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Pokémon XY |OT3| How's That? Owned, Suckah!

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Tenck

Member
freoleo29 said:
I heard on a stream although its definitely unconfirmed that eggs are no longer able to be traded?
Nintendo blocking insta-check maybe?
Seems fair to me, although kind of sad i cant get eggs with my OT
Especially because i never used the insta-check and didn't plan on it :(
Although this is only speculation atm, if that's the case ignore this post!

EDIT: I'm assuming that's why the network is offline, again pure speculation i suppose.
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Wow that'd be so lame.
 
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Unicorn

Member
Hahahahahaha guess I'll hatch these Goomy eggs then...

Fuck. First pokemon game to prevent egg trading since Gold and Silver introduced breeding.
 
Fury Sense

Fury Sense

Member
I doubt it. It takes them almost 2 weeks to fix a game-breaking save glitch and only 5 days to block a shiny pokemon exploit?
Actually perfectly believable -_-
 
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freoleo29

Member
Guy's i'm assuming this is speculation don't lose hope yet,
Others on the stream are sayings its just maintenance and
possibly all of Nintendo network is down?

EDIT: Does no one feel that shiny value has decreased drastically which kind of takes the fun out of them?
For me it's not really fun going online or on streams and seeing teams of shinie's in like half the battles?
 
F

FSLink

Banned
freoleo29 said:
I heard on a stream although its definitely unconfirmed that eggs are no longer able to be traded?
Nintendo blocking insta-check maybe?
Seems fair to me, although kind of sad i cant get eggs with my OT
Especially because i never used the insta-check and didn't plan on it :(
Although this is only speculation atm, if that's the case ignore this post!

EDIT: I'm assuming that's why the network is offline, again pure speculation i suppose.
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Completely unconfirmed and baseless rumor from a stream chat.

Probably just normal maintenance.

v Seriously I wouldn't worry from a random rumor.
 
T

Tenck

Member
Gonna have to check it the second I can. Hope they don't patch out being able to trade eggs. That'd be really lame. It's just getting shiny pokemon :(
 
B

Busaiku

Member
Antiwhippy said:
You're pretty much sacrificing your life for another, so no reason why it shouldn't be successful. You can maneuver around destiny bond anyway.

Though that just brings in more mind games. I once made a dragonite keep doing dragon dance hoping to stall out destiny bond and I just killed him using shadow claw and shadow sneak without taking a single damage. :p
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Yeah but it took me like forever to get to the 30s again, and then out of nowhere, Duskoir outspeeds Mega Mawile and uses Destiny Knot.
It's not fair.
 
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ramyeon

Member
freoleo29 said:
EDIT: Does no one feel that shiny value has decreased drastically which kind of takes the fun out of them?
For me it's not really fun going online or on streams and seeing teams of shinie's in like half the battles?
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It has and it does. I have to agree tbh. Wouldn't bother me if they stopped people from being able to trade eggs.
 
A

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
So how does this sound as a defensive core? Chesnaught, gothielle and mega aggron?

Chesnaught and aggron with phasing moves and entry hazards. Gothielle to cover for their Sp def. They cover each other's weaknesses well except for fire, but I'll have a bulky water type to cover for that.
 
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ramyeon

Member
Aggrotek said:
It is no different than RNG exploitation in previous games. Shiny pokemon were easy to get through RNG.
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Never said it was any different :) and since I have no experience with RNG exploitation all I'm comparing it to is XY before the trick was found.

Shinies were cool to me because they were so hard to find. I've played pokemon since RBY and only had TWO shinies ever. That made them really appealing to me. And getting a competitively viable one? Even more amazing. Now everyone can get competitively viable shinies easily they definitely are less unique and appealing. That's all I'm saying.
 
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ramyeon

Member
Antiwhippy said:
I dunno, I see no point in making them rare for rareness sake in the first place.
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Isn't that like the whole appeal? To be quite honest most of the regular colourations look better than the shiny ones anyway. The point was that they were super unique breeds of pokemon like albino animals.
 
A

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
Problem is, for people who want them they are going to be breeding like crazy already anyway. What difference does 2 hours or 50 hours make other than the 48 hours between them being a really shitty grind?

Problem with breeding though is that while the feeling that after hours of breeding finally giving you the pokemon you want is fantastic, breeding itself is such a boring and unfunded mechanic.
 
