Dusk Soldier
Member
Depends on the role to be honest.
For instance a cop (if we have one) could clear 4 of the remaining 15 players.
Very difficult for scum to work around that.
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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em Scum!
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For instance a cop (if we have one) could clear 4 of the remaining 15 players.
Very difficult for scum to work around that.
RIP Gorlak and CM. :c
Why Gorlak, though? I'll have to go back and take a look and what he has done this game.
None so far. Considering we need to 'remove all the threats that would disrupt Town' in order to win I wouldn't dismiss the idea of a Neutral SK.
Yeah, I asked CM to explain a couple things last Night in the chat.
His 'save TheG' line was not directly aimed at me, it was aimed at Town at large because CM believed that TheG was Town due to his willingness to cooperate the last Day phase and he did not see why a Scum!TheG would suddenly NK Topo right after he caught him. He clarified that he should have separated the two lines more in order to make the distinction more clear and apologized for the confusion.
He also said he dropped that breadcrumb for me to claim for two reasons. First, he said he agreed we should claim and come forward but when I asked him to clarify why he changed his stance from 'let's not claim' to 'let's totally claim' he never gave me a straight answer other than 'i changed my mind'. Second, he said he dropped that instead of claiming himself because he did not want to 'steal my idea' and claim it for his own and, therefore, left it up to me.
After that I asked for his reads and general thoughts on the game itself.
His Town reads were: Ferret, Sawneeks
Uncertain Town reads: Star, Nin, Ynnek, Stan, Splinter
Scum Reads: Verelios, LP, Melon, and Dusk
the rest were null
Brought up that he could see Splinter leading the Scum Team like in PiR and was calling the shots, he still Town leans on him but he saw it as a possibility. We both agreed that LP hasn't been playing his usual game of Super Townie and it requires a look into, same goes for Blarg.
and then a bunch of breadcrumbs that CM dropped to hint he had been caught that I can point out if you guys want. :x
Why Gorlak, though? I'll have to go back and take a look and what he has done this game.
None so far. Considering we need to 'remove all the threats that would disrupt Town' in order to win I wouldn't dismiss the idea of a Neutral SK.
Yeah, I asked CM to explain a couple things last Night in the chat.
His 'save TheG' line was not directly aimed at me, it was aimed at Town at large because CM believed that TheG was Town due to his willingness to cooperate the last Day phase and he did not see why a Scum!TheG would suddenly NK Topo right after he caught him. He clarified that he should have separated the two lines more in order to make the distinction more clear and apologized for the confusion.
He also said he dropped that breadcrumb for me to claim for two reasons. First, he said he agreed we should claim and come forward but when I asked him to clarify why he changed his stance from 'let's not claim' to 'let's totally claim' he never gave me a straight answer other than 'i changed my mind'. Second, he said he dropped that instead of claiming himself because he did not want to 'steal my idea' and claim it for his own and, therefore, left it up to me.
After that I asked for his reads and general thoughts on the game itself.
His Town reads were: Ferret, Sawneeks
Uncertain Town reads: Star, Nin, Ynnek, Stan, Splinter
Scum Reads: Verelios, LP, Melon, and Dusk
the rest were null
Brought up that he could see Splinter leading the Scum Team like in PiR and was calling the shots, he still Town leans on him but he saw it as a possibility. We both agreed that LP hasn't been playing his usual game of Super Townie and it requires a look into, same goes for Blarg.
and then a bunch of breadcrumbs that CM dropped to hint he had been caught that I can point out if you guys want. :x
Can you explain to me how you came to this possible conclusion? Because you just kind of made a statement and then Roy filled it in, so I want to know your thoughts on it.
and same for your 'Dusk's last minute claim' line because that's a statement, not an opinion.
Since you guys are all playing 'Guess the Vig' I guess I will look at the votes from the last Day Phase.
A few popped out to me in my brief glance
Pointed it out then but if you are telling me you did an RNG vote on Day 3 you're going to have to explain to me why. Not to mention you stayed out of the whole TheG thing completely and being 'indifferent' does not help Town. Do you not care who gets lynched??
Not really the vote itself but I just want to see more from you, Salva. Who do you want to lynch today and why?
Can you fully explain your vote, please.
Who do you want to vote out today and why?
Okay, let's try this one again.
~*~Can you please explain your vote~*~
and you Verelios one today as well because you're being incredibly unhelpful, Blarg.
