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[Blargonaut]

What part

I don't know

 

[*Splinter]

what, I can't



What differences?

Removing the pokemons PR?
Having access to the Pokemon chat?

 

[Blargonaut]

Removing the pokemons PR?
Having access to the Pokemon chat?

And? Whose differences are those?

 

[*Splinter]

Fuck it, you tell me Blarg. I'm not here to answer stupid questions.

 

[melonrabbit]

And? Whose differences are those?

This was discussed on the last few pages in depth.

You were too busy waffling about whether or not you would actually reveal something.

 

[Blargonaut]

Fuck it, you tell me Blarg. I'm not here to answer stupid questions.

This was discussed on the last few pages in depth.

You were too busy waffling about whether or not you would actually reveal something.

omg, what have I done to deserve this hostility?

 

[melonrabbit]

Everything and nothing.

 

[Blargonaut]

.... Sure....?

Forget it, now I'm not in the mood to tell you

 

[Blargonaut]

Everything... and nothing.

Go ahead, then

get it over with

Vote me off the island

 

[Fireblend]

This is what I get for interacting with Blarg. I regret using that "hurt itself in its confusion" pic for Verelios yesterday.

 

[Blargonaut]

When the Days grow shorter and the Nights half as short, you'll remember

You'll ALL remember

the Day you could've seen Blarg notice a breadcrumb

on the mountain top

 

[melonrabbit]

These are most inactive players.

The G -9
Dusk - 32
Salva - 33
Stan - 34
Roy - 36

Mind you post count =/= activity but it is a starting point.

I do feel like we've barely heard from G or Dusk. The only post I really remember from Dusk were his promised Pokémon analysis which seemed to have no pay off.

I'm surprised Salva is so low his presence throughout the game suggested otherwise.

Stan, I feel contribute and has been engaging in conversations. He doesn't come across as particularly scummy.

Roy, I just don't know about. Feels like a huge blindspot.

 

[melonrabbit]

Go ahead, then

get it over with

Vote me off the island

I was part of your crew?

 

[melonrabbit]

Blarg, I'm not voting for you. I like you and generally find you an amusing enigma.

I'm just very frustrated at the moment. I'll be back when I have something.

 

[Blargonaut]

I was part of your crew?

That's right, was, melon. But now I'm gone, see

A Pokeball, cast
Away, with but a handprint
To remember by

 

[roytheone]

That's Roy and GD that have jumped to the assumption that all Pokémon are town. I can't imagine a townie doing that, especially before we've seen a single scum flip.

Roy's post especially reads more like someone complaining about balance - reminds me of HP where every power that was even remotely investigative he would label as a cop.

?

I say the exact opposite?

*Sp, royt, you're both here too, aren't you

What do you think about begging me for leads?

Is it a worthwhile endeavour?

Unless this is based on more then you thinking you have picked up on a breadcrumb, I don't see the benefit of revealing it. Especially not if you think the trainer isn't necessarily scum. What do you hope to achieve with revealing the breadcrumb you thought you spotted? Same with the NiN ninetails thing, since that is not a normal type pokemon, if you are right Nin is a pr. Do you scum read nin?

I mean sure, but I'm really more interested in whether she's lying about her Pokemon/flavor than what Pokemon she actually is if so. Her claiming Piplup *is* weird though; so was wasting her claimed 1-shot double at someone's request.

Regarding Blarg revealing the trainer's identity, I'd rather wait to find out what Sophia thinks about it; both her and her trainer are receiving heat so I want to know if we're forcing them into some sort of prisoner's dilemma situation.

Lying about the numbers of shots in your power is not anti-town imo, keeping scum in the dark not knowing if you are still a threat or not can be beneficial. Which is what I think she did here.

These are most inactive players.

The G -9
Dusk - 32
Salva - 33
Stan - 34
Roy - 36

Mind you post count =/= activity but it is a starting point.

I do feel like we've barely heard from G or Dusk. The only post I really remember from Dusk were his promised Pokémon analysis which seemed to have no pay off.

I'm surprised Salva is so low his presence throughout the game suggested otherwise.

Stan, I feel contribute and has been engaging in conversations. He doesn't come across as particularly scummy.

Roy, I just don't know about. Feels like a huge blindspot.

I feel the opposite, I feel that Salva is barely contributing and find his presence to be very low. What makes you say that you find his presence higher then his post count suggests?

