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Pokémon Mafia |OT| Gotta Catch Em’ Scum!

I do want to point out that Topo claimed that caught pokemon would have their abilities roleblocked.

Which anyone who was caught, but NOT by Goddamn would know is not true. They might have thought the lie was a scum gambit to draw a counter claim and went for Topo based on that.

Your scenario is plausible too, however.

What if the Lady Gaga trainer is also a role blocker just like TheGoddamn and they can also chat with their Pokemons? Then that would make Gabe's team the odd ones out.

I think a lot of people in here are making the assumption that Lady Gaga's and Gabe Newell's role PMs are identical when we cannot say for certain since it was redacted.
 

*Splinter

Member
What if the Lady Gaga trainer is also a role blocker just like TheGoddamn and they can also chat with their Pokemons? Then that would make Gabe's team the odd ones out.

I think a lot of people in here are making the assumption that Lady Gaga's and Gabe Newell's role PMs are identical when we cannot say for certain since it was redacted.
I'm assuming that Ty4on and Goddamn are different because otherwise a whole lot of people are lying for no reason.

I don't know anything about Gaga, are you assuming she is the same as Goddamn?
 
I'm assuming that Ty4on and Goddamn are different because otherwise a whole lot of people are lying for no reason.

I don't know anything about Gaga, are you assuming she is the same as Goddamn?

No but from what I've read in here, it's generally thought that TheGoddamn is different from the other 2 trainers by having the extra role block ability and being able to talk to the caught Pokemon. Only those on Team Gaga will know if that's true.

I don't see any evidence that may be the case and maybe everyone else has overlooked it.

Yes, Ty4on and TheGoddamn's info don't match up but we don't really know what Lady Gaga's role PM is so we can't make a comparison.

If all 3 trainer's have different abilities would you think differently about the trainers?

Also I'm not sure why there has to be a scum trainer out of the 3. Given that the conditions to catch a Pokemon are never mentioned, anyone can argue for any combination of town/neutral/scum.
 

*Splinter

Member
No but from what I've read in here, it's generally thought that TheGoddamn is different from the other 2 trainers by having the extra role block ability and being able to talk to the caught Pokemon. Only those on Team Gaga will know if that's true.

I don't see any evidence that may be the case and maybe everyone else has overlooked it.

Yes, Ty4on and TheGoddamn's info don't match up but we don't really know what Lady Gaga's role PM is so we can't make a comparison.

If all 3 trainer's have different abilities would you think differently about the trainers?

Also I'm not sure why there has to be a scum trainer out of the 3. Given that the conditions to catch a Pokemon are never mentioned, anyone can argue for any combination of town/neutral/scum.
Well there are 3 teams so... No? I don't see how Gaga's role us relevant, unless it's the same as The G and town - in which case why was Ty4on different? Flavour trap again.
 

*Splinter

Member
I don't know... Maybe we should go for a surer scum lynch today...

I think we're better off lynching TheG no matter his alignment, but I'm also not super confident on what his alignment will be, and that would be 3 mislynches in a row, not a great start.

We could try elsewhere, but if we get it wrong it only makes our situation worse.

But what's a surer scum lynch? Certainly not the current scapegoats. Bleh, I don't know.
 

*Splinter

Member
gorlak (0)
sawneeks 1621 (1651)

lone_prodigy (2)
sophia 1626 (1639)
gorlak 2017
stanleypalmtree 2028

thegoddamn (6)
sawneeks 1651
*splinter 1660 (1884)
sophia 1720 (1720)
sophia 1720 (1720)
salvapot 1880
starsketch 1882
*splinter 1884
dusk soldier 1898
ynnek7 1907

starsketch (0)
dusk soldier 1771 (1898)

stanleypalmtree (0)
stanleypalmtree 1773 (1782)
stanleypalmtree 1773 (1782)

roytheone (0)
gorlak 1793 (1801)

*splinter (0)
gorlak 1801 (2017)

ynnek7 (3)
nin1000 1822
thegoddamn 1915
blargonaut 1925

blargonaut (1)
roytheone 1957
Top scapegoat right now is Ynnek. I don't feel great about Ynnek but he's got both Goddamn AND Blarg on him.