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Boogiepop

Member
Oh course they're doing server maintenance when I decide to try to Wonder Trade. :(

I hope they're not blocking egg-trading! I never got around to using that to get myself a Japanese language Phantump and Pumkaboo!
 
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freoleo29

Member
Antiwhippy said:
Problem is, for people who want them they are going to be breeding like crazy already anyway. What difference does 2 hours or 50 hours make other than the 48 hours between them being a really shitty grind?
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The sense of fulfillment that you get when you get the shiny i suppose, it is what makes it all worth the grind.
 
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NEO0MJ

Member
ramyeon said:
Isn't that like the whole appeal? To be quite honest most of the regular colourations look better than the shiny ones anyway. The point was that they were super unique breeds of pokemon like albino animals.
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Yeah. People wouldn't give half a fuck to shinies if they weren't so rare. And yeah, most of the time the regular colors are much better.
 
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ramyeon

Member
Antiwhippy said:
Problem is, for people who want them they are going to be breeding like crazy already anyway. What difference does 2 hours or 50 hours make other than the 48 hours between them being a really shitty grind?
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Most people aren't going to do it if it takes that long. I want shinies, but there's no way I'll devote myself to MM or chaining or anything - just don't have the patience or time. But if it only takes a couple of hours at most to get competitively viable shinies then many, many more people are going to do it. And that's what we've seen in the past week or so.

That leads to saturation and loss of appeal. Instead of seeing the occasional shiny in someone's wifi team, there are people with entire teams of them now. It's just not as impressive anymore.
 
A

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
ramyeon said:
Most people aren't going to do it if it takes that long. I want shinies, but there's no way I'll devote myself to MM or chaining or anything - just don't have the patience or time. But if it only takes a couple of hours at most to get competitively viable shinies then many, many more people are going to do it. And that's what we've seen in the past week or so.
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So isn't that a good thing for you if you want a particular shiny?

I do think that it's cool that shinier are rare, but they've made the act of getting a competitively viable one too much of menial work which isn't fun at all.

To me a shiny is only appealing if the colours look nicer. Otherwise I guess I just don't really bother.
 
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ramyeon

Member
Antiwhippy said:
So isn't that a good thing for you if you want a particular shiny?
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Nope, like I said the appeal in the first place is that they're rare.

I was even excited when I got my totally unviable shiny Teddiursa.

Now that's worth nothing because people heaps of people have stuff like 5IV Protean Shiny Greninja. It's ridiculous.
 
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theprodigy

Member
ramyeon said:
Nope, like I said the appeal in the first place is that they're rare.

I was even excited when I got my totally unviable shiny Teddiursa.

Now that's worth nothing because people heaps of people have stuff like 5IV Protean Shiny Greninja. It's ridiculous.
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and so because you feel that the value has been lessened, the solution is to....take it away from everyone
 
A

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
ramyeon said:
Nope, like I said the appeal in the first place is that they're rare.

I was even excited when I got my totally unviable shiny Teddiursa.

Now that's worth nothing because people heaps of people have stuff like 5IV Protean Shiny Greninja. It's ridiculous.
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I guess that where our views diverge then. I don't really see the value in the rarity itself, but if that's the whole appeal for people I can see why they would want those tools removed.

Also, I guess I haven't really seen that many shinies either. All I've seen 1 or 2 shiny charizards and 1 shiny banette.
 
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ramyeon

Member
Antiwhippy said:
I guess that where our views diverge then. I don't really see the value in the rarity itself, but if that's the whole appeal for people I can see why they would want those tools removed.

Also, I guess I haven't really seen that many shinies either. All I've seen 1 or 2 shiny charizards and 1 shiny banette.
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I haven't seen any first hand since I'm not that active on battle spot atm. On the live streams I've watched I've seen people have full teams of them though which is overkill and ridiculous.

If shinies were introduced as simple alternate colourations it wouldn't matter if they were rare or common, but since they were introduced from the get go as ultra rare genetic mutations of pokemon that's always been the draw as far as I saw it.
 
K

Korosenai

Member
I've never gotten a shiny. At this point I don't even want one... I hope I never get one, ever.