BTW, I have a work BBQ soon, so I will probably be away for a while.

 

[Fireblend]

Lying about the numbers of shots in your power is not anti-town imo, keeping scum in the dark not knowing if you are still a threat or not can be beneficial. Which is what I think she did here.

Again, I'm interested in whether she lied about her Pokemon since it doesn't fit her command well. With the second part I meant that if she indeed had one single shot it would be weird that she wasted it at another player's request. I'm not making any assumptions whether she had one or not, thats why I said "claimed 1-shot".

 

[Blargonaut]

*Splinter, you must cry on me

Only your tears can bring me back to life

 

[*Splinter]

Hmm, thinking about it, if all 3 known trainers are town that would be weird from a balance standpoint. If we assume that all catchable pokemon are town, then trainers would act as a semi-cop, being able to clear a lot of townies pretty fast simply by seeing who can be caught. Not only that, but the trainer roles have a built in mason chat, which means they wouldn't even have to step forward themselves to clear townies, another team member could do that. Unless scum is insanely powerful to counter that, I just can't see that working from a balance perspective. Which means that not all trainers are town, not all catchable pokemon are town or a combination of both. I am personally leaning towards that last one, so someone being a trainer or a captured pokemon will definitely NOT clear them for me.

I don't know why you'd make the bolded assumption. Yes it's part of a hypothetical you dismissed, but you've used it to dismiss the idea that all trainers are town. There's no link between the 2 ideas, so you've introduced this idea just to dismiss it, and then concluded that not all trainers are town based on effectively nothing.

 

[Sophia]

Is there a reason you ignored my question, Sophia?

No, sorry, I just forgot to reply to it. And I don't know exactly how I survived to another night. I imagine it had something to do the superior win condition, which is why I presume El Topo died. But of course we had a double kill with Ty4on too so... *shrugs*

Sophia, I voted for you right out the gate because I wanted to check if your Piplup claim was true, as well as check if you still had shots. Your continued survival in the subsequent nights since your outing yourself as a PR, in addition to your contributing to the lynch both days, read very suspiciously to me.

However, now that you have been caught by El Topo's trainer, I'm going to trust their judgment if this is true. It seems that all (catchable) Pokemon are town. I don't want another townie to die, so I'll ease off if you attempt a double. Topo said that his PR is disabled after his trainer caught him, and so even if your power isn't one-shot, your double failing will tell ease my fears about you.



Maybe I missed something, but there actually anything conclusive about Barry's (and his successor's) alignment? There was a lot of redacted stuff in his flip.

El Topo and Sophia didn't get to be a part of the trainer's chat at no cost-- the Pokemon lose their PR. Ty's Pokemon can't talk to him, only to each other, but it looks like they retain their PR. I'm not sure yet which is more advantageous for either trainer.

You seem awfully interested in my double vote for some reason... ¬_¬

But you make a good point about the different conditions, and seeing as I'm in the mood to entertain people this entire game.

Double: TheGoddamn

Unvote

So...you used your only double vote...to prove a point to Splinter..

O-okay?

I think?

Why, is my question. Were you that worried about Splinter that you would waste your PR just to get him off your back?

No not particularly. Double Vote is a weak power in town's hand and it seemed more beneficial to prevent his silly policy lynch.

That being said, I'm not sure what to make of Splinter's actions there. It seemed like an easy way to justify either firing off a shot, or lynching me today... : \

Again, I'm interested in whether she lied about her Pokemon since it doesn't fit her command well. With the second part I meant that if she indeed had one single shot it would be weird that she wasted it at another player's request. I'm not making any assumptions whether she had one or not, thats why I said "claimed 1-shot".

Why would I risk lying about my Pokemon in a game where there's the possibility of being counter-claimed by another Pokemon? I mean the odds are low, sure, but why risk even those low odds?

 

[Blargonaut]

HI, SOPHIA

What would happen if we somehow lynched your Trainer ASAP?

 

[Sophia]

HI, SOPHIA

What would happen if we somehow lynched your Trainer ASAP?

But... but.... Blargonaut-senpai...

I want to lynch... you!

 

[RetroMG]

Double: TheGoddamn

You can't use that command.

 

[melonrabbit]

You can't use that command.

Hmmmmm.

HMMM.