Next up is LP with an RNG vote from Stan and another from Gorlak (another player I don't feel great about, although our last conversation felt more like classic Gorlak).

Nah, I'm staying on The G.
 
VOTE: Lone Prodigy

I find him more scummy than Ynnek7, mostly a gut read. He doesn't seem to be playing his usual way.

I think we should let TheGoddamn try catch someone again tonight. Too much uncertainty about how the trainer mechanic works and seeing as we are already 1 trainer down who was town I don't think we should be losing another so quickly.

No guarantees about the alignment of caught Pokemon but hopefully if we hit our first mafia member it can shed some light.
 
CM do you think trainers are cops?

It's a theory, they are some sort of a weak cop. I can't prove it though, it's just the way I see the game.

We don't know what are the conditions for catching a Pokemon. It was never stated in Ty4on's PM.

Trainers can hit a player and not recruit them into their team but they wouldn't know the reasons why the capture failed. Either

1) Target could have been another trainer.
2) Target could be a Pokemon already caught.
3) Target is Team Rocket (human).

I'm not saying Team Rocket can't be Pokemon. Until we hit our first scum we won't know but I don't think we should be losing another trainer at this stage.
 
So Goddamn is the trainer, eh? That actually makes sense if you look at how many of his posts were about mechanics, which was actually a reason I slightly scum read him. However, I lean to following Ferret's plan. He could act as a Pokemon-checker which depending on if/how many non-town roles are not Pokemon could be very user eful. If that is the case, he will probably be NK pretty soon by scu to prevent that. If he keeps surviving and capturing pokemon with PR we can always lynch him later to free those PR and make sure he isn't scum. If he is scum, he also can't actively block against town since that would out him as scum and just get himself lynched earlier. I don't think it is a bad idea to keep him around a bit longer to see what information that gives us and if scum kills him or not.

However, that brings up the question who to lynch instead? And for that:

vote: Blargonaut

He has been high on my scum list since day 1, and I find his actions today to be REALLY suspect. Not only did he potentially out Nin as a PR without actually scum reading him as far as I know, he also tried his damnest to paint Ynnek as the Topo-trainer, which at that point, if believed, would have been a death sentence for Ynnek. This seems like a scum trying to see if he can profit from the Topo-trainer goose hunt by trying to push the narrative Ynnek is the Topo-trainer. Consequently, a Blarg lynch would also shed some light on Ynnek. I slightly scum read him now, but if Blarg flips scum, I would feel pretty good about him since I doubt a scum Blarg would paint a target like this on his scum buddy.



Why did you decide to vote on TheGoddamn? Are you no longer convinced he is town?

From a solely mechanical and logical perspective, no.

From a "this is how someone acts with a rough town role" perspective, yes.

I'm not sure what's more important in terms of voting, so I went with logic. Of course, if we're going to do something else then:

unvote
 
Sawneeks will have something to share with town later.

Sorry if it feels like I'm putting you on the spot but I'll be going offline and I guess I'm being cautious.

Save TheGoddamn.
 

Fireblend

Banned
You guys sure posted up a storm while I was sleeping. Nothing I've read so far sways me from where I stood yesterday though. Conveniently one of the players I'd consider inactive is also Sophia/Sketch's trainer, and if there's any scum trainers at all in the game, I can't think of a better flavor candidate for that than Trump. Lynching him will not only clear the air regarding the trainer mechanics and spare us from more discussion about it, it will remove an actively anti-town power.