Hopefully I just reverse jinxed myself
 
U

Unicorn

Member
Even with Instacheck, finding someone with a matching SV is still time consuming. I have had over 250 Goomy eggs and not a single person on GAF or IRL has matched any of the egg SVs
 
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Black-Wind

Member
ramyeon said:
Instead of seeing the occasional shiny in someone's wifi team, there are people with entire teams of them now. It's just not as impressive anymore.
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Well, in truth, if I had snatched up every Shiny I had encountered in the game by now I would have be able to make 3 full shiny teams (Ran from the first Togepi and ran from the 2nd Abra ... those shinys are WAY to subtle. Only got 16 now).

They made Shinys easier to come by in the this game and on TOP OF THAT they made FS Pokemon better for battle than most everyday Joe Wildmons.

I don't see the big deal. Shiny only has value if you're trading ... and I only hunt/ breed for shinys I want (which makes be feel soooo damn bad when people on tumblr beg for my kirlia or one of my 3 FS Mawile ... I'm not gonna trade shit, I put in too much effort to trip over my pretty shiny to trade it for you Fish or money or shiny Beldum, sorry :[ )

Unicorn said:
Even with Instacheck, finding someone with a matching SV is still time consuming. I have had over 250 Goomy eggs and not a single person on GAF or IRL has matched any of the egg SVs
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Gaf's pretty small.

I posted my SV on Reddit last night and had like 5 people ask me for a hatch.
 
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ramyeon

Member
Unicorn said:
Even with Instacheck, finding someone with a matching SV is still time consuming. I have had over 250 Goomy eggs and not a single person on GAF or IRL has matched any of the egg SVs
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Not with the combined Shiny Hatcher Community Database or whatever it's called.

Btw what are people doing with Excadrill EV and move set wise this gen? I have an Adamant one with Mold Breaker that I wanna start training up.
Black-Wind said:
Well, in truth, if I had snatched up every Shiny I had encountered in the game by now I would have be able to make 3 full shiny teams (Ran from the first Togepi and ran from the 2nd Abra ... those shinys are WAY to subtle. Only got 16 now).
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Those don't have 5 perfect IVs, correct natures and hidden abilities though, it's the fact that it's so easy to get perfect competitively viable pokemon.
 
T

Tenck

Member
ramyeon said:
Those don't have 5 perfect IVs, correct natures and hidden abilities though, it's the fact that it's so easy to get perfect competitively viable pokemon.
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Except it's not easy.

I had to go through 420 eggs to find three, and one had perfect IVs in everything I needed, which was a tedious task afterwards because I had to hatch them all.

Edit: And I've had to go through 90 Carbink eggs today that had no match.
 
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ramyeon

Member
Tenck said:
Except it's not easy.

I had to go through 420 eggs to find three, and one had perfect IVs in everything I needed, which was a tedious task afterwards because I had to hatch them all.
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Then you're doing it wrong :p there are people getting them in a couple of batches. Relying on GAF people alone to do it will take ages, of course. But their are combined communities all sharing spreadsheets out there.

ANYWAY, relax guys. I'm just giving my 2 cents on the issue and saying I don't care if they ban trading eggs or not.
 
T

Tenck

Member
ramyeon said:
Then you're doing it wrong :p there are people getting them in a couple of batches. Relying on GAF people alone to do it will take ages, of course. But their are combined communities all sharing spreadsheets out there.

ANYWAY, relax guys. I'm just giving my 2 cents on the issue and saying I don't care if they ban trading eggs or not.
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I didn't solely rely on Gaf. I had to go through Gaf, Nugget Bridge, Smogon, Pokecommunity, and Reddit. Was no fun.

And yeah I know you're just giving your opinion on the whole matter. I'm just saying some of us have awful luck.

*shakes fist*
 
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Firestorm

Member
Tenck said:
Except it's not easy.

I had to go through 420 eggs to find three, and one had perfect IVs in everything I needed, which was a tedious task afterwards because I had to hatch them all.

Edit: And I've had to go through 90 Carbink eggs today that had no match.
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If I cared about shinies and wanted 'em to be useful competitively I'd probably breed normally until I had flawless (as in 5x) for both parents, then check the eggs of those.
ramyeon said:
Nope, like I said the appeal in the first place is that they're rare.

I was even excited when I got my totally unviable shiny Teddiursa.

Now that's worth nothing because people heaps of people have stuff like 5IV Protean Shiny Greninja. It's ridiculous.
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Legitimate flawless shiny Teddiursa has been possible since 2009 or 2010. If you weren't bothered about it before you don't need to be bothered by it now tbh.
 