 

[Fireblend]

Why would I risk lying about my Pokemon in a game where there's the possibility of being counter-claimed by another Pokemon? I mean the odds are low, sure, but why risk even those low odds?

Dunno, you could have a very telling scum-aligned Pokemon like Weezing or Meowth. Obviously that is too little to justify hard action, but my curiosity continues unsatisfied regarding your claim.

I'm more interested in your thoughts regarding the trainer discussion of the last few pages. The negative effect of blocking town PRs is IMO too much for your trainer to be town aligned, since that should be discouraging them from catching players lest they risk crippling town by roleblocking a cop or a doctor.

 

[Blargonaut]

But... but.... Blargonaut-senpai...

I want to lynch... you!

Two things though before I leave for the mountain top to ponder our situation:

1. In Price is Right, not a single mafia member took part in the D1 lynch of Blarg.

2. Under which circumstances does it even make sense for mafia to push for a lynch of Bronx-Man in that situation? Why would they bother to expose themselves on D1, when they can instead sit back?

My time on the mountaintop is over, but I'm still not sure what to do. God, why do these things have to be so difficult? Well, just so I at least contribute, notes on LP:

As I said, I will not hold D1 behavior too much against people (for now), but I thought it was interesting to go through LP's posts. It's...really not much. There's other players I want to look at before I start a lynch train though. Will post more later.

Also to whoever it was (iirc Flush) that had asked if I had even posted today: There is a search function here that allows you to see all posts a user made in that thread.

And tell me, who has an avatar of a mountain top? Of someone "leaving" for the mountain top?

Why, none other than--

Ynnek7.

Tell me; why would El Topo say something like that about a mountain top, twice even? The sayings just stick out too much. Especially in the context of the PiR mention, and it just so happens that Ynnek7's got a PiR, mountain-climbing avatar. Huh.

We know he had to have been caught on N1, it was the only opportunity for a Trainer to do so, and these posts of his were Yesterday, D2; the very same Day during which he decided to claim being captured, before his oh-so untimely demise last Night.

Therefore, your Trainer, Sophia, according to what you have alleged Today regarding your capture and the identity of said captor being of the same personage as El Topo's, must be Ynnek7.

NOW WHAT

 

[roytheone]

I don't know why you'd make the bolded assumption. Yes it's part of a hypothetical you dismissed, but you've used it to dismiss the idea that all trainers are town. There's no link between the 2 ideas, so you've introduced this idea just to dismiss it, and then concluded that not all trainers are town based on effectively nothing.

I looked at a hypothetical situation that all trainers are town and all catch able pokemon are town, and concluded that based on balance issues it would create, this is a very unlikely situation. So I find it likely that not all trainers are town, not all catch able pokemon are town or a combination of both. And out of those options, I find the third one the most likely. And yes, that last one is just speculation and what I think makes the most sense from a game design perspective.

 

[Blargonaut]

You can't use that command.

 

[Sophia]

Dunno, you could have a very telling scum-aligned Pokemon like Weezing or Meowth. Obviously that is too little to justify hard action, but my curiosity continues unsatisfied regarding your claim.

I'm more interested in your thoughts regarding the trainer discussion of the last few pages. The negative effect of blocking town PRs is IMO too much for your trainer to be town aligned, since that should be discouraging them from catching players lest they risk crippling town by roleblocking a cop or a doctor.

Certainly, the PR blocking thing definitely seems more like a scum-oriented ability too. I can offer no guarantee that said trainer is town at the moment, other than my personal feelings on the subject.

How common do you think scum roleblocker would be over town roleblocker? Hmm...

NOW WHAT

You're trying too hard. Maybe if you spent all that effort catching scum instead, we might have lynched one. =P

 

[Ynnek7]

And tell me, who has an avatar of a mountain top? Of someone "leaving" for the mountain top?

Why, none other than--

Ynnek7.

Tell me; why would El Topo say something like that about a mountain top, twice even? The sayings just stick out too much. Especially in the context of the PiR mention, and it just so happens that Ynnek7's got a PiR, mountain-climbing avatar. Huh.

We know he had to have been caught on N1, it was the only opportunity for a Trainer to do so, and these posts of his were Yesterday, D2; the very same Day during which he decided to claim being captured, before his oh-so untimely demise last Night.

Therefore, your Trainer, Sophia, according to what you have alleged Today regarding your capture and the identity of said captor being of the same personage as El Topo's, must be Ynnek7.