As said yesterday, I'd be up for lynching either TGD or Verelios. Since the majority is already on TGD, rather than hold it to not risk majority I'll put my vote on Verelios just to have that on record. I'll switch to TGD if there's any risk of a tie though, so consider this a vote for both of them :p

Vote: Verelios

I'm at work and feeling better so I'll be here by day's end if needed.
 
btw shout-outs to Sophia

Darryl

and Ty4on (who got NK'd, not replaced, but oh well)

The Triangle has collapsed

Only Blargonaut Soldiers On
 
ON MY WORD, SCUM WILL NOT ATTACK YOU

SCUM ARE REASONABLE, AND CAN BE REASONED WITH

THEY WANT TO WIN JUST AS MUCH AS YOU DO

I PROMISE TO YOU THAT THIS WILL END FAVOURABLY FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED

BUT YOU MUST TELL US WHO YOU ARE
 
ARE YOU WITNESSING THIS, TEAM ROCKET

LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE REDUCED YOUR ONCE-HONOURABLE OPPOSITION TO

ANONYMITY AND SHAME

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT AS YOUR RIVALS

IS THAT HOW YOU MEASURE YOURSELF

AGAINST COWARDS
 
Wait, why?

Maybe it is a bit too soon to say that definitively. But he wouldn't have redacted Barry's alignment, if being a trainer confirmed town status.

It's a theory, they are some sort of a weak cop. I can't prove it though, it's just the way I see the game.

We don't know what are the conditions for catching a Pokemon. It was never stated in Ty4on's PM.

Trainers can hit a player and not recruit them into their team but they wouldn't know the reasons why the capture failed. Either

1) Target could have been another trainer.
2) Target could be a Pokemon already caught.
3) Target is Team Rocket (human).

I'm not saying Team Rocket can't be Pokemon. Until we hit our first scum we won't know but I don't think we should be losing another trainer at this stage.

Christina, you are NOT making any sense.

If Goddamn is town he is dead.

Why would the scum team leave a town roleblocker in play? One so powerful, that he only has to target someone once, and they're blocked the rest of the game.

Knowing whether or not a player is catchable, does not help us find scum. If he's unable to catch someone that means they are either human, or they've already been caught by someone else. Neither of those things confirm their alignment.

If you know something about the Goddamn that we don't. NOW is the time to say it. Don't speak in riddles. It doesn't help anyone.
 

*Splinter

Member
Maybe it is a bit too soon to say that definitively. But he wouldn't have redacted Barry's alignment, if being a trainer confirmed town status.
Seems simpler than that to me. We didn't see Gaga's alignment because Gaga is still in the game.

We've seen Ty flip as a town trainer. Does that confirm all trainers are town? Certainly not.
 
-No one wants to talk about the Flush vote yesterday? 7 voters, maybe there's scum there? Splinter says he saw something there but he was wrong, which is exactly what scum would say. Even then, everyone danced around the issue until Sawneeks, melon, and Verelios jumped in (just cutting it off here due to post numbers). And now our 7 voters become 4. Maybe there's scum there?
-Stanley doesn't want a bandwagon vote today after 2 previous ones. It's Day 3; surely you have some sort of scum read?
-We'll learn nothing from a TheGoddarryl vote. If he flips neutral, well everyone votes out neutrals. If he flips town, he was getting scum-read until he was forced to claim. If he flips scum, then see town/neutral reasons, with a side of busing.
-I have learned a new mafia term today: flavour trap.
 
Non-Flush voters from D2:

Gorlak on Sophia
Fireblend and Salva on Verelios
nin on roy
roy on Dusk
CM on nin
Ty4on on TG
Dusk, Blarg, and Flush on CM
LP on Gorlak
Ynnek7 on LP

Now, Ynnek's vote on me was because I voted Gorlak. Fair enough. But D3 starts and roy and Sawneeks ask me about my vote. Yet, most of the other stray votes goes unnoticed. Seems to me like scum is trying to follow up a lead. (Or I'm just biased since I'm more aware of questions directed at me.)

Any one of these random vote targets have merit for being on the lower end of activity, except Sophia and Verelios. And despite having 3 votes on D2, CM goes unnoticed until that mind-boggling post he just made. (I addressed this before.)

