trainers are town, all catchable pokemon are town
C) all trainers are town, all catchable pokemon are town
D) not all trainers are town, not all catchable pokemon are town
My reasoning is that from a balance perspective, C) seems unlikely. That leaves A, B and D as options. Out of those, D) seems the most likely to me from a game design perspective, but I admit that is just speculation, from a balance perspective, A) and B) are still possible.
Doing these thought exercises while having a hangover is fun!.....no it's not
Is a roleblocker a typical scum ability though? I can name two games (Archer and Disney princesses) where a town roleblocker helped to wreck scum. Honestly, Topo-trainer being part of his/her own chat and thus revealing their name to their caught pokemon kinda makes sense if they are a town roleblocker, since catching scum outing them balances that role a bit.
Dusk Soldier
Member
The thing that makes me doubt it though is that a town role-blocker usually has the ability to block the night kill, which this trainer doesn't seem to have.Owh
I hope you feel better soon sophia!
Meanwhile: Star, both sophia and el topo seemed pretty convinced your trainer was town based on interactions in the chat. Do you agree with their assessment?
Alright, let me rephrase my line of thought:
There are 4 possible options:
A) all trainers are town, not all catchable pokemon are town
B) not all trainers are town, all catchable pokemon are town
C) all trainers are town, all catchable pokemon are town
D) not all trainers are town, not all catchable pokemon are town
My reasoning is that from a balance perspective, C) seems unlikely. That leaves A, B and D as options. Out of those, D) seems the most likely to me from a game design perspective, but I admit that is just speculation, from a balance perspective, A) and B) are still possible.
Doing these thought exercises while having a hangover is fun!.....no it's not
Is a roleblocker a typical scum ability though? I can name two games (Archer and Disney princesses) where a town roleblocker helped to wreck scum. Honestly, Topo-trainer being part of his/her own chat and thus revealing their name to their caught pokemon kinda makes sense if they are a town roleblocker, since catching scum outing them balances that role a bit.
And since they block everyone they catch, if they did block the night kill that means they could potentially win the game by catching the whole scum team.
Just don't see the utility to town, without the ability to block the night kill. And since they block multiple people simultaneously and seemingly indefinitely it sounds like too powerful a role to leave in play. They could end up catching and blocking a pivotal town role.
How can this trainer role benefit town?
Wait, how does it seem Topo-trainer doesn't have the ability to block the night kill? Do we have any indication that this is the case?
I will say it is indeed unlikely Topo-trainer has the ability to just remove the scum kills completely from the game. There is probably something in place to prevent that (if he/she is town of course).
StarSketch
Banned
Being able to
a) block town players
B) get information from said players via mason chat
C) still perform night kills
With 0 penalty seems a bit broken. But what do I know about game balance
a) block town players
B) get information from said players via mason chat
C) still perform night kills
With 0 penalty seems a bit broken. But what do I know about game balance
Dusk Soldier
Member
I'll admit I've been burned before by making assumptions about game mechanics.
I just don't see how this ability can benefit town. What if they capture the cop or the doctor? Wouldn't that mean that we lose those abilities for the rest of the game?
Unless there's something obvious I'm not seeing. I don't see the utility of this pokemon trainer.
The most useful ability for a town role blocker is the ability to stop the scum kill. But in order to do so, this trainer has to give up their identity, making them an easy target for scum.
I just don't believe this trainer is town. Nothing about this role seems town friendly.
What does your PM say? Will captured players get their ability back if the trainer is killed? Or are these abilities gone for good?
Dusk Soldier
Member
Yeah, usually when a scum player has an ability. They can't perform the night kill, and their ability the same night.
Game moderators will often make an exception when scum is down to their last player though.
Why vote Roy? It was me that brought it up.
And this conversation on the last half page is more important to you than the rest of the game?
Ok.
I haven't caught up on the rest of the game yet. Thought I could do it yesterday, but slowly fell asleep. It was just the last post by roy I reacted to.
I mean, it's day 3. Your "hot reaction" to a small but admittedly fruitless conversation looks more opportunist than anything.
Well, there is a penalty. Topo-trainer automatically outs himself to anyone he blocks. That means that if someone is for example an outed cop, a scum Topo-trainer couldn't block them, that would be suicide. Of course, the reverse is also true and if Topo-trainer is town, blocking a scum would be suicide.
BTW, could you answer my question? Topo and sophia both said that they believed Topo-trainer was town based on interactions in the chat. Do you agree?
Trying to figure out if Topo-trainer is likely to be scum or not is unimportant to you? That seems to be the main talking point today. So why signal me out?
Yeah, I'll vote anything if I'm looking opportunistic by it. Vote me if you think it's odd or shut up and try to find scum.
I think roy could be scum.
Same goes for Sophia/StarSketch whose replacement is a big downer and part of why I didn't continue to catch up yesterday (aside from my sleepiness) ~ anything more from me should be hold back until postgame, I guess.
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Anyway I still think they could be scum, you still ignore anything remotely related to them.
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Anyway I still think they could be scum, you still ignore anything remotely related to them.