NOW WHAT

First of all, isn't "on the mountaintop" a common phrase? Like, that's where you go to commune with knowledgeable guru's/spirits? He was pretty much stepping away to think things over. That's what I thought of at the time of him saying that.

Second, what would be the point of breadcrumbing his trainer? I'd assume once a Pokemon was caught, they'd want to be part of the winning team, even if it meant through being the Superior Winning Team. (for example, a town pokemon, caught by scum, would be okay with a scum win as long as they had more pokemon). Actually, we haven't even seen a scum trainer/pokemon flip yet, they may remove the town alignment all together.

So, if I were El Topo and Sophia's trainer, wouldn't you have pretty much confirmed I'm town? Thanks, I suppose, lol.

 

[Fireblend]

Certainly, the PR blocking thing definitely seems more like a scum-oriented ability too. I can offer no guarantee that said trainer is town at the moment, other than my personal feelings on the subject.

How common do you think scum roleblocker would be over town roleblocker? Hmm...

Substantially more so? Again, we have a trainer with a catch effect that doesn't negatively impact town, and one with a catch effect that does. They may be balanced between them because one joins their team chat and the other doesn't, but from town's perspective they're hardly the same and your trainer has to weigh his desire to get the extra win and the risk to cripple town by doing so. It just seems poorly balanced to me if both are town aligned because the other trainer doesn't have that extra thing to worry about.

Second, what would be the point of breadcrumbing his trainer? I'd assume once a Pokemon was caught, they'd want to be part of the winning team, even if it meant through being the Superior Winning Team. (for example, a town pokemon, caught by scum, would be okay with a scum win as long as they had more pokemon). Actually, we haven't even seen a scum trainer/pokemon flip yet, they may remove the town alignment all together.

So, if I were El Topo and Sophia's trainer, wouldn't you have pretty much confirmed I'm town? Thanks, I suppose, lol.

This makes too many assumptions about how catching Pokemon and alignment switching works. We have no evidence of things like if a Pkmn caught by scum would still be able to win if scum won, that seems unlikely and a pain to balance IMO. And with that last line I'm not sure what you're claiming if anything at all. Please clarify.

 

[Blargonaut]

*snip*

You're trying too hard. Maybe if you spent all that effort catching scum instead, we might have lynched one. =P

First of all, isn't "on the mountaintop" a common phrase? Like, that's where you go to commune with knowledgeable guru's/spirits? He was pretty much stepping away to think things over. That's what I thought of at the time of him saying that.

Second, what would be the point of breadcrumbing his trainer? I'd assume once a Pokemon was caught, they'd want to be part of the winning team, even if it meant through being the Superior Winning Team. (for example, a town pokemon, caught by scum, would be okay with a scum win as long as they had more pokemon). Actually, we haven't even seen a scum trainer/pokemon flip yet, they may remove the town alignment all together.

So, if I were El Topo and Sophia's trainer, wouldn't you have pretty much confirmed I'm town? Thanks, I suppose, lol.

It's a living

 

[Blargonaut]

now, I wait

 

[Ynnek7]

This makes too many assumptions about how catching Pokemon and alignment switching works. We have no evidence of things like if a Pkmn caught by scum would still be able to win if scum won, that seems unlikely and a pain to balance IMO. And with that last line I'm not sure what you're claiming if anything at all. Please clarify.

I'll admit, that entire train of thought was based on assumptions. I haven't been caught yet, so I don't have any more information than most of the rest of us. I was mainly going off of this line in Ty4on's flip:

Superior Win Condition: However, you will be granted a superior victory over all other groups, if during the end of the game, your Pokémon team is the bigger when compared to other town factions. You can try to reach this special Superior Win Condition only, if the normal win condition is also fulfilled.

That makes me think a town pokemon would still get a win even if they were captured by scum, and in order for them to satisfy a normal win condition they'd have to be scum as well.

That last line was just trying to point out the absurdity I felt in Blarg's theory on me. With how I'm seeing things, there's no point in a pokemon revealing who their trainer is, whether they're scum or town.

 

[Fireblend]

I'll admit, that entire train of thought was based on assumptions. I haven't been caught yet, so I don't have any more information than most of the rest of us.

I was mainly going off of this line in Ty4on's flip:
That makes me think a town pokemon would still get a win even if they were captured by scum, and in order for them to satisfy a normal win condition they'd have to be scum as well.