By the way, do you know who has 3 votes today? Ynnek, courtesy of nin, TG, and Blarg. We don't know TG's flip yet, but let's try this:

VOTE: Ynnek7
 
I'm rewatching Dune now because I'm bored as fuck and this is how I get my jollies, and I'm on the part where Paul is sitting at a table with his back to the door doing research about Arrakis on his tablet right until his foot fetish senses Picard before they holographic knife-fight as shame cubes.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Sawneeks will have something to share with town later.

Sorry if it feels like I'm putting you on the spot but I'll be going offline and I guess I'm being cautious.

Save TheGoddamn.

....

I don't think you understood why I wanted to claim.

sigh

Okay, I got caught by Ty4on last Night and placed into a chat with CM. I didn't reveal this earlier because I wanted to talk with CM first and try to decipher his alignment since I was rather wary and uncertain about him. However, after a few back-and-forth conversations with him I feel that CM is Scum and after that I brought forth the idea to come forward and claim, something he was rather against since he wanted to 'save himself' and not appear Scummy to everyone. Most of our conversations in the chat involved, in some way, that CM wanted to be safe and not get lynched.

I planned to reveal today regardless of what CM said since I was worried that not claiming meant he would kill me at Night and then be totally free of suspicion since I couldn't speak against him. I did not expect him to drop that hint above and just leave...

I'm still catching up with the last few pages so go ahead and ask questions. I don't have much time because I had class up until Day End though.
 
BTW, Ferret, can you clarify something for me? In your plan you say TGD learns the role through capture, do you mean through a pm he gets when he successfully captures someone or through the chat after the capture? I don't remember TGD claiming he automatically learns the role/name of his captured Pokemons.

Sorry I was basing that off Topo claiming he learned the identity's of the trainer and any other captured pokemon. So looking at it with that in mind, it maybe isn't the best plan depending on what Topo meant by identity, and how willing we are to base scumness based off Pokemon name if that's all it is.
 
So we have (? denotes unknowns)

Team Ty4on (Gabe) with CM (?) and Sawneeks (?)
Alignment: town
Superior win: biggest team
Chat restriction: Night-only, no trainer participation
Upon trainer death: chat restriction removed

Team TheGoddarryl (Trump?) with Topo (Minccino, RIP) and Sophetch (Piplup?)
Alignment: ?
Superior win: biggest team?
Chat restriction: roleblocked?
Upon trainer death: chat restriction removed?

Team Barry (Gaga, RIP) with ??? (new Gaga) and ???
Alignment: ?
Superior win: ?
Chat restriction: ?
Upon death: ?
 

Burbeting

Banned
gorlak (0)
sawneeks 1621 (1651)

lone_prodigy (2)
sophia 1626 (1639)
gorlak 2017
stanleypalmtree 2028

thegoddamn (6)
sawneeks 1651
*splinter 1660 (1884)
sophia 1720 (1720)
sophia 1720 (1720)
salvapot 1880
starsketch 1882 (2060)
*splinter 1884
dusk soldier 1898
ynnek7 1907
roytheone 2041

starsketch (0)
dusk soldier 1771 (1898)

stanleypalmtree (0)
stanleypalmtree 1773 (1782)
stanleypalmtree 1773 (1782)

roytheone (0)
gorlak 1793 (1801)

*splinter (0)
gorlak 1801 (2017)

ynnek7 (4)
nin1000 1822
thegoddamn 1915
blargonaut 1925
lone_prodigy 2081

blargonaut (0)
roytheone 1957 (2041)

lone prodigy (1)
christina mackenzie 2057

verelios (1)
fireblend 2062

christina mackenzie (1)
melonrabbit 2087
 

*Splinter

Member
....