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ramyeon

Member
Tenck said:
I didn't solely rely on Gaf. I had to go through Gaf, Nugget Bridge, Smogon, Pokecommunity, and Reddit. Was no fun.

And yeah I know you're just giving your opinion on the whole matter. I'm just saying some of us have awful luck.

*shakes fist*
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Well, props to you for going through all that effort. I tried to Masuda once and I will never do that ever again. I'm okay with not having any shinies in the long run. If I ever find one I know it'll be amazing though lol.
theprodigy said:
why is this a bad thing
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I missed the word shiny in there.

Breaking my own rule of ignoring you, damn.
 
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Black-Wind

Member
ramyeon said:
Those don't have 5 perfect IVs, correct natures and hidden abilities though, it's the fact that it's so easy to get perfect competitively viable pokemon.
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Weeeeelllll the Togepi I finally hunted down has the Nature I wanted, The ability I wanted (could have just as easily been a HA cause it's from the FS) and 3 Ivs :p

lol, but really, I get what ya saying ... but they have made ALL sides easier to get. HA? Get your Pokemon's parents from the FS. IVs? FS and use THE KNOT (you can get flate out 4-5 iv Pokemon from there if you're lucky). Shiny? Apparently not only has MMing been buffed but so has nature encounter rates by a large amount..

People were getting the prefect shinys before we even started seeing SV, they made many parts easier to get.
 
T

Tenck

Member
Firestorm said:
If I cared about shinies and wanted 'em to be useful competitively I'd probably breed normally until I had flawless (as in 5x) for both parents, then check the eggs of those.
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Well I only had three matched Pokemon, which is what I meant. I had a plethora of perfectly bred Sableye, but the problem was matching them. The three that I was able to match had decent IVs, but only one had what I needed.

Both Sableye Parents shared the same 5IVs.
 
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Firestorm

Member
freoleo29 said:
I heard on a stream although its definitely unconfirmed that eggs are no longer able to be traded?
Nintendo blocking insta-check maybe?
Seems fair to me, although kind of sad i cant get eggs with my OT
Especially because i never used the insta-check and didn't plan on it :(
Although this is only speculation atm, if that's the case ignore this post!

EDIT: I'm assuming that's why the network is offline, again pure speculation i suppose.
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This is likely people misunderstanding that the "bad egg" that the one player had in his game from 4 weeks ago is untradeable. It wasn't received on Wonder Trade and cannot be traded.

freoleo29 said:
Guy's i'm assuming this is speculation don't lose hope yet,
Others on the stream are sayings its just maintenance and
possibly all of Nintendo network is down?

EDIT: Does no one feel that shiny value has decreased drastically which kind of takes the fun out of them?
For me it's not really fun going online or on streams and seeing teams of shinie's in like half the battles?
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It has been like this for the past 3 years. I'm just glad people finally understand that just because something is shiny doesn't mean it's hacked. The fact that people have ugly teams is unfortunate though.
 
T

Tenck

Member
HypnoDarkrai said:
Nintendo blocked trading eggs?
I was hoping for this.
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?

There's people who had legitimate problems that needed Egg trading. You're saying you're happy that some people got screwed over?

Like BoogiePop trying to aim for a living Japanese Pokedex, but needs Eggs of Pumkaboo, that has to be hatched or it evolves while trading.
 
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ramyeon

Member
Would investing 252 in HP and Att be good for Excadrill? Smogon's suggestions are ultra specialised and I don't think they're gonna beneficial for me in most battles.
 
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HypnoDarkrai

Member
Tenck said:
?

There's people who had legitimate problems that needed Egg trading. You're saying you're happy that some people got screwed over?

Like BoogiePop trying to aim for a living Japanese Pokedex, but needs Eggs of Pumkaboo, that has to be hatched or it evolves while trading.
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No just for the Instacheck, sorry BoogiePop :(
They probably didn't block it just updating their servers.
 
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backlot

Member
Tenck said:
?

There's people who had legitimate problems that needed Egg trading. You're saying you're happy that some people got screwed over?

Like BoogiePop trying to aim for a living Japanese Pokedex, but needs Eggs of Pumkaboo, that has to be hatched or it evolves while trading.
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It won't evolve if it's traded with an Everstone.
 
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freoleo29

Member
I'm seriously starting to doubt that they blocked trading eggs,
only because it blew up so much on the last page and i'm usually wrong at things :p


EDIT: apparently servers back up? anyone confirm this?
 
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