So you are justifying your point that Topo had no reason to breadcrumb his trainer based on assumptions? Seems shaky. We indeed don't know how being caught by scum works at all, so again, more assumptions. Since you're not Sophia's trainer, what are your thoughts on both of them?

 

[Blargonaut]

*snip*

That last line was just trying to point out the absurdity I felt in Blarg's theory on me. With how I'm seeing things, there's no point in a pokemon revealing who their trainer is, whether they're scum or town.

yet, El Topo begged to differ

Who knows why

 

[Ynnek7]

Actually, Sophia, can you confirm whether or not you get the Superior Win as well? (If you have previously, I missed it)

I'm reading over that win condition again, and I can't tell if that Win would only go to the Trainer having the biggest team(and winning normally), and not their entire pokemon team.

 

[Ynnek7]

So you are justifying your point that Topo had no reason to breadcrumb his trainer based on assumptions? Seems shaky. We indeed don't know how being caught by scum works at all, so again, more assumptions. Since you're not Sophia's trainer, what are your thoughts on both of them?

Right now, the thing that sticks out to me (and has been noted previously) is that Gabe Newell did not have access to his team chat, but Sophia and El Topo could. This leads me to believe the Trainer themselves could be a pokemon (yeah, more assumptions).

Now, when Gaga flipped, we saw that their Trainer Status moved on to their captured pokemon on Night 1. This could be one reason why a Trainer could also use the team chat, but it doesn't really make sense time-wise to me.

THEORY
N1- Barrylocke captures El Topo, is killed, and transfers role to him.
N2- El Topo captures Sophia, both are in the chat due to being pokemon, and then El Topo gets killed.

That seems way too condensed of a timeline, but it would explain why Sophia is reading her Trainer as town (having seen it in today's flip).

I would also think that if El Topo was Gaga, we'd have seen the full Gaga flip as well, but maybe we're only seeing our base roles upon death?

 

[Sophia]

Actually, Sophia, can you confirm whether or not you get the Superior Win as well? (If you have previously, I missed it)

I'm reading over that win condition again, and I can't tell if that Win would only go to the Trainer having the biggest team(and winning normally), and not their entire pokemon team.

Yes.

But to be honest, I'm not sure what the hell is the difference is. The implication seems to be that if we get the superior win, we win over all other groups (I.E. they lose.)

But that seems utterly insane to me.

 

[Gorlak]

.

 

[Sawneeks]

I should also look back into Topo's, Ty's, and RF's reads and interactions. But I'm going to bed now.

I await to see your thoughts on that and what you find. c:

something something now i understand how kark felt in PiR grumble whatever

If you believe there is a Scum Trainer out there, please explain to me how your Mystery Trainer is not that individual. Ty4on flipped Town, Gaga is an unknown but I would love to hear an explanation as to how the Scum Trainer died N1, and that leaves your mystery person. Unless you want to argue we have 4 Trainers instead of 3.

after with what happened in PiR I strongly suggest you consider how much you are willing to trust this person. You may be joyfully conversing with them in a chat but don't let that cloud your read of them. I made that mistake with Kyan, don't do what I did.

Gaga could be Neutral? If there are 3 Trainers out and about catching Pokemon then Burb could have split it up into Town-Neutral-Scum, making it one of each.

Ty4on ( Mr. Gabe Newell himself ) is the Town Trainer
Gaga is more-than-likely the Neutral Trainer since hitting Scum on Night 1 is a one-in-a-million shot. Not to mention there was only 1 kill that Night, so unless Scum hit themselves ( or we have some weird Scum hitting the Doctor and a 3rd party hitting Barry combo ), Neutral is the most likely option.
????? Trainer, whoever Sophia/Topo are connected to is possibly the Scum Trainer.

Although that would eventually lead into a thunderdome situation as well if 2 Trainers flipped and the 3rd was left on their own...

But at the same time, whoever caught Sophia/Topo also apparently roleblocks the Pokemon they capture while Ty was only unable to chat with his caught Pokemon. What if this mystery trainer, in all their generosity, catches the Doctor? Are we just shit out of luck at that point since the Doctor is now forever roleblocked?? I don't know about you but that sounds incredibly anti-Town to me imo.