I don't think you understood why I wanted to claim.

sigh

Okay, I got caught by Ty4on last Night and placed into a chat with CM. I didn't reveal this earlier because I wanted to talk with CM first and try to decipher his alignment since I was rather wary and uncertain about him. However, after a few back-and-forth conversations with him I feel that CM is Scum and after that I brought forth the idea to come forward and claim, something he was rather against since he wanted to 'save himself' and not appear Scummy to everyone. Most of our conversations in the chat involved, in some way, that CM wanted to be safe and not get lynched.

I planned to reveal today regardless of what CM said since I was worried that not claiming meant he would kill me at Night and then be totally free of suspicion since I couldn't speak against him. I did not expect him to drop that hint above and just leave...

I'm still catching up with the last few pages so go ahead and ask questions. I don't have much time because I had class up until Day End though.
lol

On a somewhat related note, I've been looking for hints as to who Ty4on caught N1. I figured there's a good chance that person is scum since a) they've never claimed anything despite having relevant info for today and b) Ty4on was killed N2.

And it turns out to be CM, well that's just perfect.

Given that CM made this claim purely to keep TheGoddamn alive, can we see this lynch through? Perhaps the vig can clear up CM for us.
 

Verelios

Member
Thanks CM for cementing my vote on TGD with that outburst. Wonder why you said Sawneeks could clear TGD though

Vote: TheGoddamn
 
....

I don't think you understood why I wanted to claim.

sigh

Okay, I got caught by Ty4on last Night and placed into a chat with CM. I didn't reveal this earlier because I wanted to talk with CM first and try to decipher his alignment since I was rather wary and uncertain about him. However, after a few back-and-forth conversations with him I feel that CM is Scum and after that I brought forth the idea to come forward and claim, something he was rather against since he wanted to 'save himself' and not appear Scummy to everyone. Most of our conversations in the chat involved, in some way, that CM wanted to be safe and not get lynched.

I planned to reveal today regardless of what CM said since I was worried that not claiming meant he would kill me at Night and then be totally free of suspicion since I couldn't speak against him. I did not expect him to drop that hint above and just leave...

I'm still catching up with the last few pages so go ahead and ask questions. I don't have much time because I had class up until Day End though.

I have no idea how this revelation saves TheG or why (scum) CM would be so openly adamant to save TheG even if it's (scum) TheG.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
Blarg's Plan

I don't think I need to reiterate how much of a terrible plan this is. The amount of assumptions you make here and the fact that you want not only for a PR to claim but to go after a certain person when there may be a Scum Watcher in the game is beyond me.

LP pointing to roleblock. Saw assuming only 3 trainers and roleblock talk. At this point Sophia never mentioned being blocked, only being out of shots.

Topo was the one who brought up being roleblocked when he claimed on Day 2 btw. Said it was a part of being caught.

Saw puts attention to inactives. Says she got questions earlier from me, it wasn't during Day 3, can you point me to them? Later Saw again for inactives.

Vote: Gorlak

You were gone for most of Day 2 and I'm curious of your thoughts in the game now. Do you still think Sophia is scum? If not, who do you find scummy?

Not sure how you missed that, I even voted for you at the start of the post.

Splinter IS totes scum m8. Nothing he does in this game helps us in any way. All of his posts look so unemotional. Nothing leads anywhere, it's a complete waste of time by his part.

And this fact alone let's me believe he's scum. As a member of town he would be much more into it and would've found a lead worth following yesterday. He's not committed to win this game as a townie. Too much on the sideline, too much satisfied with the current state.

Why do you townread him that you even feel the need to jump in for his defense?

---
This was during my read of Day 3 at the point of your post. With 1840 I feel he changed his attitude, but I still can't see anything that would lead me to the conclusion he's town.

I have no idea where you are getting unemotional from here, Gorlak. If anything I see Splinter playing more 'relaxed' than he did last time I played with him, which is where he was Scum. Compared to many other players in this game so far he is someone I scum read the least, but I will admit I read him incorrectly last game and my Town lean on him is not that confident.

Why do you assume we have three trainers in the game and nothing more? Sawneeks did this earlier as well and an answer from her would be appreciated. How does that make any sense? Have a bigger faction but only two competing town factions of which one trainer is already dead?