Soooo if I understand this correctly, you voted for Ynnek despite thinking CM had scummy actions AND using TheG's alignment despite him not flipping yet.
lol ok
A few popped out to me in my brief glance
Pointed it out then but if you are telling me you did an RNG vote on Day 3 you're going to have to explain to me why. Not to mention you stayed out of the whole TheG thing completely and being 'indifferent' does not help Town. Do you not care who gets lynched??
Not really the vote itself but I just want to see more from you, Salva. Who do you want to lynch today and why?
Can you fully explain your vote, please.
Who do you want to vote out today and why?
Okay, let's try this one again.
~*~Can you please explain your vote~*~
and you Verelios one today as well because you're being incredibly unhelpful, Blarg.
Soooo if I understand this correctly, you voted for Ynnek despite thinking CM had scummy actions AND using TheG's alignment despite him not flipping yet.
lol ok
Well, I can certainly see this post separating into two thoughts if I suspend my disbelief, but the mention of save has the action form of saving, meaning someone has to be doing some saving. And, I'm a little hesitant to say CM is addressing town when the second paragraph addresses Saw, and it's an awkward way to say don't lynch TGD when CM could just say...don't lynch TGD.
So, before you respond Sawneeks, I'll pre-empt a response by saying it's entirely possible CM meant those words for town, in that situation, but I'm going to throw out, were those words logical for that situation, in that meaning? Out of all the words CM could say, he chose save. Why? Whose saving? Town? But town has majority on the lynch so that makes no sense. They're less likely to save TGD than someone else.
Which brings us to why CM initially wanted you to claim but I have enough theories on that, and I'm guessing I won't get anything much.
melonrabbit
Member
CM's highly dismissive attitude ( at least how I interpret it to be) was getting to me. I was very frustrated when I posted. I'm not the vig.
melonrabbit
Member
I have no idea who to vote for. I'm at a complete loss. All my reads were off the mark. I need to reread the thread and calm down.
CM did not want me to claim, I was the one who wanted to claim initially and he was against that up until the sudden name drop. He dropped my name in the thread without explaining because he had changed his mind but didn't want to 'steal my idea' of claiming. I will break it down.
The order of events goes:
1. I get caught, see at the start of the last Day phase that I was now in a chat and went to check it. CM only had 1 post there and it was asking 2 questions for anyone else to answer once they were also caught. I answered the questions and proposed some to CM and one of those questions was if we should claim or not since Ty died
2. CM doesn't want to claim because it 'does not help Town, paints us as targets, and we enter the PiR Thunderdome of "ONE MASON MUST BE SCUM" ' and he was worried he would get lynched. After this I suggest we should claim and we go back-and-forth a bit. It is around this time I begin to worry that CM is Scum and is just trying to bide time until the Night Phase so I can get NKed. Before I went to bed that night CM was still against the idea of claiming, 'at least for a few Day Phases'.
3. I wake up to find that CM dropped my name in this thread and then left. I post and confirm we are in the chat and express my concerns over CM's alignment. Day ends, TheG gets lynched
4. The Night Phase rolls around and I ask CM questions regarding why he dropped my name when he didn't want to claim and why he wanted me to 'save TheG'. What I gave above was his answer.
We can discuss the grammar of it if you want but that was the reason he gave to me when I asked him about it.
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What I'm telling you now is all I know.
I don't think anyone asked if you were..?
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
the short answer is that i didn't know what the hell else to do.
after the 3 page mechanic speculation filibuster i had practically checked out of the game, and i felt like the only thing worse than the random vote would be doing literally nothing.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
whats the bet blarg is dunsparce?
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
so, to yall who voted TheG yeseterday?
well, why?
post his coming out of the trainer closet, i can hardly find a single convincing reason for his lynch.
the closest is the srgument of 'well you could still be scum' which was certainly true, but it doesnt seem like enough to get 8 votes.
well, why?
post his coming out of the trainer closet, i can hardly find a single convincing reason for his lynch.
the closest is the srgument of 'well you could still be scum' which was certainly true, but it doesnt seem like enough to get 8 votes.
Blargonaut
Banned
Blargonaut
Banned
Lady Gaga II, claim pls
delete your Role
delete your Role
Blargonaut
Banned
"To catch them is my real test" ain't no Hippopotas Oath I ever heard
Thanks i guess ?
I mean what was it with your vigi claim and then saying you lied and now saying you did kill him ?
IF. thta is a big IF. He already lied so i am inclined NOT to believe what he claims
I claimed veteran before, not vig
I only killed Gorlak, no idea what happened N2
Sorry, But the Point still stands about you not being sincere, well in the end it was something that didnt harm anyone i hope. I am still hurt splinter but i understand you
I know its a dumb question since its pretty obvious but why did you kill Gorlak ?