Does nobody read my artfully crafted posts??

you missed multiple questions i asked you Sophia.

that hurts. :c

Dusk was my main scum read. He still is my main scum read. I had a null read on Royal. So when I left for my graduation, I felt pretty good about my vote. And while I want too look at other players to prevent tunneling to much, Dusk is still my main scum read so I will most likely be voting for him again.

How did you have a null on Royal after everything that went on during the previous Day phase? Seeing as you Scum-read Dusk ( and I'm assuming it's the same reasons as last time? ) who has little-to-not activity and Royal was the main talking point of Day 2.

Uh, I did, that was my way of joining the conversation by pointing out a detail I thought deserved more attention. I didn't follow it up because that was right before I went to bed, did you want me to slam my fist and point fingers? I really don't see the line between sideline commenting and joining the conversation here.

Anyway, blindspots that I can think of are Melon, L_P and Nin, mostly. My top scum atm remain Ynnek, Verelios and I think Salva is starting to raise in that list because of their attitude throughout the game. Also TheGoddamn because man, that post:

Because there is a big difference between 'well I think this, this, and this so here is my opinion' and pushing the conversation forward with 'i think it's this therefore i think X or Y could be scummy'. You felt more like the former, which is a common way for Scum to seem active without actually pushing the conversation anywhere. I want to see finger pointing and accusation slinging because if you're Town you can back those up, if you're Scum you can't.

I'm holding you to that list.

How's everyone feeling about our inactives today? I'm worried that suddenly conversation has dropped significantly compared to D2. I realize schedule shift (hell I'm busy this weekend too) but I'm concerned scum use this lull to their advance. I don't want a scramle to lynch someone "suitable" hours before deadline.

Royal was right that inactives cost us DP and I don't want to repeat that mistake.

Something I agree we should probably look at. You outlined what qualifies someone as inactive here:

These are most inactive players.

The G -9
Dusk - 32
Salva - 33
Stan - 34
Roy - 36

and frankly I'd lynch almost any of them lol.

All of the Scum Team can't be hiding in the inactives but I wouldn't be surprised if we have 1 or 2 just coasting right now. I already having questions standing for TheG but I wouldn't mind seeing Dusk and Salva put under the spotlight and brought forward.

Stan and Roy could also do with more time forward but they have a far larger presence in the game so far with less posts than TheG/Dusk/Salva so I would much rather get those three up to the plate first since they are glued together in my mind.

I had considered the Royal vote because at the time it seemed like the most sure thing. If he flipped scum, then it would have been great. If he flipped town, though (and he did), that would have placed me on the shortlist of people who voted two townies out in a row. As of now, its just Sophia/Splinter/Stanley. I'm pretty sure at least one of them might be scum.

So you're worried about being negatively read for your vote? So you then 'conveniently' stay away from Royal not only because you are unsure but because you don't want the vote to come back and bite you?

Hmmmmm.

No not particularly. Double Vote is a weak power in town's hand and it seemed more beneficial to prevent his silly policy lynch.

That being said, I'm not sure what to make of Splinter's actions there. It seemed like an easy way to justify either firing off a shot, or lynching me today... : \

I'm more concerned about you than Splinter imo.

Scum!Splinter could have just easily convinced you to get rid of your Doublevote under the guise he would lynch you if you didn't. If you were a 1-shot then why did you listen to him???

Or you are Scum and your Doublevote reveal did the opposite of what you wanted it to. It got you a ton of attention, more negative than you would have hoped for, so you blew it to give yourself an out. You may still have a shot, you may not, it doesn't really matter. You claim you have no more shots and you now have a convenient cover if you never get NKed because 'why would Scum NK me I don't have a PR anymore'.

I want your reads, please.

 

[Sawneeks]

Oh, hello Gorlak.

I have some questions for you a few pages back if you don't mind answering them.

That seems way too condensed of a timeline, but it would explain why Sophia is reading her Trainer as town (having seen it in today's flip).

I would also think that if El Topo was Gaga, we'd have seen the full Gaga flip as well, but maybe we're only seeing our base roles upon death?

Unless we are in a crazy Volcano Island-style game then I doubt Burb would completely take away roles flips from us. This game isn't super high on the Crab Scale, right?

So if Topo was Gaga then he should have flipped as Gaga herself. Seeing as he didn't it can be assumed that Gaga is still out there. Going by the timeline of events then Sophia/Topo's Mystery Trainer can't be Gaga.