Because we only have evidence of 3 Trainers being in the game. This does not mean we have 1 or 2 more Trainers on top of the 3 we already know of but until evidence of those Trainers appears I'm going to be working with the information that we currently have available to us.

It's also a lot easier to say we have 3 Trainers instead of always saying we have X amount of Trainers.

lol

On a somewhat related note, I've been looking for hints as to who Ty4on caught N1. I figured there's a good chance that person is scum since a) they've never claimed anything despite having relevant info for today and b) Ty4on was killed N2.

And it turns out to be CM, well that's just perfect.

Given that CM made this claim purely to keep TheGoddamn alive, can we see this lynch through? Perhaps the vig can clear up CM for us.

I agree with you on the last part. I still personally Scum Read TheG and would much rather get a roleblocker out of the game as well so we don't have to worry later on if he ever catches the Cop/Doctor and hinders their roles.

Your b) point was also what made me want to claim. Much of CM's actions in the chat involved trying to push for us to keep quiet 'just a little longer' so we could claim later on. The fact that CM could be Scum and was pushing for me to keep quiet until the Night phase where I could be NKed was not lost on me.

Thanks CM for cementing my vote on TGD with that outburst. Wonder why you said Sawneeks could clear TGD though

Vote: TheGoddamn

I also want to know that??

It doesn't make sense to me either so
 

Sawneeks

Banned
I'm still catching up with the last few pages so go ahead and ask questions. I don't have much time because I had class up until Day End though.

Also, just disregard this.

I came down with that cold that's going around so I'm not going to class today.

I'll be here for Day End, then I'm collapsing and taking a nap.
 

*Splinter

Member
I agree with you on the last part. I still personally Scum Read TheG and would much rather get a roleblocker out of the game as well so we don't have to worry later on if he ever catches the Cop/Doctor and hinders their roles.
Well there it is. My one last bit of paranoia was that this was a frankly brilliant scum play, where you get CM lynched without him having a chance to counter your claims. But that's out if you're still after TheG.

TheG is scum, will be lynched.
CM is scum, will hopefully be NK'd.

Assuming these two things come true I'm putting Sawneeks at confirmed town.

I've no doubt we'll find at least one scum in the people who were deflecting from TheG all day. Maybe two, since I'm pretty confident Blarg is one of them.
 

Sawneeks

Banned
For tomorrow in case I do end up getting NKed.

I think we need to take a look at these 3:

this has been my view/problem with this entire day phase.
its my opinions that the people in the game dont know shit about the games balance until it is explicitly told to them,
making calls on what we think we know is just asking for mistakes with nothing to show for them.

anyway.

THE WHEEL HAS SPOKEN

vote: Lone_Prodigy


(please note the the wheel only included players i am not against lynching)
(side effects may vary)

Sawneeks will have something to share with town later.

Sorry if it feels like I'm putting you on the spot but I'll be going offline and I guess I'm being cautious.

Save TheGoddamn.

the Harkonnens

why

Splinter pointed it out, but Stan has been a non-presence this Day phase and then ends his vote with an RNG wheel after flip-flopping on TheG for the entire Phase. Someone not willing to bus a teammate?

CM for reasons I already stated above but also his actions on Day 1 and Day 2 which both felt very odd to me, like he was hiding something. Combined with our discussion in our Mason chat with how much CM wanted to push off claiming in order to appear less Scummy and to not attract any attention I feel CM is Scum and needs to be lynched. I also want to know how me claiming was supposed to save TheG, but I plan to ask that in the chat as well.

Blarg for being literally no help whatsoever this game. He typically has a plan when he plays Town and I have not seen any of that here at all, I've only seen him be a distraction and throw out whatever idea suits his fancy. Doesn't help most of his posts feel incredibly ostentatious and like they could be found on the back of a cereal box. They feel like nothing and are just there for attention, not for actual scum hunting purposes.
 
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