I thought he was scum, but at the same time the way he was playing made me think lynching him would be difficult, very cautious, not treading on many toes.
Well, i thought so too so i cant really say anything against that.
Its too early for a poison dead, I think, and I really doubt scum has two kills, so if you didn't did it, then it had to be a third party, so, a neutral. But if that IS the case then what stopped this neutral for killing on N1 or N3, unless a doc got lucky twice so far.
Something is not adding up.
Why is N2 too early for poison? Election had a 1 night poison
Maybe someone killed himself ? i mean that could be an option too.
I know it sounds dumb but well every option has to be considered.
You don't really believe I am scum.
Hmm, maybe, but its still weird.
I also think its weird how Donald Trump was balanced. It works very similarly to a jailer, in that it takes the power from the people who belong to his team.
Do we know what happens when a trainer tries to catch another trainer?
you got me. I am still bitter about last game yo, i thought we were hermanos but this time i think you are one of the coasters. And its not like you try to play a game of you dont care. Its more like trying to stay in the shadows. I dont like that Salva. Just wanted to state that very Clear.
Nothing, presumably. The role PM talks about conditions being met, we can't actually see what the conditions are but I assume the target has to be a pokemon.
I was thinking that works as a pseudo-cop role, but really it doesn't prove anything if you fail to catch another trainer other than been able to find them on a lie.
I do wonder if the Scum team is setup in a way that there is a trainer and a few pokemon, but then again I believe town trainers can catch scum pokemon.
Its also impossible to catch Pokemon that have already been caught.
I think the whole trainers/Pokemon thing is a pointless distraction to be honest.
It has to be taken into account for Balance. It doesn't help in scum hunting but it will help late in the game.
I mean if you try to catch scum and get no information whastoever. It could mean that they are on a different team or could be scum. So i dont agree that it is pointless
Blargonaut
Banned
huh.
*whisper* *whisper* *whisper*
Really?
*whisper* *whisper* *whisper*
ok
fuck off, I killed Gorlak
VOTE: *Splinter
Blargonaut
Banned
full claim, *Sp
I'll do it if you do it
I'll do it if you do it
Ok, that was my theory I had.
Well, yeah, if we have a cop sitting on 4 green checks that are all still alive, they probably should claim now. But I would hope our pr are smart enough themselves to determine when the best time is to claim and give their information, without having to force them with a mass role claim. That would most likely out PR that aren't ready to claim yet and do more damage then good.
When I re thought through Ferret his plan before my vote was locked in, I just saw to many risk and uncertainties with letting TGD live. There was the risk of him not only blocking town PR, but also outing them if he was scum or a scum member got into his chat at any point. So my original thought of us being able to free PR by lynching TGD when he blocks to many wasn't a good idea, since the risk of outing PR to scum was just too big for them to come forward in the chat, which means we would never know when he blocked to many PR. Add to that the uncertainty of how useful his ability to find non-Pokemon roles is and the risk of him being scum, I decided to vote on him.
I know this is probably a fools errand, but: Why? We have no indication Lady Gaga II has a similar negative side-effect like TGD had.
So you didn't shoot N1 and N2? Or did you try to shoot, but somehow it failed?
And yeah, scum killing CM makes very little sense to me. He was very likely to be killed at night by the vig, and if he survived he would be a prime miss lynch target for them. Killing him themselves just seems like a waste. I guess they maybe could have tried a gambit where they wanted one of them to appear to be the vig? Would be very bold and I can't see that ending well for them, there will just be a tunderdome between fake and real vig.
I didn't shoot until last night.
Uh huh. So why did scum kill CM?
If a neutral killed CM, why didn't they claim their free #townpoints today? Also that means the scum kill failed for some reason.
I am on two minds about this.One the one hand, since caught pokemon are part of a chat, it will be possible to get confirmation they are indeed un catchable since they are already caught, either from their trainer or their teammates. Same deal if the non-catchable target is a trainer, they should be able to give us the pokemon they caught and one of their teammembers should be able to co-oberate it. So we should be able to figure out the reason why the target wasn't able to be caught.
However, then the question arises what that would bring us? Being a trainer isn't necessarily indicative of your alignment, so is being a pokemon. We don't know if there even are any non-pokemon, non-trainer roles. So even if we figure out the reason of them not being able to be caught, that still leaves a lot of uncertainty.
Blargonaut
Banned
Why don't you want to talk about Sawneeks, Blarg?