 

[Verelios]

Okay, I'm back although slightly cranky no scum were killed so far, I'm going to be looking at Darryl/Goddam's play today. I'm curious what changed between early day2 and late

 

[Blargonaut]

Right now, the thing that sticks out to me (and has been noted previously) is that Gabe Newell did not have access to his team chat, but Sophia and El Topo could. This leads me to believe the Trainer themselves could be a pokemon (yeah, more assumptions).

Now, when Gaga flipped, we saw that their Trainer Status moved on to their captured pokemon on Night 1. This could be one reason why a Trainer could also use the team chat, but it doesn't really make sense time-wise to me.

THEORY
N1- Barrylocke captures El Topo, is killed, and transfers role to him.
N2- El Topo captures Sophia, both are in the chat due to being pokemon, and then El Topo gets killed.

That seems way too condensed of a timeline, but it would explain why Sophia is reading her Trainer as town (having seen it in today's flip).

I would also think that if El Topo was Gaga, we'd have seen the full Gaga flip as well, but maybe we're only seeing our base roles upon death?

lol

dat wild theory, Ynnek too rumbled

Yeah, I'd think if El Topo was Lady Gaga II, he'd have flipped as Lady Gaga II, not as damn Normal-type Minccino (which, if he had flipped as Gaga II, his old Minccino Role would've definitely been mentioned alongside it).

The host would have to be intentionally ducking with us to the point of balance unreality to do something like secretly withhold the fact that such a powerful Role is actually really dead for real now this time no joke

IMO, whatever that Pokemon was, they're full Lady Gaga now. I don't think any traces of their old Role remains, and that probably goes for any chat mechanics that came with the Gaga Role too.

Only base roles revealed upon flip?

Impossibility.

 

[Verelios]

Going through the thread I see most of my questions to Goddamn were asked already, just waiting for a response

 

[Blargonaut]

brb retiring for the night

 

[Sophia]

I'm more concerned about you than Splinter imo.

Scum!Splinter could have just easily convinced you to get rid of your Doublevote under the guise he would lynch you if you didn't. If you were a 1-shot then why did you listen to him???

Or you are Scum and your Doublevote reveal did the opposite of what you wanted it to. It got you a ton of attention, more negative than you would have hoped for, so you blew it to give yourself an out. You may still have a shot, you may not, it doesn't really matter. You claim you have no more shots and you now have a convenient cover if you never get NKed because 'why would Scum NK me I don't have a PR anymore'.

I want your reads, please.

Honestly, it sounds like you're slightly town reading me but trying to convince yourself of how I could be scum.

I mean, re-read over what you're saying there. The premise makes so many logical assumptions just to get to "Why would scum NK me? I don't have a PR anymore." and I don't get why you're trying to go through those hoops. If you think I'm scum, vote me out.

I'll get your reads list later this evening. I need to look over stuff and there's too much noise going on right now where I'm at due to family. I definitely want to take a look at the people who suddenly jumped on votes/discussion at the end of Day 2 tho.

 

[Gorlak]

Okay, everyone from the two big lynches is still alive.

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Sorry for being inactive the last day phase, RL was keeping me busy. I'll catch up and will post thoughts. For now:

I'm with Blarg. That Topo breadcrumb caught my attention and I wanted to ask him yesterday, but wasn't able to find a spare minute to.

I still want to lynch Sophia. Especially Sawneek's last post brought up a good point. Sophia didn't answer her questions. The one player who keeps a tremendous amount of notes for everything that happens. The overthinker who claimed for no reason at all.

 

[Gorlak]

I think the double vote power is still in the game. I doubt it's a one-shot, probably more of the not able to use it on consecutive days. Otherwise she wouldn't have wasted it.

Why would an already weak town power role ~ a town double voter ~ be made even weaker? That doesn't add up. There is no such thing. She is a scum double voter. A scum double voter weakened to balance the unquestionable power this role wields.

Vote: Sophia

 

[Sophia]

I think the double vote power is still in the game. I doubt it's a one-shot, probably more of the not able to use it on consecutive days. Otherwise she wouldn't have wasted it.

Why would an already weak town power role ~ a town double voter ~ be made even weaker? That doesn't add up. There is no such thing. She is a scum double voter. A scum double voter weakened to balance the unquestionable power this role wields.

Vote: Sophia

... did you even pay attention to Day 1 and 2?